Trump presidency

Seen something interesting in the news or on the intertubes? Discuss it here.

Moderators: Zamfir, Hawknc, Moderators General, Prelates

Mutex
Posts: 1044
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:32 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Mutex » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:14 pm UTC

Any chance of a transcript of the most interesting bits?

User avatar
CorruptUser
Posts: 8750
Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:12 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby CorruptUser » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:19 pm UTC

Could you post those questions in a form thast doesn't require me to download anything?

User avatar
orthogon
Posts: 2696
Joined: Thu May 17, 2012 7:52 am UTC
Location: The Airy 1830 ellipsoid

Re: Trump presidency

Postby orthogon » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:21 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:
Isaac Hill wrote:
ObsessoMom wrote:Possibly of interest: Photo of Trump staring directly at the sun.
Shouldn't (did) the Secret Service step in for something like this? Their job is to keep the President safe after all. If anyone else was about to damage the President's vision, the SS would get POTUS out of there.

Is it the Secret Service's job to protect the POTUS from himself? I don't know. I think he only glanced up at it for an instant at a time, didn't he? The human blink / avert reflex should be quick enough to prevent long term damage from that, so long as you don't force yourself to keep looking at it. I love how the internet has suddenly become so concerned with the orangutan-in-chief's eyesight.

Everyone has glanced at the sun briefly and got away with it. The point is that if you have millions of people looking directly at the eclipse, for a bit longer than is really sensible owing to the unusual rarity and beauty of the phenomenon, then some of them are going to come away with permanent damage, even if it's literally a one-in-a-million chance. That's presumably why the official advice is to look at a pinhole image or to use a proper eclipse viewer. The President should be following the official advice because, well, he's the fecking President. He should be setting the example, otherwise parents everywhere will have to find an answer to "but Mom, the President is doing it...". Not doing so is just a typical example of thinking he knows better than the experts, which is really irresponsible in matters of public health. After all, you'll probably be ok if you have unprotected sex with a stranger, drive at 100mph or skip your vaccinations, too.
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

User avatar
Soupspoon
You have done something you shouldn't. Or are about to.
Posts: 2489
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:00 pm UTC
Location: 53-1

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:31 pm UTC

(Unvaccinated 100mph stranger sex directly into the Sun FTW!)

User avatar
Sableagle
Ormurinn's Alt
Posts: 1201
Joined: Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:26 pm UTC
Location: The wrong side of the mirror
Contact:

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Sableagle » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:36 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:Any chance of a transcript of the most interesting bits?


Spoiler:
MT: "Yeah, they just fall straight back on it, don't they? The instant something happens: 'I'm black. That's it. That's why.' I'm voting for fucking Donald."
x1: " ... Duck?"
x2: "He was firing people at the weekend."
x3: "What do they actually think about him over there? Is he actually quite well-liked?"
x1: "33% at the last poll?"
MT: "Some in each direction."
x3: "Oh, is it?"
MT: "Yeah, they are. They either absolutely love him or they fucking hate him."
x1: "All the Nazis love him, and all the like Black, Jews, Muslims, gays, lesbians, transgender people, environmentalists, socialists hate him."
x2: "he's actually got quite a lot of ..."
MT: "He's got a lot. It's not Nazis. A lot of the Republicans follow him. I've got a lot of Republican friends there and they think he's great."
x1: "... and all the Nazis love him."
x2: "Well yeah, but you get extreme leftists as well."
MT: "Who commits most of the crime in the United States? Are they white or black? Where are most of the shootings? They're black, black-on-black. So what people should you annihilate to make the country better? All the black people. It just stands to reason."
x1: "You're in favour of genocide, then?"
MT: "Yeah."
x3: "At least we know where we stand."
MT: "That's it. ... happy if they were Muslims. Wars and everything's over. Nuke the fuckers. Turn the whole Middle East to glass and just send people in suits in to get the oil."
x4: "Do wasps as well at the same time."
MT: "Do wasps. You gotta do wasps. Be careful saying that in here, though, because there's a lot of ginger people around."
x5: "But mine's accidental."
MT: "That sort of makes it worse somehow, Liz. You're accidentally ginger, luv."
Oh, Willie McBride, it was all done in vain.

ObsessoMom
Nespresso Bomb
Posts: 506
Joined: Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:28 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby ObsessoMom » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:39 pm UTC

I propose moving the discussion of race to Serious Business. Anyone second the motion?

