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Re: Trump presidency

Postby cyanyoshi » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:18 am UTC

I wonder if the original version of that tweet went more like this:
Spoiler:
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby CorruptUser » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:52 am UTC

Mutex wrote:Tweet to save people clicking the link:
To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!

He went full caps-lock demented scream. I just hope he's all bluster and no trousers when it comes to threatening war. Which is an odd thing to find yourself hoping for. Kinda the exact opposite of "talk softly and carry a big stick".


Trump has the biggest stick, oh yes, the ladies can't get enough of that giant stick. It's yuuuge.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:38 am UTC

A statesman he is Not.
He's, just, not Normal.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:11 pm UTC

Maybe he's compensating for his weakness in Russia. He has a lots of reasons to threaten Iran. In his usual clumsy way. It's hard to say without being a dumbass pundit.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40006734
Edit found a link that explains some reasons to threaten Iran.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Sableagle » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:17 pm UTC

There are also a lot of good reasons many of us would rather he didn't threaten Iran.

Many of the people of the USA and also many of the other 95.62% of the world's population, I mean.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby CorruptUser » Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:18 pm UTC

Well, most of the Middle East is likely to be ecstatic that he's threatening Iran.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Sableagle » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:21 pm UTC

I doubt the women, girls and Shia Muslim population of the large area of Iraq that ISIS can't touch because Iran's protecting it really want to see Iran bombed back into the bronze age.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:26 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:Tweet to save people clicking the link:
To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!

He went full caps-lock demented scream. I just hope he's all bluster and no trousers when it comes to threatening war. Which is an odd thing to find yourself hoping for. Kinda the exact opposite of "talk softly and carry a big stick".


Ah, the North Korean style of diplomacy. Always popular.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Sableagle » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:13 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:
Mutex wrote:Tweet to save people clicking the link:
NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR ...
... MY DADDY WILL GET YOU!

Got this in email with a request to share it on Facebook. I'm not on Facebook. I'm sharing some of it here instead.

It’s now shockingly clear that Donald Trump is Putin’s poodle.

1

Trump’s main financial backer for the Trump Tower Toronto was a Russian-Canadian billionaire who got the money by selling a massive steel mill in Ukraine for nearly a billion dollars. $100 million of that money was paid to a Kremlin-backed fixer, likely as a bribe to VERY high Russian officials. The Chairman of the Bank who financed the deal? Vladimir Putin.

2

Trump bought his home in Palm Beach for $41 million. A few years later, with no real increase in the value -- he sold it for almost $95 million -- the most expensive home in America at the time! Why? A major Russian oligarch bought it -- we don’t know yet why he effectively ‘gave’ trump $50 million. But it’s classic money laundering practice.

3

Trump's real estate deals were often fuelled by Russian money, typically passed through shady shell companies. 77% of Trump Soho apartments were bought with cash by such mysterious companies. At least 13 people with links to Russian oligarchs or mobsters lived in Trump properties, including one of Russia's top mobsters. One even ran a high-stakes illegal gambling ring in the apartment right below Trump's!

"Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets"
Donald Trump JR, 2008

4

Trump’s financial broker and “Senior Advisor” was a Russian convicted felon named Felix Sater, widely known as a mafia figure who once stabbed someone in the face with a broken margarita glass, requiring over 100 stitches. Sater helped set up shell companies, and arranged funding for Trump’s projects, including plans for Trump Tower Moscow. He’s also part of Putin’s inner circle. Here’s one email he wrote to Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen in November 2015:

"Michael I arranged for Ivanka to sit in Putins private chair at his desk and office in the Kremlin. I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected. We both know no one else knows how to pull this off without stupidity or greed getting in the way. I know how to play it and we will get this done. Buddy our boy can become President of the USA and we can engineer it. I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will."

New York Times, August 27, 2017

5

Trump’s other main business is casinos -- which are classic money laundering vehicles. One of his casinos was 100 times found in violation of federal rules protecting against money laundering, and paid the largest fine ever levied against a casino for having “willfully violated” anti-money laundering rules. Trump has a legal obligation to do “due diligence” for all his businesses to prevent laundering. His senior executive’s comment on this was “Donald doesn’t do diligence”.

