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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Jedifreak » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:32 am UTC

Quix was right. It's not good sportsmanship (polymanship?) to start booing somebody because they won.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Quixotess » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:34 am UTC

stapleface wrote:
Quixotess wrote:Don't they realize that by booing Obama they're being disrespectful to McCain?


no!

that was an easy one

Hee hee! +1

Noc wrote:Though the "Americans never hide from history" line right at the end had me wincing.

Yes, as did the "African American pride" bit. But I really think he was trying.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Mr. Beck » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:37 am UTC

WOOOOOT ^_________________^

OBAMA!

As for the concession speech, I agree that McCain tried and that his supporters were assholes.

We actually lit off a few fireworks here.

EDIT: President Elect Barack Obama. That sounds beautiful.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Delass » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:37 am UTC

He really sounded sincere. Kudos for asking his supporters to stop booing at Obamas name when he mentioned it.

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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Quixotess » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:42 am UTC

I can hear fireworks outside my window.

A whole new generation of hopeful, optimistic voters just were formed.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby The Great Hippo » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:43 am UTC

Man, I almost feel sorry for McCain. They just played a death march for him as he walked off. Man's a walking Greek Tragedy--sold his soul to Karl Rove and didn't get shit. I mean, even Bush got 8 years.

Is it wrong to feel bad for the guy?

Also, you know, I'm not crazy into Obama or anything, but I think this is probably the most psychologically positive election result in, well, fuck. Decades.

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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby stapleface » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:46 am UTC

The Great Hippo wrote:Is it wrong to feel bad for the guy?

no!

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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Dream » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:47 am UTC

The Great Hippo wrote:Is it wrong to feel bad for the guy?


Not really, no. I mean, he can cry himself to sleep in one of those houses he forgot he had. Or sell one and buy a lifetime supply of booze.

And anyone who gives Palin a shot at very high office for his own selfish ends deserves political annihilation.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby phlip » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:48 am UTC

Can someone explain something for me, about how American elections work?

In particular, I'm looking at this results site, and have been for most of the day...

How can they say that, say, California is an Obama win, with only 4% of the votes counted (I assume that's what "precincts reporting" means), and Obama with a very small edge over McCain (49 and a bit% vs 49 and a bit%)... but can't call, say, Georgia, which has McCain at 58% of the vote, and 86% counted? How does that work?
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Jedifreak » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:49 am UTC

Since Reagan probably.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby AKAnotu » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:50 am UTC

phlip wrote:Can someone explain something for me, about how American elections work?

In particular, I'm looking at this results site, and have been for most of the day...

How can they say that, say, California is an Obama win, with only 4% of the votes counted (I assume that's what "precincts reporting" means), and Obama with a very small edge over McCain... but can't call, say, Georgia, which has McCain at 58% of the vote, and 86% counted? How does that work?

The news channels are "calling" the states. Basically, they choose who will most likely win based on polls, the current votes, who the state's voted for in each election, and exit polls. California has gone democratic for every election since Reagan. Georgia is the opposite. Unless we're transported into a freaky bizzarro world, Obama will win California.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Jedifreak » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:51 am UTC

He makes a good point.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby apricity » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:52 am UTC

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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Kain » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:53 am UTC

phlip wrote:Can someone explain something for me, about how American elections work?

In particular, I'm looking at this results site, and have been for most of the day...

How can they say that, say, California is an Obama win, with only 4% of the votes counted (I assume that's what "precincts reporting" means), and Obama with a very small edge over McCain (49 and a bit% vs 49 and a bit%)... but can't call, say, Georgia, which has McCain at 58% of the vote, and 86% counted? How does that work?


Well, typically, you would either use exit polls to get a statistical answer as to who won, or realize that the precincts reporting generally are the ones with the majority of the population.

That and California does NOT vote Republican in modern times (since Reagan)
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Quixotess » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:57 am UTC

noooo no exit polls. exit polls are for demographics.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby apricity » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:57 am UTC

Kain wrote:realize that the precincts reporting generally are the ones with the majority of the population.

