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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:51 pm UTC

What's the difference between me not handing over my Facebook/Twitter/whatever password because I don't have one and me not handing it over because I say that I don't have one.

This is going to be even more unworkable than any number of the other problematic policies. Or cause far more collateral disruption to people.

(And if I had an account @MinorInconveniencesToThePresident, in which I was careful enough not to self-identify too much already, what's to stop antisocial!me having a @TrumpIsDefinitelyNotALizard set up (with a few token niceties in its timeline and 'acceptable' voices in the list of who it is following) just so I could 'willingly' offer up that login, whilst asocial!me is busy justifying why he doesn't even see the point of Tweets to the stern looking man with the latex gloves in his pocket.)
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:53 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:What's the difference between me not handing over my Facebook/Twitter/whatever password because I don't have one and me not handing it over because I say that I don't have one.

This is going to be even more unworkable than any number of the other problematic policies. Or cause far more collateral disruption to people.

They depends if you hand over your phone that has links to social networks.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby HES » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:55 pm UTC

So delete apps before you travel to the US.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:06 pm UTC

HES wrote:So delete apps before you travel to the US.

You'd be a terrible shadowrunner. =P
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Thesh » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:07 pm UTC

It seems like it would be cheaper to just not bring your phone and buy a burner when you get here.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:20 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:It seems like it would be cheaper to just not bring your phone and buy a burner when you get here.

Yea, that's implied, but there are issues where you can't be disconnected between customs border crossings

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:24 pm UTC

The Twitter app came pre-installed on my main device. Don't know if, like Deezer or Google Play Newsstand, it can't even be uninstalled (having never been used), merely rolled back to then continually pester me as an App that needs updating...

Actually, looks like I also have Google+ on it (may or may not be uninstallable), which may be tied to the account I created for the use of just that tablet. An account whose password I couldn't remember if I tried (Gmail is set up for Google Play review replies, if I make any app reviews and the developer bothers to respond, but that's all saved to that device and there's nothing more I've done with it)... And, all kinds of other little details just means that it's an arms race between me denying that there's anything I can or should be telling them and them picking up incidental points of no actual significance, but which the more suspicious (or deliberately obstructive) officials could seize upon as reasons to doubt my sincerity.


Not that I expect all Border Control officers/whoever to know more about the ins and outs of my devices than me,. Although seeing dozens of models set up in hundreds/thousands of different ways would be a definite crash-course in that subset of IT, by the time they came round to me and my (uncharacteristic) "I just play with the thing" and (characteristic) "it's set up just the way I like it, that's why that bit looks odd to you" attitudes. Goodness knows whether I'd be left gambling with the current/habitual mood of the random guy they shoved in a uniform due to the increased workloads they just gave to their staff.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Thesh » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:26 pm UTC

Good point about needing a phone in the terminals, although they do have pay phones.

Soupspoon wrote:The Twitter app came pre-installed on my main device. Don't know if, like Deezer or Google Play Newsstand, it can't even be uninstalled (having never been used), merely rolled back to then continually pester me as an App that needs updating...


Usually, you need to root the phone if you want to remove pre-installed apps.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Zohar » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:33 pm UTC

I've seen multiple articles from people saying you should never bring your usual phone on planes anymore. Either have another phone for trips abroad, or back things up on the cloud, wipe it, and reinstall when you get to your destination.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Liri » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:36 pm UTC

Is that just a travelling to/from the US thing or more general?
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Thesh » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:43 pm UTC

That's for those traveling into the US for now. EU has strong privacy laws, but given the UK's recent legislative history I suspect they will soon adopt the US position.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Liri » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:46 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:That's for those traveling into the US for now. EU has strong privacy laws, but given the UK's recent legislative history I suspect they will soon adopt the US position.

Right, yeah. I should have directly quoted Zohar - I was wondering about that advice tidbit.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Thesh » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:53 pm UTC

Yeah, I know, I was answering anyway - it's not the planes themselves, it's the laws of where you travel. The TSA is not allowed to search your phone when traveling domestically, but they can when you travel abroad (which they have been able to for a while). The EU isn't a problem because of their laws, but in the US there is a push for increased scrutiny of foreign travelers.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:56 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:Usually, you need to root the phone if you want to remove pre-installed apps.