Trump’s Russian Laundromat (The New Republic)
https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/ ... -syndicate

Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump (Committee to Investigate Russia)
https://investigaterussia.org/timelines ... dent-trump

Secret Money: How Trump Made Millions Selling Condos To Unknown Buyers
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/th ... -condos-to

Trump’s Russian connections (Financial Times)
https://ig.ft.com/sites/trumps-russian-connections/

Dirty money: Trump and the Kazakh connection (Financial Times)
https://www.ft.com/content/33285dfa-923 ... 778b55a923

Trump's oldest son said a decade ago that a lot of the family's assets came from Russia (Business Insider)
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-t ... sia-2018-2

Sales of Trump properties suggestive of money-laundering - researcher (Reuters)
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-t ... KKBN1F8058

Tower of secrets: the Russian money behind a Donald Trump skyscraper (Financial Times)
https://www.ft.com/trumptoronto

Trump Tower Toronto Was 'Investment Scheme And Conspiracy': Lawsuit (Huffington Post)
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/11/0 ... ccounter=1

If Trump Is Laundering Russian Money, Here’s How It Works (Wired)
https://www.wired.com/story/if-trump-is ... -it-works/

Trump's casino was a money laundering concern shortly after it opened (CNN)
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/22/poli ... index.html

Donald Trump and the mansion that no one wanted. Then came a Russian fertilizer king (Miami Herald)
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/busine ... 87364.html

Everything you want to know about Donald Trump's bankruptcies (CNN)
https://money.cnn.com/2015/08/31/news/c ... ankruptcy/

Canada's highest court upholds ruling that Donald Trump did mislead investors (The Independent)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 23566.html

Russian elite invested nearly $100 million in Trump buildings (Reuters)
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... -property/

Why did a Russian pay $95M to buy Trump’s Palm Beach mansion? (The Seatle Times)
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-wor ... h-mansion/

The Russia investigation and Donald Trump: a timeline from on-the-record sources (updated) (Politifact)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... e-updated/

Here are 10 critics of Vladimir Putin who died violently or in suspicious ways (Washington Post)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 07f77dfcb1

A Brief History of Attempted Russian Assassinations by Poison (Foreign Policy)
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/09/a- ... by-poison/

International Criminal Court: Russia's Invasion Of Ukraine Is A 'Crime,' Not A Civil War (Forbes)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderi ... f1ce247ddb

Donald Trump’s Worst Deal: The President helped build a hotel in Azerbaijan that appears to be a corrupt operation engineered by oligarchs tied to Iran’s Revolutionary Guard (The New Yorker)
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017 ... worst-deal

Trump’s Business of Corruption (The New Yorker)
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017 ... corruption

Trump lawyer 'paid by Ukraine' to arrange White House talks (BBC)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44215656

After becoming President, Trump has sold millions in real estate in secret deals (Newsweek)
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-real-est ... ers-777276

Just What Were Donald Trump's Ties to the Mob? (Politico)
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ime-213910

Russian lawyer from infamous Trump Tower meeting admits to being an informant for the Kremlin: Report (CNBC)
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/27/emails- ... n-nbc.html
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby cphite » Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:43 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:There are also a lot of good reasons many of us would rather he didn't threaten Iran.

Many of the people of the USA and also many of the other 95.62% of the world's population, I mean.


Meh. It was stupid, childish, and utterly beneath the dignity of the office... but ultimately, it's just hot air intended to draw attention from his Helsinki gaffe, and both sides know it.

Iran isn't going to do anything; and really isn't capable of doing anything even if they wanted to. The US isn't going to do anything, either.

That said, isn't threatening a specific person technically against the Twitter terms? Maybe if we all report him, they'll disable his account? :D

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:30 am UTC

well,...Mutex;
That is very linky of you.
One, maybe two were behind paywalls.
The rest will be enlightening for people that have the stomach for it.

We, as a people, BETTER! be getting a stomach for it.
Especially the young!

This is fairly good interview with an English/Russian intellectual.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1HWNcLDK88

Her own life and people she cares for were damaged.
Yet; She seems to be a consummate intellectual.
I recommend it.

We, Americans, often don't know what is happening.
Happening across Town, leave across The World.

Too darn many of us Think we do.
Like the Russians, if we see it on TV, then it is True.

Oh,....What do you think of what Ms. Julia has to say?
Spoiler:
I think she is Wrong about what motivates Trump,
She says the One on One over chocolate cake changed Trump's mind.
I think it was $Money$ from China into the Family that changed his mind.
(shrug..) I think $Money$ and $Greed$ are at the Heart of our problems.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:43 am UTC

cphite wrote:
Sableagle wrote:There are also a lot of good reasons many of us would rather he didn't threaten Iran.
Many of the people of the USA and also many of the other 95.62% of the world's population, I mean.