Mutex
Posts: 1044
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:32 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Mutex » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:40 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:
Mutex wrote:Any chance of a transcript of the most interesting bits?


Spoiler:
MT: "Yeah, they just fall straight back on it, don't they? The instant something happens: 'I'm black. That's it. That's why.' I'm voting for fucking Donald."
x1: " ... Duck?"
x2: "He was firing people at the weekend."
x3: "What do they actually think about him over there? Is he actually quite well-liked?"
x1: "33% at the last poll?"
MT: "Some in each direction."
x3: "Oh, is it?"
MT: "Yeah, they are. They either absolutely love him or they fucking hate him."
x1: "All the Nazis love him, and all the like Black, Jews, Muslims, gays, lesbians, transgender people, environmentalists, socialists hate him."
x2: "he's actually got quite a lot of ..."
MT: "He's got a lot. It's not Nazis. A lot of the Republicans follow him. I've got a lot of Republican friends there and they think he's great."
x1: "... and all the Nazis love him."
x2: "Well yeah, but you get extreme leftists as well."
MT: "Who commits most of the crime in the United States? Are they white or black? Where are most of the shootings? They're black, black-on-black. So what people should you annihilate to make the country better? All the black people. It just stands to reason."
x1: "You're in favour of genocide, then?"
MT: "Yeah."
x3: "At least we know where we stand."
MT: "That's it. ... happy if they were Muslims. Wars and everything's over. Nuke the fuckers. Turn the whole Middle East to glass and just send people in suits in to get the oil."
x4: "Do wasps as well at the same time."
MT: "Do wasps. You gotta do wasps. Be careful saying that in here, though, because there's a lot of ginger people around."
x5: "But mine's accidental."
MT: "That sort of makes it worse somehow, Liz. You're accidentally ginger, luv."

Thanks for the transcript. I... I have nothing to add, though.

ObsessoMom
Nespresso Bomb
Posts: 506
Joined: Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:28 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby ObsessoMom » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:46 pm UTC

New Serious Business thread to discuss race:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=123384

User avatar
orthogon
Posts: 2696
Joined: Thu May 17, 2012 7:52 am UTC
Location: The Airy 1830 ellipsoid

Re: Trump presidency

Postby orthogon » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:04 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:(Unvaccinated 100mph stranger sex directly into the Sun FTW!)

Just remember to wear your seatbelt. (Not for safety, but because it's kinky).
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

cphite
Posts: 1155
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:27 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby cphite » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:41 pm UTC

Liri wrote:It is indeed their job to protect the POTUS from himself.


Yeah, but there isn't a whole lot they're reasonably going to do in this case more than say "Hey, dumbass... stop looking at the sun."

And the danger during a partial solar eclipse comes from your pupils dilating because it's much darker, but there's plenty of light still coming in to damage your eyes.


I've heard people who ought to know (doctors, science types) over the past few weeks say various things including:
1. It doesn't matter if it's an eclipse at all; don't look at the sun because it's the sun.
2. The eclipse makes the sun dimmer, so you'll look at it longer. Don't look at the sun.
3. It only matters during near 100% eclipse, because while it looks "dark" there is actually a ton of light energy and your pupils don't dilate as they normally would; don't look at the sun.

I don't know which of these or any others is accurate but the general theme seems to be don't look at the sun. That should be obvious but then again we had to convince some jackass in the building NOT to use frikkin' binoculars so it's probably good that they put out the warnings...

ObsessoMom
Nespresso Bomb
Posts: 506
Joined: Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:28 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby ObsessoMom » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:59 pm UTC

Fortunately, I've NEVER hurt myself while doing something I knew was stupid. NEVER. Oh, except for that time... and that other time... Oh, um, never mind.

Mutex
Posts: 1044
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:32 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Mutex » Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:59 pm UTC

cphite wrote:3. It only matters during near 100% eclipse, because while it looks "dark" there is actually a ton of light energy and your pupils don't dilate as they normally would; don't look at the sun.

Light energy being non-visible light energy? Like IR and UV?

cphite
Posts: 1155
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:27 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby cphite » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:06 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:
cphite wrote:3. It only matters during near 100% eclipse, because while it looks "dark" there is actually a ton of light energy and your pupils don't dilate as they normally would; don't look at the sun.

Light energy being non-visible light energy? Like IR and UV?


