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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby ObsessoMom » Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:38 am UTC

Tony Hoagland, Poet with a Wry Outlook, is Dead at 64

He published this excellent essay last month:
The Cure for Racism Is Cancer

And his classic "Romantic Moment" back in 2007.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby DavidSh » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:17 pm UTC

If we are doing obits for robotic space probes, the asteroid probe Dawn has lost contact. Its last reaction wheel failed some time ago, and it is presumed to have now run out of hydrazine, and be unable to point its antenna at Earth. In an earlier blog post, JPL describe in heart-breaking detail what it has probably been going through.

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Postby Soupspoon » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:39 pm UTC

And now Super Mario, tangentially.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby Sizik » Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:50 pm UTC

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby natraj » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:09 pm UTC

oh no he won't have any more silly marvel cameos :( maybe they'll edit him in, i think he would appreciate keeping up the silliness legacy
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Postby Soupspoon » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:25 pm UTC

I heard about Stan Lee on the way back home, and wondered if he'd have been noted by the time I got here. On leaving home, earlier tonight, I had also heard about the voice of HAL9000, and here I am ensuring his being mentioned.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby EdgarJPublius » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:09 pm UTC

natraj wrote:oh no he won't have any more silly marvel cameos :( maybe they'll edit him in, i think he would appreciate keeping up the silliness legacy

I heard somewhere that they had filmed a bunch of cameos with him for future movies in consideration of this eventuality.
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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby ObsessoMom » Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:09 pm UTC

Inconceivable!

Butch Cassidy and Princess Bride scriptwriter William Goldman dies aged 87
Key member of 1970s New Hollywood generation won two Oscars for his screenplays

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Postby bbluewi » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:32 pm UTC

Stephen Hillenburg, creator of SpongeBob, at 57 from ALS.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby Soupspoon » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:40 am UTC

President Bush Sr

Wherever he was politically, for people, I think most would say he was very Presidential in his term of office, and since.

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Postby ijuin » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:31 pm UTC

Even though I disagreed with his policies (as much as someone who was a small child at the time could be said to do so), I do believe that none of the Presidents since him have matched his gravitas and dignitas.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby CorruptUser » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:39 am UTC

Soupspoon wrote:President Bush Sr

Wherever he was politically, for people, I think most would say he was very Presidential in his term of office, and since.


Mostly...

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Postby commodorejohn » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:16 am UTC

I mean, it says something that even throwing up on the prime minister of Japan seems dignified and presidential by current standards.
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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby eran_rathan » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:44 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:President Bush Sr

Wherever he was politically, for people, I think most would say he was very Presidential in his term of office, and since.


like throwing a whole generation of gay men under the bus by denying the AIDS epidemic...
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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby CorruptUser » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:20 am UTC

eran_rathan wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:President Bush Sr

Wherever he was politically, for people, I think most would say he was very Presidential in his term of office, and since.


like throwing a whole generation of gay men under the bus by denying the AIDS epidemic...


As opposed to throwing them into quarantine like he was supposed to?

We know now that HIV isn't exactly easy to transmit, but we didn't know it then. The SOP for "deadly, poorly detectable, incurable disease with unconfirmed vector of transmission" would've been to round up potential carriers into detention camps medical towns. Ignoring it was the right...ish answer for all the wrong reasons.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby ObsessoMom » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:56 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:We know now that HIV isn't exactly easy to transmit, but we didn't know it then.


Since a big part of the reason that "we didn't know it then" was that the Reagan and George H.W. Bush Administrations were more interested in funding abstinence-only sex ed than in funding scientific research to study a disease that was mostly killing gay men--because the evangelical base claimed that AIDS was divine retribution for sexual impurity--yeah, I'm gonna say that willful ignorance was not innocence.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby CorruptUser » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:24 am UTC

Not exactly.

Had Reagan/Bush actually cared about gay people dying, the Federal funding for research would've started two years sooner, "two" because it took two years before the first straight people started dropping like flies. This doesn't mean that all our discoveries would've been two years sooner, as there were a huge number of scientists that were involved already to say nothing of other countries' research teams, but in the sense that every person who suffered/died for every week that said apathy delayed the release of the newest HIV drugs, yes, Bush and Reagan did the equivalent of letting hundreds if not thousands die.

However, in the hypothetical world where Reagan and Bush weren't dicks and had provided the funds, the results would've been ugly. Even with the funds available for research, the correct initial response to the HIV crisis would've been a massive quarantine, one involving tens of thousands of people which is a logistical nightmare especially when the people themselves have reasons to not want to cooperate. In such a world, hindsight would still be 20/20 and we'd be complaining about the horrors of the detention camps, right or wrong, because it turns out that HIV isn't spread through, say, physical contact and the quarantine would have been the wrong decision given later information.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby Zohar » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:04 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:the correct initial response to the HIV crisis would've been a massive quarantine,


Citation needed. Like really the only alternative you can think of to letting people die is just to lock all the sick people up? How come this never came up once the federal government actually started working on it?
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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby Thesh » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:18 pm UTC

The government only looked for solutions that worked, not solutions that were correct.
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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby ObsessoMom » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:47 pm UTC

I agree with the many points made in this thoughtful essay.

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Re: Where Aren't They Now (Obituaries)

Postby addams » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:27 am UTC

ObsessoMom wrote:I agree with the many points made in this thoughtful essay.
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