So I suspect. That one's just my "main device" because it is my 4G Hotspot for my Wifi-only everyday (but ancient) tablet with the serious stuff on it, anyway, which has gained a few additional apps just so that I can play Hill Climb Racing on it while I'm doing other things on the other. In a plane, I wouldn't be able to use 4G, may or may not have wifi.

The 4G device doesn't get used as a phone. I have a phone, for use as a phone, with an inch-square screen above some very worn buttons, but I'm not even sure it's a tri-band one, I'd have to check. And if I found myself talking to US Customs about all these devices, I'd be surprised, as I've no plans to go much further than the other side of the Pennines over the next few months, never mind Atlantic. But it's still a mess of a directive, even if it doesn't give me any more trouble than the RSI I'll get for typing this sort of thing out.

(And as to UK future privacy attitudes, the border between Yorkshire and Lancashire isn't quite as policed as some would have you believe. Mostly the Lancastrians... ;))

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Zohar » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:10 pm UTC

Liri wrote:Is that just a travelling to/from the US thing or more general?

The articles were written with US's TSA in mind, but assuming these regulations would spread quickly to other countries as well.

Edit: I think this was the first article I read regarding this.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:11 pm UTC

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/s ... ing-236884
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby freezeblade » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:40 pm UTC

Trump removes Bannon from National Security Council
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-removes-bannon-national-security-council-155820775--politics.html

IMHO, a step in the right direction, although I wonder what storm is coming that he needed to get out of the way of?
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Zohar » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:03 pm UTC

Eh, he's still around the white house. Yes it's good he's out of the NSC in an official capacity, but I don't see mention of adding more professionals (instead of politicians) to it yet, either.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Diemo » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:22 pm UTC

Apparently the heads of the NRC or whatever are back on it as well
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Koa » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:46 pm UTC

Supposedly Bannon still has the security clearance and is still attending NSC meetings. It could be a preemptive move regarding the investigations or it could be some really weird internal sparring. A little ominous.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Lazar » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:17 pm UTC

According to WH sources, Bannon has been openly feuding with Kushner and has referred to him as a "cuck"(!), "globalist" and fifth columnist. I wonder if he's on his way out.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Liri » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:37 pm UTC

Lazar wrote:According to WH sources, Bannon has been openly feuding with Kushner and has referred to him as a "cuck"(!), "globalist" and fifth columnist. I wonder if he's on his way out.

Calling Trump's son-in-law a "cuck" can't possibly backfire.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby MartianInvader » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:05 pm UTC

Looks like the administration is demanding that Twitter turn over information on anonymous, anti-Trump accounts:

http://www.businessinsider.com/twitter- ... unt-2017-4

This is the kind of thing that really scares me. Hopefully the courts will swat it down - who knows how many of these demands are being made behind closed doors.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:13 pm UTC

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... mp-thinks/
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby SlyReaper » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:58 pm UTC

Well, he bombed Syria.

Perhaps the most infuriating thing about it is that one of his few redeeming qualities during the election (besides being a glorious fuck-you to the Dems) was that he didn't seem as hawkish about Syria as Clinton was. He was less likely to stir shit up in the region. Well fuck.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Thesh » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:14 pm UTC

Honestly, that's pretty much the standard "We need to do something, but we don't want to commit to anything serious" talk.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Mutex » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:46 pm UTC

Russia's response seems to basically be condemning it without doing much too. It's like they realised it was just a token reaction to the chemical weapons attack.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:00 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:a token reaction to the chemical weapons attack.

Some might say this is an issue, but I don't suppose it's the most awful thing, currently.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby freezeblade » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:37 pm UTC

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/the-us-warned-the-russians-ahead-of-syria-missile-strikes-official.html

Well, truly is a tolken responce, seeing as how Russia was warned not to be there, who likely warned Assad forces as well. So we sent nearly 60 expensive missiles to a likely unmanned and empty airfield.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby elasto » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:01 pm UTC

Given how Russia seem to be kicking up a stink about this, talking about US-Russia relations falling to a new low etc... is it incredibly cynical of me to wonder if this is all smoke and mirrors thought up by Putin and Trump to pretend they aren't all loved up..?

