Pfhorrest wrote:If a rally or protest goes beyond the point of mere speech, and there's not appropriate police response to defend the victims, then in that case absolutely defensive violence is warranted. I'm not saying anyone should lie down and take a beating, just not throw the first punch.
The White-supremacist side showed up with shields and sticks, and used those sticks to beat people.
Which is why the rally was canceled and deemed illegal by 11:30am, before they even officially began marching. The Governor called a "state of emergency" IIRC. (Which usually gives him power to deploy the national guard). Shit was pretty bad.
Pfhorrest wrote:EDIT: And as to how Trump seems so stupid and undirected and yet managed to win the presidency anyway, I think the answer is that he is "shrewdly" (transparently to my eyes but apparently it's effective on many others) being noncommittal and unprincipled so as to let the people who want to like him like him for whatever their reasons without actually having to agree with their reasons himself. I don't know if he actually supports the Nazi ideology, but he seems very happy to have the Nazi ideologues support him, and so he tries not to alienate them. He also wanted the left to support him so he promised the Moon with regards to healthcare with no intention of actually delivering on it. He will say or not say whatever is required with no regard to consistency so long as it brings him approval. He is 100% bullshit all the time, in other words. Which means he often bullshits in his own mouth and blurts out something transparently stupid to anyone with two brain cells to rub together, because he didn't really think before speaking he's just constantly spinning bullshit from the top of his head, but on the whole that's effective enough to win him the presidency.
We all know that already. The problem is that Trump's bullshit is encouraging white supremacists to pull this sort of shit.
This white-supremacy rally would not have taken place during Obama's Presidency. There's a reason why they came out and have a huge amount of energy today. Trump's laziness is making the problem worse. Trump enjoys their energy because it gives Trump the power to advance the Wall and ban Transgenders from the military. They enjoy Trump because he's basically taking their side on the issue.
So the real question is: what advice do you have to counter-protesters who want to mitigate the growing number of White Supremacists who are now marching in this era of Trump? As far as I'm concerned, we've got 3 more years before we have a serious chance of removing Trump from office, but if Trump builds off of this energy and wins again in 2020, then we'll have to tolerate this even longer.
TL;DR: Its too late to "ignore the Nazis away". It may have worked 5 years ago, but its not going to work under current political conditions.