That would be my guess, they didn't elaborate.

I would think that if the moon is blocking the visible spectrum then it's also blocking the non-visible spectrum as well, but I'm no scientist.

But again, regardless of the details the general consensus is don't look at the sun ;)

User avatar
LaserGuy
Posts: 4384
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:33 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby LaserGuy » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:36 pm UTC

cphite wrote:I would think that if the moon is blocking the visible spectrum then it's also blocking the non-visible spectrum as well, but I'm no scientist.

But again, regardless of the details the general consensus is don't look at the sun ;)


spoiler for eclipse OT:
Spoiler:
It basically has to do with the sensitivity of your retina to UV/IR light. If something is too bright in the visible spectrum, then you have a natural reflex to look away, which protects your eyes to damage. Your eyes aren't sensitive to the UV/IR at all, so you can look at sources of those kinds of light for as long as you want if there isn't much visible there... but IR/UV can still damage your eye, even if you can't see it. Typical eclipse glasses are OD 5, meaning that they reduce the intensity of light you're looking at by a factor of 100000. The good ones will block out UV/IR almost entirely. For a partial eclipse, that's pretty much what you need for safe viewing. Supposedly during totality where the moon completely obscures the sun, the intensity is low enough to safely look at with the naked eye for short periods of time, but that window is only about 5 minutes long.

Mutex
Posts: 1044
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:32 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Mutex » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:59 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:
cphite wrote:I would think that if the moon is blocking the visible spectrum then it's also blocking the non-visible spectrum as well, but I'm no scientist.

But again, regardless of the details the general consensus is don't look at the sun ;)


spoiler for eclipse OT:
Spoiler:
It basically has to do with the sensitivity of your retina to UV/IR light. If something is too bright in the visible spectrum, then you have a natural reflex to look away, which protects your eyes to damage. Your eyes aren't sensitive to the UV/IR at all, so you can look at sources of those kinds of light for as long as you want if there isn't much visible there... but IR/UV can still damage your eye, even if you can't see it. Typical eclipse glasses are OD 5, meaning that they reduce the intensity of light you're looking at by a factor of 100000. The good ones will block out UV/IR almost entirely. For a partial eclipse, that's pretty much what you need for safe viewing. Supposedly during totality where the moon completely obscures the sun, the intensity is low enough to safely look at with the naked eye for short periods of time, but that window is only about 5 minutes long.

Spoiler:
But how come the intensity of the IR/UV isn't reduced in correlation with visible light during an eclipse?

User avatar
LaserGuy
Posts: 4384
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:33 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby LaserGuy » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:14 pm UTC

re: Eclipse

Spoiler:
It does get reduced in proportion, more or less. But the threshold intensity to damaging your eye from the UV/IR is much lower than the visible. For example, say the sun normally produces 5000 units of yellow light and 1000 units of UV. Your eye can tolerate 1 unit of UV without taking damage, and you will reflexively look away from 500 units of yellow. The eclipse blocks 99% of the light, reducing the intensity of yellow to 50 units, which you can look at comfortably, but reduces the intensity of UV to 10 units, which is still well above the damage threshold for your eye.

User avatar
Soupspoon
You have done something you shouldn't. Or are about to.
Posts: 2489
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:00 pm UTC
Location: 53-1

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:18 pm UTC

(Unspoiled)
If you could only see in green light, you could use (dark-looking) red lenses to reduce your personal visible light, without any sign that a bright red light would shine straight through. You'd have to actively measure various filtering substances for their ability to block red light, if you wanted something that did protect you from that, and it wouldn't be obvious whether it did or did not unless you did the measurements or trusted the certification that it did from the person providing them.

Dark glasses are (necessarily) dark only to our own perceptions. And that might be sufficient under some circumstances, but you can't assume that what you still can't see can't harm you.

(And then there's proportions of light, as ninjaed, but I think the problem is unseen frequency transmission, at least as much.)

speising
Posts: 2070
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:54 pm UTC
Location: wien

Re: Trump presidency

Postby speising » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:30 pm UTC

Might it matter that the corona isn't cool at all, but instead millions of kelvin hot? That should mean relatively more high energy radiation from that portion than from the whole of the sun.

KnightExemplar
Posts: 5489
Joined: Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:58 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby KnightExemplar » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:00 pm UTC

speising wrote:Might it matter that the corona isn't cool at all, but instead millions of kelvin hot? That should mean relatively more high energy radiation from that portion than from the whole of the sun.


