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Re: AI discussion from The Darker Side of the News

Postby Peaceful Whale » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:10 pm UTC

Allow me to clarify:
In my music world most raps are horror movies.
Too much sexually suggestive and obscenities in them for me to see them as child friendly. I don’t care if they’re a black culture thing. Even if it’s from any culture I’d still dislike it.
I don’t think this is racist, the type of music often has certain aspects of it that would make it R rated.
Does it matter that a certain culture/group of people commonly enjoys it? I don’t.

So in your view, you may think Rap is a child’s movie. Perfectly fine for children to watch/listen to, and not at all frightening. That’s fine, but I personally would disagree, but we’re differnt people.

Please point out what makes you believe this to be racist so I may be more considerate in the future and less likely to offend people.
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Postby Peaceful Whale » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:11 pm UTC

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Re: AI discussion from The Darker Side of the News

Postby natraj » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:16 pm UTC

in itself the stereotype of rap as being full of sexual/violent imagery [significantly moreso than other genres of popular music] comes from racism.
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Postby Zohar » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:23 pm UTC

First, what's with conflating horror with sexuality and obscenities? Does porn = rap for you as well? And also, why don't you compare this to Martin Scorsese films, Quentin Tarantino films, David Cronenberg films? There are plenty of pasty white guys' movies that have way more violence, nudity, and sexuality than your average rap song. Why don't you call this the "Game of Thrones" of music?
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Re: AI discussion from The Darker Side of the News

Postby Peaceful Whale » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:29 pm UTC

natraj wrote:in itself the stereotype of rap as being full of sexual/violent imagery [significantly moreso than other genres of popular music] comes from racism.

Thank you, this was not something I was aware of becuase I personally get this setreotype from what kids around me listen to, as it’s the only time I hear rap. I did not realize that it could be seen as having racist origins.
I understand what a bunch of middleschoolers listen to probably isn’t the best sampling size, but it’s the one I’ve been given.

I can see what I said could be seen as racist, but I hope I’ve better explained myself. Horror movies was a bad choice of words. I personally don’t care who the main artists are, what their ethnicity is. The rap music I hear is very explicit, and I was comparing it to a genre of movies that (to me again) normally is explicit.

I believe my main problem was ignorance of the racism behind the stereotype. I now know better.

Sorry if I offended or angered anyone, I wasn’t trying to be racist, I didn’t know it was racist. I will try and stop (angering? Offending?) people who see it as racist.
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Re: AI discussion from The Darker Side of the News

Postby Peaceful Whale » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:34 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:First, what's with conflating horror with sexuality and obscenities? Does porn = rap for you as well? And also, why don't you compare this to Martin Scorsese films, Quentin Tarantino films, David Cronenberg films? There are plenty of pasty white guys' movies that have way more violence, nudity, and sexuality than your average rap song. Why don't you call this the "Game of Thrones" of music?

I’ve never watched game of thrones...
I don’t care if the movies are made by white people. I’m sorry? Does it matter that white people make (what I think is) bad movies? This isn’t me hating the people themselves, just dislikeing the genre of music and comparing it to a movie genre I thought were similar... which I probably shouldn’t have done.
I’ve never even heard of those people.
I don’t watch porn either.
However I have heard of horror movies and stuff.
So that is why I compared it to that.
I don’t think calling it “game of thrones” music would make it any worse. As I’ve already said, it was bad choice of words, as it was the first “R” genre that came to my head. Comparing it to game of thrones would have probably offended morn people.
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Re: AI discussion from The Darker Side of the News

Postby CorruptUser » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:42 pm UTC

I actually like some horror movies. And some rap. Not all, because, well, 90% of everything is shit. Pop and kids movies are both easy viewing junk that are just bland enough for everyone to be able to watch without being too offended. Rap and horror movies are both a different kind of viewing than pop and kids movies and the change in genres IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PIECE is obnoxious. Imagine if instead of Big Sean in Feels, they just stuck in Skrillex. You have Pharell nailing his singing, Katy singing the chorus, back to Pharell, then Katy, then WUBWUBWUB EEEEZZZXXEEEEE WUBWUBWUB. It'd be just as awful, even for the people who can tolerate dubstep.

You can have a rap-pop crossover like LL Cool J, or rap rock, or country rap, etc. You can have horror movies for kids like Nightmare before Christmas. Pausing a pop song for a rap does not make the pop song any better, any more than pausing a kids movie for a horror or thriller or action movie would.



As for rap being more "adult"? That was Tipper Gore's fault, but really Al Gore and Strom Thurmond, who were trying to introduce a blank tape tax to eliminate both piracy and independent artists. However, the rap industry EMBRACED the tipper sticker, so it's not exactly unfair.

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Re: AI discussion from The Darker Side of the News

Postby Peaceful Whale » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:08 pm UTC

I’m going to hop on out of here, if I offended anyone I’m sorry, I just don’t want to get entangled in something.

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Re: AI discussion from The Darker Side of the News

Postby ritacintron » Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:40 pm UTC

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Re: AI discussion from The Darker Side of the News

Postby Peaceful Whale » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:51 pm UTC

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Re: AI discussion from The Darker Side of the News

Postby cphite » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:52 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:I actually like some horror movies. And some rap. Not all, because, well, 90% of everything is shit. Pop and kids movies are both easy viewing junk that are just bland enough for everyone to be able to watch without being too offended.


The vast majority of music is deliberately made to appeal to people who don't give a shit what's playing in the background, as long as it's popular. That's why most pop at any given time sounds pretty much the same. The industry sees what people are buying and pushes more of that thing. The more they push, the more people buy; and the more people buy, the more they push. Every now and then something different gets enough notice to throw the cycle off track; and then that becomes the new popular thing.

And part of that is not being too racy or violent or whatever; because the whole point is to appeal to the widest audience possible.

Rap and horror movies are both a different kind of viewing than pop and kids movies and the change in genres IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PIECE is obnoxious. Imagine if instead of Big Sean in Feels, they just stuck in Skrillex. You have Pharell nailing his singing, Katy singing the chorus, back to Pharell, then Katy, then WUBWUBWUB EEEEZZZXXEEEEE WUBWUBWUB. It'd be just as awful, even for the people who can tolerate dubstep.


Yuck.

You can have a rap-pop crossover like LL Cool J, or rap rock, or country rap, etc. You can have horror movies for kids like Nightmare before Christmas. Pausing a pop song for a rap does not make the pop song any better, any more than pausing a kids movie for a horror or thriller or action movie would.


I really enjoy a lot of the crossover stuff, but you're right... it can't just be splicing two different sounds into a song. The really cool stuff is when they do something that actually combines different genres into one sound.

As for rap being more "adult"? That was Tipper Gore's fault, but really Al Gore and Strom Thurmond, who were trying to introduce a blank tape tax to eliminate both piracy and independent artists. However, the rap industry EMBRACED the tipper sticker, so it's not exactly unfair.


I remember as a kid buying heavy metal, the sticker was a selling point; bands would go out of their way to get that sticker. It's one of the best examples ever of government trying to do something that needn't be done in the first place, and getting exactly the opposite result from what they wanted.


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