That's not true. The precincts with the majority of the population generally report last, since they have more votes to count and it takes longer.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Dream » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:58 am UTC

lanicita wrote:
Dream wrote:he can cry himself to sleep in one of those houses he forgot he had. Or sell one and buy a lifetime supply of booze.

I already decided he had to sell one to buy Cindy's pure gold suit.


Sure that wasn't a "contribution" from the American Goldweavers Association? Or maybe they bought him the house in the first place...
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Quixotess » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:59 am UTC

here comes the speech. I am so afraid he will die tonight. I can't get it out of my mind.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Various Varieties » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:59 am UTC

http://hasobamawonyet.com/
http://isobamapresident.com/

I remember staying up late (I'm in the UK) to watch the 2004 election (with surprisingly few others) in the common room in halls of residence at university, just after starting there. Hard to believe that was four years ago. After the election, I remember reading loads of comments online from people who were really pleased that Obama had been elected to the Senate, and I wondered why this obscure guy in Illinois was so special...

People booing McCain's speech is not unexpected, considering a couple of weeks ago they booed him for just saying "Barack Obama is a good man, but we just have different opinions." :|

Jack Saladin wrote:Anywhere online it can be watched (that isn't CNN, which won't stream to non-Americans)?

Edit: Turns out this computer doesn't have sound anyway so meh.

Little bit late now, but I think the BBC's feed is accessible internationally.

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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Jedifreak » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:00 am UTC

Kain wrote:
phlip wrote:That and California does NOT vote Republican in modern times (since Reagan)

I don't think they did even then. Lemme check... Huh. I'll be damned. They did!
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby roc314 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:01 am UTC

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Obama won!

About McCain's speech: I actually regained a lot of the respect that I had lost for him during this election during that speech. I was afraid for a moment that he would keep trying the techniques he had used during his campaign after the campaign ended. But losing gracefully, good job, McCain.

EDIT: ...especially with the call to bipartisanship.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Dream » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:05 am UTC

roc314 wrote:WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I was afraid for a moment that he would keep trying the techniques he had used during his campaign after the campaign ended.

So, just get up there and make faces for fifteen minutes?
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby roc314 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:06 am UTC

Dream wrote:
roc314 wrote:WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I was afraid for a moment that he would keep trying the techniques he had used during his campaign after the campaign ended.

So, just get up there and make faces for fifteen minutes?
I didn't say that it was a rational fear. :roll:
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby saxmaniac1987 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:12 am UTC

So in the history of lame duck presidents, how high does GWB rank?
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Noc » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:19 am UTC

Pretty lame?
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Jedifreak » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:23 am UTC

I would like to ppoint out that GWB's favorable rating was much higher than the DEMOCRAT controlled Congress.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Quixotess » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:25 am UTC

President Obama: will link his speechez thematically to Lincoln.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby roc314 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:26 am UTC

Jedifreak wrote:I would like to ppoint out that GWB's favorable rating was much higher than the DEMOCRAT controlled Congress.
Historically, the president almost always has a significantly higher approval rating than congress. This isn't really indicative of anything about Bush or Congress.

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Quixotess wrote:President Obama: will link his speechez thematically to Lincoln.
Lincoln was a good parallel for many reasons. Both are from Illinois, the Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln is generally regarded as bringing significant change to the country, etc., etc. Either way, excellent speech by the new president elect.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Not an Evil Robot » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:27 am UTC

Quixotess wrote:
Not an Evil Robot wrote:Oh man, the crazyness is over?

Fuck no the craziness in't over. We're just getting started.


...Actually, my fears have immediately switched from "Obama will lose the election tonight" to "Obama will be assassinated while he is giving his acceptance speech tonight."

Also to "there will be some sort of riot on my campus tonight."