I've made an "Eclipse" thread over in general btw and made a response to this post over there: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=123386&p=4235393#p4235393

As amusing as Mr. Trump ruining his old eyes is... I'm not sure if its too relevant politically.

-----------

For a more political event that is going on... it looks like the President isn't planning to pardon Joe Arpaio.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... ar-AAqyCoY

So maybe Trump really is pivoting away from "Bannon"? Hard to say for sure, the statement is a bit ambiguous on whether or not Arpaio is still up for a pardoning, or if Trump is just delaying things due to recent political chaos with regards to Charlottesville.
First Strike +1/+1 and Indestructible.

User avatar
MartianInvader
Posts: 773
Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:51 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby MartianInvader » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:40 pm UTC

At this point, when someone in the Whitehouse says Trump won't do a thing, I don't know how much I trust it. I don't think we can be sure whether he'll pardon anyone or not in Arizona until he's left the state.
Let's have a fervent argument, mostly over semantics, where we all claim the burden of proof is on the other side!

User avatar
sardia
Posts: 5813
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:39 am UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:56 pm UTC

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/22/media/b ... index.html
Breitbart private emails revealed when a prankster pretended to be Steve Bannon.
"Reading online about how i'll be bringing forth my wrath on Ivanka and Jared," read an email sent Sunday from the fake Bannon account to Marlow. "I'd be doing this great nation a service if I did."

"I spooked em today," replied Marlow. "Did five stories on globalist takeover positioning you as only hope to stop it."

"You need to own that, just have surrogates do the dirty work. Boyle, Raheem, me, Tony have been waiting for this," Marlow added, referring to Washington editor Matthew Boyle, Breitbart London Editor-in-Chief Raheem Kassam, and reporter Tony Lee. A fake Bannon sent multiple emails with Breitbart editor-in-chief Alex Marlow, including one where he mulled over “bringing forth my wrath on Ivanka and Jared.”

“I’d be doing this great nation a service if I did,” fake-Bannon wrote.

In his reply Marlow promised Bannon he “spooked em today,” explaining his staff “did five stories on globalist takeover positioning you as only hope to stop it.” Marlow also suggested he could have Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and daughter-in-law Ivanka Trump out of the White House by years end, and told the fake-Bannon the “best conspiracy on the whole internet is Jared is an actual cuckhold.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/pranks ... ng-rumors/
So pretty much they are gonna go after Trump's family by calling Jarod a cuck.

User avatar
Angua
Don't call her Delphine.
Posts: 5653
Joined: Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:42 pm UTC
Location: UK/[St. Kitts and] Nevis Occasionally, I migrate to the US for a bit

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Angua » Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:40 am UTC

'Look, sir, I know Angua. She's not the useless type. She doesn't stand there and scream helplessly. She makes other people do that.'
GNU Terry Pratchett

User avatar
Grop
Posts: 1849
Joined: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:36 am UTC
Location: France

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Grop » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:40 am UTC

And then the point of a wall is to be obstructionist.

User avatar
Liri
Healthy non-floating pooper reporting for doodie.
Posts: 927
Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:11 pm UTC
Contact:

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Liri » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:30 pm UTC


His ongoing Minute's Hate directed at the press pen during his endless campaign rallies is one of the spookiest parts. I wonder how calculated it really is or not. It's having an effect though. I'm way more terrified of some of my fellow citizens than I am of Trump. And seeing kids there. That's also really scary.

Let's say in two years, his approval rating is in the low-20s with a Democratic House and Senate (not a supermajority). Impeachment proceedings begin. Is he going to: resign like Nixon, go on a popularity campaign like Clinton, or attempt to raise his popularity with the same antagonistic rallies he's giving now? I think #2 is out of the question. There are other options of course.
He wondered could you eat the mushrooms, would you die, do you care.

User avatar
sardia
Posts: 5813
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:39 am UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:36 pm UTC

Liri wrote:

His ongoing Minute's Hate directed at the press pen during his endless campaign rallies is one of the spookiest parts. I wonder how calculated it really is or not. It's having an effect though. I'm way more terrified of some of my fellow citizens than I am of Trump. And seeing kids there. That's also really scary.