Meh. It was stupid, childish, and utterly beneath the dignity of the office... but ultimately, it's just hot air intended to draw attention from his Helsinki gaffe, and both sides know it.
Iran isn't going to do anything; and really isn't capable of doing anything even if they wanted to. The US isn't going to do anything, either.
That said, isn't threatening a specific person technically against the Twitter terms? Maybe if we all report him, they'll disable his account? :D

They could kidnap more Americans. Albeit, most of them are Iranian dual citizens/really brave/stupid students/professors, but they're still Americans. For now anyway.

Edit: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/10/maga ... -iran.html
"seven U.S. captives in the Islamic Republic being used as pawns in a nearly 40-year secret history of hostage taking." Added link Iran kidnaps Americans for political leverage.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby CorruptUser » Tue Jul 24, 2018 3:24 am UTC

sardia wrote:
cphite wrote:
Sableagle wrote:There are also a lot of good reasons many of us would rather he didn't threaten Iran.
Many of the people of the USA and also many of the other 95.62% of the world's population, I mean.

Meh. It was stupid, childish, and utterly beneath the dignity of the office... but ultimately, it's just hot air intended to draw attention from his Helsinki gaffe, and both sides know it.
Iran isn't going to do anything; and really isn't capable of doing anything even if they wanted to. The US isn't going to do anything, either.
That said, isn't threatening a specific person technically against the Twitter terms? Maybe if we all report him, they'll disable his account? :D

They could kidnap more Americans. Albeit, most of them are Iranian dual citizens/really brave/stupid students/professors, but they're still Americans. For now anyway.


Or do what they are currently doing and funding terrorist activity against Americans the world over, or allow a group of 20 Saudis to travel through from Afghanistan.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Mutex » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:41 am UTC

addams wrote:well,...Mutex;
That is very linky of you.

Sableagle posted those, I don't know why he edited my post to make it look like I did, I assume by mistake.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:28 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:
addams wrote:well,...Mutex;
That is very linky of you.

Sableagle posted those, I don't know why he edited my post to make it look like I did, I assume by mistake.
oh,....
I am very ok with it.
I like a good link.

It looks like a pile of magazines.
All on the same topic.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Koa » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:00 pm UTC


That looks like that was written late last year, aka two decades ago.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:53 pm UTC

Koa wrote:

That looks like that was written late last year, aka two decades ago.
Yes. Last year/Two decades ago....
The Truth tends to stay stable.
Spoiler:
That is a Terrible argument.
FairyTails are amazingly stable.

Historic Truths morph all over the place.
Remember Columbus, who sailed the Oceans blue and his buddies the Puritans?
They were separated by two hundred years and three thousand miles.
Still; We, the people of the U.S., our neighbors both north and south and our friends around the Globe, have a problem.
Orange Man and is team of deconstructors are doing a lot of damage.

When George Will recommends that people Vote Blue...
well...I never thought I would live to see The Day.

I did not agree with his politics.
I respected his wordcraft; Still do.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:14 pm UTC

Trump is now Twiting that Russia is putting its Thumb on the scale FOR the Democrats.
I dislike him more and more. He has walked us into an Orwellian nightmare.

He is giving speeches where he tells Old People,
"Believe Me, not your lying eyes." (Jerk! Jerk! Jerk!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlSwAHrr34A
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gd1 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:04 pm UTC

It appears Russia may have hacked access to some of the power grid in the united states. If this is true I am worried why Trump is not condemning it. Colbert said play jenga by candle light. Please! It's 2018 man... we've got D&D 3.5.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby pogrmman » Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:51 am UTC

The freedom caucus have introduced a resolution about the impeachment of Rod Rosenstein. I haven’t been following all this stuff much, but I know that this is a pretty big deal. If they get him removed, they can replace him with someone who’d fire Muller, which obviously isn’t good.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:08 am UTC

pogrmman wrote:The freedom caucus have introduced a resolution about the impeachment of Rod Rosenstein. I haven’t been following all this stuff much, but I know that this is a pretty big deal. If they get him removed, they can replace him with someone who’d fire Muller, which obviously isn’t good.