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Liri » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:37 pm UTC

elasto wrote:Given how Russia seem to be kicking up a stink about this, talking about US-Russia relations falling to a new low etc... is it incredibly cynical of me to wonder if this is all smoke and mirrors thought up by Putin and Trump to pretend they aren't all loved up..?

It's not that cynical.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby WibblyWobbly » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:40 pm UTC

elasto wrote:Given how Russia seem to be kicking up a stink about this, talking about US-Russia relations falling to a new low etc... is it incredibly cynical of me to wonder if this is all smoke and mirrors thought up by Putin and Trump to pretend they aren't all loved up..?

I see it as being fairly cynical, but certainly not necessarily wrong.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby elasto » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:53 pm UTC

One reason I say that is that, yes, dropping sarin on a town then bombing the hospitals treating the victims is horrific, but dropping barrel bombs on a town and then bombing the hospitals treating the victims is only barely less horrific, and Syria has been doing that for years now.

I don't know if Trump is just trying to 'play the strong man' or there's a nod and a wink between Trump and Putin behind the scenes, and maybe it doesn't make much difference... Nothing is going to fix the f*cked up situation that Syria has become...

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby cyanyoshi » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:22 pm UTC

elasto wrote:Given how Russia seem to be kicking up a stink about this, talking about US-Russia relations falling to a new low etc... is it incredibly cynical of me to wonder if this is all smoke and mirrors thought up by Putin and Trump to pretend they aren't all loved up..?

The Onion seems to think roughly the same way. Of course this article is total satire (it is The Onion after all) which may or may not go without saying. I very much doubt that Trump came up with decision himself given how out-of-character this move was. My own echo chambers generally agree that sending a message to Assad was the right tactical move, but it is a clear break from Trump's isolationist rhetoric up until now. You could read this as an attempt to get the press to back off with the Russia allegations, or perhaps this is nothing more than a sign that Trump will be a very hands-off commander-in-chief.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:44 pm UTC

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... t-in-italy
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Zamfir » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:56 am UTC

Is there really anyone who thought: yes, that Trump guy is exactly the type to resist the lure of bombing?

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby cyanyoshi » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:27 am UTC

Zamfir wrote:Is there really anyone who thought: yes, that Trump guy is exactly the type to resist the lure of bombing?

Surely you jest, but yes. This has been the first major departure with Trump's "America First" message, and the majority of the Trump supporters I have talked to are shocked that he did a full 180 in such short notice, especially since Trump was seen as a fair bit less hawkish than Clinton. Frankly, I'm a little surprised as well because he's been rather consistent with his big campaign promises up until now. (Well, as president. I'm aware that he had been far more fluid during the campaign itself.)

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Dauric » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:27 pm UTC

cyanyoshi wrote:
Zamfir wrote:Is there really anyone who thought: yes, that Trump guy is exactly the type to resist the lure of bombing?

Surely you jest, but yes. This has been the first major departure with Trump's "America First" message, and the majority of the Trump supporters I have talked to are shocked that he did a full 180 in such short notice, especially since Trump was seen as a fair bit less hawkish than Clinton. Frankly, I'm a little surprised as well because he's been rather consistent with his big campaign promises up until now. (Well, as president. I'm aware that he had been far more fluid during the campaign itself.)


He wanted to cut pretty much every federal spending under the sun (including diplomats) and pour billions more into the world's single most expensive military.

The old adage goes when all you have is a hammer every problem looks like a nail. Trump essentially threw out every tool in the tool box other than the hammers, and now people are surprised that he's whacking everything with hammers?
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby commodorejohn » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:16 pm UTC

cyanyoshi wrote:
Zamfir wrote:Is there really anyone who thought: yes, that Trump guy is exactly the type to resist the lure of bombing?

Surely you jest, but yes. This has been the first major departure with Trump's "America First" message, and the majority of the Trump supporters I have talked to are shocked that he did a full 180 in such short notice, especially since Trump was seen as a fair bit less hawkish than Clinton. Frankly, I'm a little surprised as well because he's been rather consistent with his big campaign promises up until now. (Well, as president. I'm aware that he had been far more fluid during the campaign itself.)

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby SDK » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:33 pm UTC

Obviously that is the case now that we've seen his response, but I personally expected more of a "Syrians are dying? Why should I care?" attitude. That's what he and his supporters showed in the campaign. If anything, the response he did choose should give you hope! He has a conscience!
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