Let's say in two years, his approval rating is in the low-20s with a Democratic House and Senate (not a supermajority). Impeachment proceedings begin. Is he going to: resign like Nixon, go on a popularity campaign like Clinton, or attempt to raise his popularity with the same antagonistic rallies he's giving now? I think #2 is out of the question. There are other options of course.

Current approval polls and current congressional generic ballot races show Democrats on track to gain the house and lose a few seats in the Senate. That's the optimistic Outlook. Your prediction only works if Trump causes linear losses in both approval and congressional ballots, and not diminishing returns. For example, no matter how awful Trump is, no skinhead is going to vote green party or Democrats. Trumps already lost most of the easily or somewhat offended voters. It's going to take more and more terrible things to make Trump lose more voters. Like he hosts a lynching party, in person, while getting caught on tape selling secrets to the Russians. That'll cost him the "praying for tax cut"vote.

More overt Nazi events will cost him the Confederate vote. It's ok to be pro Confederacy. Nazis cross almost everyone's red lines.
Note: remember how everyone says politicians are immoral scumbags? Turns out the American people are worst than them. While a politician would decry and run from Trump when he spouts hateful remarks, it's the voters who force politicians to come crawling back. That's really messed up.*
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/co ... id=rrpromo
*Polling indicates that voters are more supportive of Trump than politicians are in Congress.

User avatar
Liri
Healthy non-floating pooper reporting for doodie.
Posts: 927
Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:11 pm UTC
Contact:

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Liri » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:01 pm UTC

Yeah, my hypothetical was taking those majorities for granted (which I know they aren't) just to ask about the question I posed.
He wondered could you eat the mushrooms, would you die, do you care.

KnightExemplar
Posts: 5489
Joined: Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:58 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby KnightExemplar » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:47 pm UTC

MartianInvader wrote:At this point, when someone in the Whitehouse says Trump won't do a thing, I don't know how much I trust it. I don't think we can be sure whether he'll pardon anyone or not in Arizona until he's left the state.


Looks like he "doesn't want to cause controversy", but sounds like Trump is still planning on pardoning him. Ah well, there goes that hope.
First Strike +1/+1 and Indestructible.

User avatar
Yablo
Posts: 383
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:57 am UTC
Location: Juneau, Alaska

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Yablo » Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:45 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:
MartianInvader wrote:At this point, when someone in the Whitehouse says Trump won't do a thing, I don't know how much I trust it. I don't think we can be sure whether he'll pardon anyone or not in Arizona until he's left the state.


Looks like he "doesn't want to cause controversy", but sounds like Trump is still planning on pardoning him. Ah well, there goes that hope.

I would think it would be in Trump's best interest not to pardon him until after the appeal. If the appeal is successful, the same result is achieved, only without the backlash from the left.
If you like Call of Cthulhu and modern government conspiracy, check out my Delta Green thread.
Please feel free to ask questions or leave comments.

User avatar
Thesh
Made to Fuck Dinosaurs
Posts: 5497
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:55 am UTC
Location: Colorado

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Thesh » Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:49 pm UTC

Trump doesn't give a shit about Arpaio. Pardoning him is only about getting adulation from white supremacists.
Honesty replaced by greed, they gave us the reason to fight and bleed
They try to torch our faith and hope, spit at our presence and detest our goals

User avatar
Zamfir
I built a novelty castle, the irony was lost on some.
Posts: 7303
Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:43 pm UTC
Location: Nederland

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Zamfir » Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:56 pm UTC

Yablo wrote:
Looks like he "doesn't want to cause controversy", but sounds like Trump is still planning on pardoning him. Ah well, there goes that hope.

I would think it would be in Trump's best interest not to pardon him until after the appeal. If the appeal is successful, the same result is achieved, only without the backlash from the left.

If the result is achieved without Trump's name on it and without backlash from the left, then what was in it for Trump?

User avatar
CorruptUser
Posts: 8750
Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:12 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby CorruptUser » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:09 pm UTC

Zamfir wrote:
Yablo wrote:
Looks like he "doesn't want to cause controversy", but sounds like Trump is still planning on pardoning him. Ah well, there goes that hope.

I would think it would be in Trump's best interest not to pardon him until after the appeal. If the appeal is successful, the same result is achieved, only without the backlash from the left.

If the result is achieved without Trump's name on it and without backlash from the left, then what was in it for Trump?


Trump gains a supporter without wasting political capital, and can focus on the important things like repealing the obamawall and making Mexico pay for healthcare.