Come get me when it leaves committee. The House oversight chairman didn't sign on.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby SecondTalon » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:16 am UTC

gd1 wrote:It appears Russia may have hacked access to some of the power grid in the united states. If this is true I am worried why Trump is not condemning it. Colbert said play jenga by candle light. Please! It's 2018 man... we've got D&D 3.5.

I’ve not addressed his thread yet as it hurts me to do so, so here’s a warning. I like gmal and natraj. I also fully expect that I’ll piss them off when I ban them both from N&A and SB for some claim they made without a citation. I’m prepared to fuck up internet friendships and have a week from hell dealing with it in the Mod forum.

Why would you - any of you - possibly think you have any protections? If I had been posting in this thread in the last month or two, I’d sure as fuck make sure I have a citation for the sky being blue on hand to be linked as needed.

So, with that said - and how it’d be unfair to throw you out right now as I’ve not hit anyone since my initial requirement, so.....

Citations? Links? Something to go with this beyond you just saying words?
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:11 am UTC

oh,...We made 2nd Claw mad.
umm...Yep. I'm scared.

Banned?
A hand might reach out of my screen and Slap me.
Then, my keyboard might lock up, never to click again.

(sigh...) Yes. I think Nunes and Gowdy are creeps.
If we ever get on the other side of this, they will go down in the
History Books with Benedict Arnold and Judas Iscariot.

Until then, this is interesting to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2_5rPbUDNA

Because, I have lost control of my machines, in the past.
Have you Never been Hacked?? I can tell you how I got out.

Once; I abandoned the machine and all of its contents.
Another Time; An Angel in Kansas remotely led me out.

We, as a nation, are Not prepared for this.
Snowden? umm...Mayyybee....

gd1 wrote:It appears Russia may have hacked access to some of the power grid in the united states. If this is true I am worried why Trump is not condemning it. Colbert said play jenga by candle light. Please! It's 2018 man... we've got D&D 3.5.
Yes! I know! You should be worried!
In April 2018, the Russians showed us ScreenShots of internal U.S. PowerGrid Control Screens.

I have a Link...Somewhere.
I'm looking for it.

EDIT: I found something.
https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/ ... ower-grid/

Yep. The link works for me. I liked it.
I think it is worth 17 minutes and 13 seconds of your Time.

I love the hand held axe story.
It makes my ears perk up.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Soupspoon » Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:28 am UTC

To save the situation getting ugly, if I may pipe up with Russian hackers penetrate US power stations (...the BBC reports that the WSJ reports) from a couple of days ago. Though I've seen it mentioned even several months ago (may have been far more speculative?).

This was judged Largely False (dating to claims back in 2016) and even the current claims are a bit volatile in their claimed effectiveness.

I tend to think that any actual breakthroughs by (Russian/other) hackers is going to be through the occasional success of a scattergun phishing approach more than "Hacker 959, you will get access to New York's North Central Power Relays for us, pronto!", which doesn't mean that their happenstance penetrations would not have been useful. (Hopefully, by detection and extrapolation to other systems to update them and freeze out undetected access in the process, any inroads made have been uprooted.)

But I'm not in a position to be definite about what actually happened (besides reading through the journalese descriptions), and my past experiences dealing with Code Red, Nimda, etc just don't extrapolate well to more modern attacks. I imagine.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gd1 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:13 am UTC

SecondTalon wrote:
gd1 wrote:It appears Russia may have hacked access to some of the power grid in the united states. If this is true I am worried why Trump is not condemning it. Colbert said play jenga by candle light. Please! It's 2018 man... we've got D&D 3.5.

I’ve not addressed his thread yet as it hurts me to do so, so here’s a warning. I like gmal and natraj. I also fully expect that I’ll piss them off when I ban them both from SB for some claim they made without a citation. I’m prepared to fuck up internet friendships and have a week from hell dealing with it in the Mod forum.

Why would you - any of you - possibly think you have any protections? If I had been posting in this thread in the last month or two, I’d sure as fuck make sure I have a citation for the sky being blue on hand to be linked as needed.

So, with that said - and how it’d be unfair to throw you out right now as I’ve not hit anyone since my initial requirement, so.....

Citations? Links? Something to go with this beyond you just saying words?


As requested:

2:06 to 2:14

EDIT: Was already discussed by others above me it seems.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby SecondTalon » Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:19 pm UTC

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:47 pm UTC

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is ... on-crisis/
polling indicates that Republicans have emerged more unified and motivated by immigration than they were before the policy was publicized.

