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Re: Thomas Fire

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:17 am UTC
by ObsessoMom
The Desolation of Smaug, ain't it?

The topsy-turvy orientations of the photos seem appropriate for the world turned upside down.

Re: Thomas Fire

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:43 am UTC
by Soupspoon
Pfhorrest wrote:Most of these images seem to be rendering upside-down or sideways in-browser even though they're right-side-up when I view them locally, not sure what's going on there, sorry about that.

Best guess is that EXIF-like orientation information that your phone/device wrote to the images, based on its internal sensors' information depending on how you naturally hold it, was read back by your device to correctly rotate them in whatever manner makes best sense. But, outwith the native rendering of your device, uploading and embedding as <img>s then just renders in unmodified form and 'base' raster-order orientation. If you naturally hold your device 'upside down' (and of course one or other version of sideways, for portrait-orientation) then the discrepency is now no longer de-descrepencied.

Either take this as a cue that you're using your camera device upside down (though getting away with it, 'locally'), and perhaps try to remember to use it the other way up from what you're used to (which doesn't help with the portraied pics that will always be sideways without the adjustment!), or else find a freebie image clipper/manipulator app (if you don't care to send it to a desktop for Paintbrush/GIMP/Photoshop/etc checking and turning) that can rotate (and optionally clip/resize, though none of that is at explicit issue here) the image prior to your uploading.

Sort-of-related, to the above, but straying much more from the thread topic:
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Note that one of my devices acts funny with such editing. Loading a photo/screenshot into my Image Cropper (but not just that, it's a cross-app issue) making a change and saving it, the browser-based Upload function will only ever upload the pre-change image, even though the File Manager (and opening the changed image via the File Manager) shows the very same filename as being the post-change one. I put it down to some form of virtualised 'versioning' by the FS, which different levels of FA access deal with differently. (There's also the awkwardness that adding an external USB to the device provides a third 'disk', after the perma-internal memory and the SDcard expansion area, but some Apps see only Internal and SD (still) and others see only Internal and USB. And it takes extraordinary effort to transfer things from USB to either internalised (semi-)permanent store, or from either of them to the USB, because the File Manager is one of the things that doesn't see the USB. Files compatible with the minimalist Office software I use on here can be loaded from(/to) USB then to (or previously from) the other areas, but then properly ejecting the USB screws up any other unsaved Officesque documents, that have happily loaded and backgrounded across device reboots, but now suddenly revert for 'reasons'. Grrrr...

And it seems to be a proprietry problem, only affecting one of my devices. (Another one doesn't even support USB plug-ins or act as USB OTG, so it can't suffer these problems. But at least its SD card can be unloaded (without spoiling everything) and mounted onto a PC via an adaptor dongle. Methods which doesn't work at all for the one above, for unknown reasons.

Sorry, just getting that off my chest, and drifting even further from the topic at hand, I know.



(I was going to ask why you'd claimed the fires to be in California, when it was obvious they were somewhere in Australia. :P)

Re: Thomas Fire

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:53 am UTC
by Pfhorrest
Thanks for the thoughts on the odd rotation. I thought it might be some thing like that. I did bring them to my desktop computer first, and viewing them there they look correct. Also viewing them directly in their own browser tabs shows correct orientation too. It's only linked into the page that they get all turned around.

Soupspoon wrote:(I was going to ask why you'd claimed the fires to be in California, when it was obvious they were somewhere in Australia. :P)


The climate in southern California is remarkably similar to Australia, and also to Chile, Spain, Morocco, basically anywhere with a climate on the threshold of dry semi-arid and tropical sub-humid (aridity index around 0.5). Ventura had a nascent botanic garden that was just destroyed by the fire, and the only parts of it that they had built up so far were the native, Australian, Chilean, and Mediterranean sections, because those are all the easiest to do, what with not requiring any special irrigation or shading or anything since the climate is already perfect for them.

Also, eucalyptus is an invasive species here, so some parts look even more Australian:

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(It's even upside-down like Australia!)

(...wait, was that the original joke?)

Re: Thomas Fire

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:58 am UTC
by Pfhorrest
Today I took a really long (8-9mi round trip) hike from my house up to the top of the nearest foothills, up to the top of Pratte Trail and back down Cozy Dell Trail. I got some more really great shots of the desolation out there, some of them contrasting with the unburnt valley below:

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I recommend right-clicking to view them in their own tabs for maximum effect.

Re: Thomas Fire

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:47 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
Finally at 100% containment today, hurray!

Now there's just more mudslides to worry about as the rain continues.

Re: Thomas Fire

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:58 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
Mud quenches Fire
Fire ???es ???
??? ???es Mud

(How soon until we see which new disaster fills in the blanks, do you think?)

Re: Thomas Fire

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:37 am UTC
by CorruptUser
Kudzu vines. Kudzu prevents mudslides, is destroyed by burning, but is an environmental disaster as it grows so fast that it chokes out everything else.

Re: Thomas Fire

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:32 pm UTC
by Sableagle
The fire is out ... five miles out to sea and slowly sinking.

Mud quenches fire.
Fire burns lizards.
Lizards climb trees.
Trees grow on rock.
Rock ..... er ..... ignores mud, mostly.

Actually, I think mudslide beats just about anything.

You know, if it's big enough, a mudslide doesn't stop for anything short of a mountain.

Re: Thomas Fire

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:43 pm UTC
by CorruptUser
Telling you man, Kudzu vines. Mudslides and avalanches don't happen when the vegetation is thick enough.

Re: Thomas Fire

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:40 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
I approve of fire-mudslide-kudzu.

Re: Thomas Fire

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:24 pm UTC
by freezeblade
CorruptUser wrote:Telling you man, Kudzu vines.


*shudder* Oh man Kudzu. That stuff is impossible to get rid of once it's burrowed into a place, it's even worse than Algerian ivy, or Bermuda grass!