Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby commodorejohn » Tue May 15, 2018 5:02 pm UTC

Which reminds me, I really need to get around to reading The Painted Word one of these days.
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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby CorruptUser » Sun May 27, 2018 3:24 am UTC

Sean Alan Bean, one of the 12 astronauts to walk on the moon, dies.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby poxic » Sun May 27, 2018 3:27 am UTC

*halts tiny heart attack in progress*

Hard to feel sorry that someone lived to 86 and also got to walk on the fucking moon. Respect, sir.
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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby CorruptUser » Sun May 27, 2018 6:50 am UTC

I don't feel sorry for him. I just, well, all the astronauts are getting old and soon no living human will have ever set foot on anywhere but Earth.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby heuristically_alone » Sun May 27, 2018 2:49 pm UTC

Well maybe we'll start colonizing before that happens.
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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby CorruptUser » Sun May 27, 2018 4:37 pm UTC

They will likely die within a decade. We will likely not be on Mars/Moon in that time.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby Raidri » Mon May 28, 2018 11:27 am UTC

The original prognosis was for 2030, but we are currently below the 50% curve with four living moon men.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby ucim » Mon May 28, 2018 3:13 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:They will likely die within a decade. We will likely not be on Mars/Moon in that time.
Kennedy's moon speech was in 1962. We landed on the moon seven years later, in 1969, from a standing start using slide rules.

If we really wanted to, we could be there next year. We could build up a significant infrastructure inside of ten years. At this point it pretty much depends on three or four people, and their evaluation of the financial risks and rewards of doing so. But note that this time it wouldn't be a hazardous exploration at the boundary of science, technology, and the world, it would be a civilian joyride. The bar for acceptable risk is much higher, and that more than anything is what will probably hold us back.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby CorruptUser » Mon May 28, 2018 4:03 pm UTC

If the US offered the moon landing as a one-way trip, we would still have had enough volunteers...

And the US didn't start from scratch with Kennedy. NASA was created in 1958 by Eisenhower.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby ucim » Mon May 28, 2018 4:38 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:And the US didn't start from scratch with Kennedy. NASA was created in 1958 by Eisenhower.
Yes, and that came from NACA, and the V2 was already a thing... No, we didn't start in 1962 with just sticks and loincloths. But still, way back compared to where we are now.

CorruptUser wrote:If the US offered the moon landing as a one-way trip, we would still have had enough volunteers...
Volunteers isn't the limiting factor. The public would not stand for killing people in space on a commercial joyride they way they would accept the death of a brave explorer attempting to break through the limits of human exploration for all mankind.

Although maybe I'm wrong. Where's the outrage for robot car deaths? "Oops. We'll try harder next time...promise!"

We could do it in a year if we wanted to. Do we?

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby wumpus » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:21 pm UTC

Raidri wrote:The original prognosis was for 2030, but we are currently below the 50% curve with four living moon men.


Not much. Follow it up to "4 left" and you the 50 percentile is before 2020. The "5th percentile" is way down by 2015. So while it does look a bit below 50%, it isn't by much. Obviously we need to send more. Preferably me.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby poxic » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:40 pm UTC

I would be all for bouncing along for a stretch of moonwalking for sure. I would not be so much down for all the things required to get there and back. (NASA would probably reject me as a potential astronaut the moment I came within sight of them.)
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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby Thesh » Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:04 am UTC

I would be cool with a space elevator and spacecraft with artificial gravity.
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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:48 pm UTC

ucim wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:If the US offered the moon landing as a one-way trip, we would still have had enough volunteers...
Volunteers isn't the limiting factor. The public would not stand for killing people in space on a commercial joyride they way they would accept the death of a brave explorer attempting to break through the limits of human exploration for all mankind.

Although maybe I'm wrong. Where's the outrage for robot car deaths? "Oops. We'll try harder next time...promise!"

We could do it in a year if we wanted to. Do we?

Jose


I love the idea of it. I have no real problems with someone taking crazy risks or dying for space exploration. Provided that's what they want, of course. Volunteers? Cool, your choice, bud.

I think it could be pretty easily sold to the public. Particularly if it were merely very high risk, rather than straight up death. Folks are generally fairly accepting of others undergoing risk for their amusement.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby cphite » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:01 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:
ucim wrote:
CorruptUser wrote:If the US offered the moon landing as a one-way trip, we would still have had enough volunteers...
Volunteers isn't the limiting factor. The public would not stand for killing people in space on a commercial joyride they way they would accept the death of a brave explorer attempting to break through the limits of human exploration for all mankind.

Although maybe I'm wrong. Where's the outrage for robot car deaths? "Oops. We'll try harder next time...promise!"

We could do it in a year if we wanted to. Do we?

Jose


I love the idea of it. I have no real problems with someone taking crazy risks or dying for space exploration. Provided that's what they want, of course. Volunteers? Cool, your choice, bud.

I think it could be pretty easily sold to the public. Particularly if it were merely very high risk, rather than straight up death. Folks are generally fairly accepting of others undergoing risk for their amusement.


You would need some kind of tangible goal for it to really get public support. For example, we're sending these people to establish a base, and here are some things we'll be able to do as a result of having a base on the moon; and here are the reasons why those things are worth the money and effort and lives...

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby Soupspoon » Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:00 pm UTC

To take the fight to the Martians!

(Given I've just added to the critques of HG Wells in the Trump thread, it seems silly to complain that there's talk in here that should be better either in a given Science thread or the 65 Years comic thread, but, like, *hint hint*.)

'Bonus' obituraries, to re-rail things, are a queen's siater (which I might have posted/ETAed earlier, after making the Springfellow post, and the fashion designer you might have heard about yesterday. Neither very related to me or possibly normally that notable, but seemingly linked by being (independent) suicides. Maybe a blip, maybe not the best reason to now remember them (assuming that we otherwise wouldn't quite so much), but still veering back towards on-topic. (Though to be discussed further, if at all, in a different thread!)

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby Liri » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:25 pm UTC

There's a certain amount of freedom involved in cycling: you're self-propelled and decide exactly where to go. If you see something that catches your eye to the left, you can veer off there, which isn't so easy in a car, and you can't cover as much ground walking.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby heuristically_alone » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:00 pm UTC

I just saw this in the news. Interesting how some of the people best at making others happy have such a war going on inside themselves.
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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby CorruptUser » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:29 pm UTC

It's to be expected. The comedy is there to help them deal with or distract them from the pain. Because life is terrible, and laughter is how we deal with life. At least according to psychic Martian-Jesus.
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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby trpmb6 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:28 pm UTC

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/21/famous-g ... 6-7648488/

Hanabi-ko "Koko" died in her sleep Wednesday 6/20/2018 at the age of 46. Truly sad. I remember as a child being quite fascinated by her story.

I feel this is an appropriate place for this story - anybody who disagrees doesn't really understand the importance of Koko's impact on the world's view of primates and animals in general.
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