Partisanship is a hell of a drug. Also fuck you Republicans. You're lucky hell doesn't exist.

I find it odd that the Trump administration feels bad/ is pressured by how bad the optics look, but the polling is stable. Does that mean Republicans felt bad about babies, but the administration's response was good enough?

PS things could still change but this is the state now.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:20 pm UTC

sardia wrote:I find it odd that the Trump administration feels bad/ is pressured by how bad the optics look, but the polling is stable. Does that mean Republicans felt bad about babies, but the administration's response was good enough?


Perhaps they mis-estimated what their own base was willing to accept, based on the media reaction? Either could be the case, or some blend of them.

Or maybe they don't feel bad about babies at all, but feel as if they ought to feel bad, and thus impute that reaction to others on their side. A bit speculative, I admit, but I note my prediction of Republicans not actually punishing Trump with any additional reactions still seems to be untract. They'll make disagreeing noises, but they're not going to hold up nominations or side with democrats.

The bit about the massive jump saying that immigration is the most important issue in your source is fascinating. That appears to be largely driven by the furor. So, what, ten percent or so of the population will change their prioritization of an issue because of what Trump says? That's a potent use of the bully pulpit.

They reference the Quinnipac poll* in a contradictory fashion. In one part, they say Republican approval of Trump's stance on immigration increased from 55% to 75%, where in another, they say it's stable at about 8 in 10. Odd.

*https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2554

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:29 pm UTC

They're talking about two different questions.

Handling of immigration overall stayed at 80%.

Separation of families went from 55% to 75%.

Last month, 55% supported
25. As you may know, some families seeking asylum from their home country cross the U.S. border illegally and then request asylum. In an attempt to discourage this, the Trump administration has been prosecuting the parents immediately, which means separating parents from their children. Do you support or oppose this policy?


This month, 75% approved
44. Do you approve or disapprove of the way President Trump is handling the situation involving children who have been separated from their parents at the border?


I suspect some of the change is the belief that they've stopped separating families and even that they're now reuniting significant numbers of families. So to give them the benefit of the doubt, that 20% of Republicans may simply be ignorant, rather than actively pro-fascist.

(And before anyone accuses me of partisan hypocrisy, the 27% of Democrats who supported the policy in June were also supporting fascism. Acknowledging that Dems are less harmful on average doesn't mean I think they're all fine.)
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby cphite » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:17 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:To save the situation getting ugly, if I may pipe up with Russian hackers penetrate US power stations (...the BBC reports that the WSJ reports) from a couple of days ago. Though I've seen it mentioned even several months ago (may have been far more speculative?).

was judged Largely False (dating to claims back in 2016) and even the current claims are a bit volatile in their claimed effectiveness.


It's important to note that "penetrated" doesn't necessarily mean anything beyond the fact that they got some kind of access. It doesn't mean that they have full control, or even partial control; it could be nothing more than the ability to snoop around.

As the Snopes link points out, the brief panic over the Vermont power grid being allegedly "infiltrated" was the result of a single laptop being found to be infected with malware - and it wasn't even connected to any sensitive systems. The problem is that the headline "Laptop Found With Malware, Just Happened To Be In Power Plant Office" doesn't sell nearly as many copies.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Soupspoon » Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:46 pm UTC

Aye. Added for balance.

While we're on it, no idea of the potential biases behind this report, besides obviously having a particular tale to tell about potentially quite damning circumstantial evidence and total headdesk moments if some of the technical/procedural information is anywhere near true.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:45 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:Aye. Added for balance.

While we're on it, no idea of the potential biases behind this report, besides obviously having a particular tale to tell about potentially quite damning circumstantial evidence and total headdesk moments if some of the technical/procedural information is anywhere near true.
I don't know what that author's bias is.
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I have Not heard my State was effected.
Yet; I KNOW! I was very nearly blocked from voting.

EDIT: I can't look away from Soupspoons' linked article.
At the 2017 Def Con computer security conference, a 16-year-old hacker broke into as ExpressPoll voting machine used by Georgia in 45 minutes. Another cyberhacker showed how he could change votes in the WINvote machine used in Virginia, Pennsylvania and Mississippi, with only a computer, a mouse and a Microsoft Word document, as long as he had the password. But the hacker soon discovered that WINvote machines all had the same password.