User avatar
Yablo
Posts: 383
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:57 am UTC
Location: Juneau, Alaska

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Yablo » Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:20 am UTC

Thesh wrote:Trump doesn't give a shit about Arpaio. Pardoning him is only about getting adulation from white supremacists.

I would agree he doesn't care about Arpaio, but Trump isn't a racist, and he's condemned not only white supremacists, but hate groups in all forms.
If you like Call of Cthulhu and modern government conspiracy, check out my Delta Green thread.
Please feel free to ask questions or leave comments.

User avatar
sardia
Posts: 5813
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:39 am UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:26 am UTC

Yablo wrote:
Thesh wrote:Trump doesn't give a shit about Arpaio. Pardoning him is only about getting adulation from white supremacists.

I would agree he doesn't care about Arpaio, but Trump isn't a racist, and he's condemned not only white supremacists, but hate groups in all forms.

Trump's racism is defined by his insistence that Nazis and white supremacists are equal to liberal protestors. We just got lucky that Nazis are a line too far. Implicit white supremacy is still ok. Trump just shocked Republicans by being overt about it.

iamspen
Posts: 442
Joined: Tue May 01, 2012 2:23 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby iamspen » Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:35 am UTC

Yablo wrote:I would agree he doesn't care about Arpaio, but Trump isn't a racist, and he's condemned not only white supremacists, but hate groups in all forms.


Right, he only caters to racists. There's DEFINITELY an appreciable difference there.

(For the record, when he "condemned" white supremacists, he did so all the tone, body language, and eye-rolling of a five-year-old being forced to apologize.)

User avatar
ivnja
The spirit of things can bugger right off.
Posts: 785
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:30 am UTC
Location: 19T402550 4830720 (NAD 83)

Re: Trump presidency

Postby ivnja » Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:22 am UTC

Hi you.
She(?!)

User avatar
eran_rathan
Mostly Wrong
Posts: 1698
Joined: Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:36 pm UTC
Location: disoriented

Re: Trump presidency

Postby eran_rathan » Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:32 am UTC

Gorka is out, like the rest of the rats fleeing a sinking ship.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/u ... house.html
"Trying to build a proper foundation for knowledge is blippery."
"Squirrels are crazy enough to be test pilots."
"Google tells me you are not unique. You are, however, wrong."
nɒʜƚɒɿ_nɒɿɘ

User avatar
CorruptUser
Posts: 8750
Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:12 pm UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby CorruptUser » Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:55 am UTC

Trump is so lonely in the White House now. He must be in desperate need of a hug.

User avatar
Liri
Healthy non-floating pooper reporting for doodie.
Posts: 927
Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:11 pm UTC
Contact:

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Liri » Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:21 pm UTC

eran_rathan wrote:Gorka is out, like the rest of the rats fleeing a sinking ship.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/u ... house.html

The WH made a point of saying that he didn't resign.
He wondered could you eat the mushrooms, would you die, do you care.

User avatar
sardia
Posts: 5813
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:39 am UTC

Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:34 pm UTC

Liri wrote:
eran_rathan wrote:Gorka is out, like the rest of the rats fleeing a sinking ship.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/u ... house.html

The WH made a point of saying that he didn't resign.

I'm not sure if that's shining a turd, or if this is their version of a compromise. Like he still works for Trump, but at home or something. Aka no longer works at the White House literally.

User avatar
Thesh
Made to Fuck Dinosaurs
Posts: 5497
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:55 am UTC
Location: Colorado

Re: Trump presidency

Postby Thesh » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:48 pm UTC

Yablo wrote:
Thesh wrote:Trump doesn't give a shit about Arpaio. Pardoning him is only about getting adulation from white supremacists.

I would agree he doesn't care about Arpaio, but Trump isn't a racist, and he's condemned not only white supremacists, but hate groups in all forms.


Uhh... No. Trump is a racist; he ran exclusively on authoritarian racism. He did everything he could to try and prevent himself from calling out white supremacists, and his campaign promise was to ignore police brutality against blacks and focus on going after left-wing groups. This is a continuation of that - a message to law enforcement that says the President will protect them from the courts as long as they are breaking the law in a way that targets minorities.

There is absolutely nothing about Trump's actions here that aren't deliberately about appealing to his white supremacist base.
Honesty replaced by greed, they gave us the reason to fight and bleed
They try to torch our faith and hope, spit at our presence and detest our goals


Return to “News & Articles”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 21 guests