zealo wrote:the way i see it, the fact that about 95% of the media i have read calls him 'the first black president' in the first paragraph shows that, well, you are.
Is there something wrong with calling him the first black president? Is there something inaccurate there? Is pointing out that it's historically significant that no nonwhite person has ever been the president of the US
somehow wrong? You're from Perth. How many aboriginal PMs have you guys had? I'm kind of surprised with the state of race relations in your own country, in your own state, that you wouldn't understand how this is a big step forward in the movement toward racial equality. I mean, how many aboriginal children living in Australia today honestly have a shot at being PM of Australia in their lifetime or even seeing
an aboriginal PM before they die? Give me your best guess. 0? Fewer
zealo wrote:he is in no way related to the slaves or people who were subject to racist laws prior to the civil rights movement.
Oh right, I forgot that when MLK was assassinated by a white man
all the racism in the US disappeared. And you know, the funny thing about racists, they normally don't check your "slave credentials" before they decide to discriminate against you. They're usually pretty equal opportunity if you've got the right look about you.
zealo wrote:he is a first generation kenyan/american who was raised in hawaii and indonesia, (neither location would have put him on the recieving end of a huge ammount of racism as far as i am aware) by his white mother then white grandparents.
No, you're absolutely right. The fact that he's got a white mom, that, in the US, he's of "mixed decent", surely won't lead to any discrimination at all. It's not like while he was running for office people were circulating photos of him in traditional African garb trying to convince on-the-fence racists that he is indeed more African than American. I also forgot that discrimination stops at the end of your childhood. I think they're currently giving all ethnic, religious, orientation and gender minorities forehead tattoos to remind us white men under the age of 55 that we can't discriminate against them. You know, because he's no longer a child. I can't believe I'm typing this right now.
zealo wrote:if you look at him purely in terms of skin color, he has just as many white parents as black ones.
what exactly makes him more black than white?
The fact that he looks black
and has black parents
in the US is enough. I'd wager it's enough in Perth, too. I'm sorry, but I've spent some time in WA and I've been to a bar that still has a "white side" and a "black side". I've taken some classes at Curtin on the history and current state of race relations between Australian whites and aboriginal people. If you're completely unaware of the fact that racism is still very much alive and well in the world, in the US or even right there at home, if slightly less PC, then it's because you're trying not to see it.
zealo wrote: Dream wrote:
zealo wrote:what exactly makes him more black than white?
That for the purposes of discrimination and racial prejudice, he's black enough.
according to who? the american public?
ACCORDING TO THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD DISCRIMINATE AGAINST HIM, HE'S BLACK ENOUGH! What about that is honestly so hard for you to believe? Are you so completely out of touch with reality that you think that racists, hell, anyone who is willing to discriminate against a person because of some arbitrary quality they hold, will take the time to make sure that he fits some set of standards before discriminating against him?
Gunfingers wrote:And i was just expressing my frustration with the idea that the only "right" choice was the one whose politics more closely resemble Europe's.
no one besides you has had that idea as far as i've noticed
As an American, this can at times be frustrating. It's extremely understandable, even expected, since our top-level government officials have arguably more direct influence on the rest of the world than any other country's, but it can still be frustrating.