The password, which could not be changed, was (you might want to take a deep breath) “abcde.”
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Postby gd1 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:05 am UTC

addams wrote:EDIT: I can't look away from Soupspoons' linked article.
At the 2017 Def Con computer security conference, a 16-year-old hacker broke into as ExpressPoll voting machine used by Georgia in 45 minutes. Another cyberhacker showed how he could change votes in the WINvote machine used in Virginia, Pennsylvania and Mississippi, with only a computer, a mouse and a Microsoft Word document, as long as he had the password. But the hacker soon discovered that WINvote machines all had the same password.

The password, which could not be changed, was (you might want to take a deep breath) “abcde.”
....Someone; Say something.


Incredible. I have the same combination on my luggage.

More seriously, I think intelligence has been described as a bell curve. This is why scams are profitable unfortunately. Interestingly, this is also how I used to get headshots in planetside 2. I am a sad unskilled person.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby addams » Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:03 am UTC

gd1 wrote:More seriously, I think intelligence has been described as a bell curve. This is why scams are profitable unfortunately. Interestingly, this is also how I used to get headshots in planetside 2. I am a sad unskilled person.
sigh...I fear you have stumbled Off Topic, again.
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The book Bell Curve is worth discussion.
Very little of the book neither pro nor con belong here.

We can discuss the roll the Trump Presidency plays in empowering or disabling individual citizens.
If you are sad and unskilled, does the Trump Presidency give you hopeful aspirations or not? Why?
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gd1 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:12 am UTC

addams wrote:
gd1 wrote:More seriously, I think intelligence has been described as a bell curve. This is why scams are profitable unfortunately. Interestingly, this is also how I used to get headshots in planetside 2. I am a sad unskilled person.
sigh...I fear you have stumbled Off Topic, again.
Gaming in general and our personal achievements in a Game World have no place here.

The book Bell Curve is worth discussion.
Very little of the book neither pro nor con belong here.

We can discuss the roll the Trump Presidency plays in empowering or disabling individual citizens.
If you are sad and unskilled, does the Trump Presidency give you hopeful aspirations or not? Why?


I think my blood is pixelated at this point.

The trump presidency makes me think we're approaching the end times.

"When the power or authority comes in the hands of unfit persons, then wait for the Hour."

Link I guess? (more for the title than the article) Hopefully not too off topic [if it is, let me know and I'll delete it].

Some examples:
China = Xi president for life
USA = Worst president in the history of the country imo
North Korea = Kim Jong Un
Egypt = Sisi
Russia = Putin
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gmalivuk » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:38 pm UTC

Representative Karen Bass wrote: Last week, I spoke to a grandmother (in a cage) who the government had deemed "ineligible" to stay with her grandchild because she was not his mother.

The boy was shipped off to foster care and in 6 months, can be put up for adoption in Texas.

That’s what “ineligible” means.

Regarding this article on the hundreds of children still separated from their families: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/26/poli ... index.html

Remember, forcibly transferring children from one group to another is literally a form of genocide: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.html
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby sardia » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:12 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:
Representative Karen Bass wrote: Last week, I spoke to a grandmother (in a cage) who the government had deemed "ineligible" to stay with her grandchild because she was not his mother.
The boy was shipped off to foster care and in 6 months, can be put up for adoption in Texas.
That’s what “ineligible” means.

Regarding this article on the hundreds of children still separated from their families: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/26/poli ... index.html
Remember, forcibly transferring children from one group to another is literally a form of genocide: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.html

That kind of genocide is the kind where those children get a formal apology decades later. Need something better than a Historian decades from now trashtalking Trump like they do President Jackson. What you're looking for is contempt of court. Which IIRC, the judge instead went with special monitor. https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national ... 72781.html
Best bet is to hope Democrats win more seats. The less political cover he has, the less room for the trump administration to sneak through bad shit. That'll buy time until 2020. Hopefully Democrats will get their shit together by then.

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby gmalivuk » Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:56 am UTC

What I was looking for was a word that accurately describes a thing. Genocide is one such word.
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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Chen » Sun Jul 29, 2018 7:31 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:What I was looking for was a word that accurately describes a thing. Genocide is one such word.


Its not the right word unless theres “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”. Its absolutely not the same as the taking of native american children and putting them into residential schools in an attempt to get rid of their culture.

Its a heinous act being used to try and deter people from coming across the border. I think it falls much better under the Crimes against Humanity description (from the same UN link)

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Re: Trump presidency

Postby Grop » Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:23 pm UTC

Give me what I want or I will hold my breath until something happens.

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