elasto wrote: maybeagnostic wrote:
elasto wrote:That ignores the fact that many many right-wingers condemned Trump both during and after the primary process and were largely ignored.
But they were the "enemy" at that point.
But that's not simply ridiculous that's nonsensical.
So right-wing criticism of Trump was ignored because it came from the enemy, and they were the enemy because
they criticised Trump? By that logic, no valid criticism of Trump is even possible, no matter who the source. Jesus himself could ride into town raised aloft by the founding fathers and be ignored.
Yes. This exactly. In the Netherlands we have a man called Geert Wilders. You may have heard of him. Shout man with bad hair, and likes to use the same "alternative facts" that Trump uses. As with Trump, he gets big on the problems that genuinely do exist but he turns them in to something right from the apocalypse.
As with everything in Dutch politics, he doesn't get the powebase Trump got. In the Netherlands you're doing very well if you get 20% of the vote. And he's about to get that 20% in the next national election (March). I've seen other politicians go up against him for the past 10 years and there's been barely any success. The moment someone calls him out on his hypocrisy, his hate or his lies, he jumps in the victim role with his standard one liner:
"The entire country thinks this, you ignore me and naturally the entire elite and all the media are against me!"
He's had two court cases against him. In one case he was acquitted, in the other condemned (but no fine or other punishment).
In all cases, his loyal group of supporters have become as shouty as himself and whatever you tell them, they essentially think he is a god. He can't do anything wrong and everything that goes wrong is everyone else's fault.
In the Netherlands though, a 20% powebase won't do, you need to work with other parties and that will simply not happen here. If the next government can deal with the problems in such a way that shouty man with bad hair can't thrive on them, then he will disappear eventually
For the US, this is too late. Trump is in power because he thrived on exaggerating problems and the opposition wasn't lead by the right person. The way to deal with him now is by opposing him as much as possibly in as many things as possible. The bad news is that there is a large part of people who thinks he can't do anything wrong. The good part is that this group is not 50% and with the right person in (a bit less than) 4 years time, this can become less than 50% in more than 50% of the electoral college.
Until that time, you have to find a way to deal with his more destructive decisions by any means necessary (the republicans did that to Obama's plans so why not do the same thing in reverse). You can genuinely hope that the economy will fail in the next 4 years but that hope alone won't be enough.