By crazyness I was generally refering to the way things are right now.
I also had the fear that he would get assassinated, looks like he made it through the speech. Hopefully he'll live up to our hopes.

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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Kain » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:28 am UTC

lanicita wrote:
Kain wrote:realize that the precincts reporting generally are the ones with the majority of the population.

That's not true. The precincts with the majority of the population generally report last, since they have more votes to count and it takes longer.


Well, maybe it is not true in a general sense, but it is true regarding florida, at least... excluding dade county, of course.


And Jedifreak, I was surprised when I first learned that California had backed Reagan. Then again, it kind of makes sense.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Jedifreak » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:31 am UTC

roc314 wrote:
Jedifreak wrote:I would like to ppoint out that GWB's favorable rating was much higher than the DEMOCRAT controlled Congress.
Historically, the president almost always has a significantly higher approval rating than congress. This isn't really indicative of anything about Bush or Congress.


That's a very good point. I'm just sick of people complaining about Bush when it could have been far worse, especially considering we got attacked by Islamic Terrorists very early in his first term
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby SJ Zero » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:38 am UTC

You guys finally managed to get over the fear that has dominated politics since 2001 and did the right thing.

Good on you. The world has seen what has happened today, and I honestly believe we're going to see a change in the climate of the world economy, a slow but steady return of America's prestige and reputation in the world which will lead to it once again being the strongest economy in the world without sleights of hand or tricks.

I'm hopefull that we might actually see a better day tomorrow.

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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby frezik » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:40 am UTC

Jedifreak wrote:I would like to ppoint out that GWB's favorable rating was much higher than the DEMOCRAT controlled Congress.


1) Congress is a collective body, not a single individual. What matters is the ratings of individual congresscritters in their home district, because that's how the system is supposed to work. With that in mind . . .
2) The 2006 midterms were basically a referendum on pushing back against Bush, which ended up not really working due to fillibusters and other deadlock tactics. Which explains why . . .
3) The current congressional race looks to extend the Democratic majority, not reduce or extinguish it, which is inexplicable if people were really fed up with a Democrat controlled congress rather than just fed up with deadlock.
4) Comparing Bush's approval rating and congress' is like seeing a pile of dog poo and a pile of cat poo, and declaring that the cat poo is better.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:42 am UTC

Jedifreak wrote:I'm just sick of people complaining about Bush when it could have been far worse

You mean like, "Stop complaining about Bush, at least he isn't Hitler!", or what?

The fact that something could have been worse is no reason to sit back and acquiesce to it.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Rey » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:43 am UTC

Any one know whats going on in North Carolina?
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Postby lorenith » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:44 am UTC

Someone posted this over in another forum I read.

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Also with North Carolina, they've been at 50:50 for a long time now (and the yahoo map has it with 99% of precincts reporting in).

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lorenith wrote:Someone posted this over in another forum I read.

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Postby Rey » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:49 am UTC

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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby Joeldi » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:53 am UTC

Well, congrats to everyone who's happy about this. I haven't been following it closely enough to know what Obama's plan for America will look like, but I hope it results in a country I don't feel the need to wince, smirk or sneer at anymore.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner

Postby frezik » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:53 am UTC

phlip wrote:Can someone explain something for me, about how American elections work?

In particular, I'm looking at this results site, and have been for most of the day...

How can they say that, say, California is an Obama win, with only 4% of the votes counted (I assume that's what "precincts reporting" means), and Obama with a very small edge over McCain (49 and a bit% vs 49 and a bit%)... but can't call, say, Georgia, which has McCain at 58% of the vote, and 86% counted? How does that work?


No need to bring in exit poll data, just an estimation of the margin of error in the current results. On that site right now, California is giving Obama a 13 point lead with 15 percent of precincts reporting. If those precincts are even close to being a representitive sample, there's no way McCain will overcome a 13 point lead. Keep in mind that most general polling is done with less than 1% of the population and often comes out with a 2-3% margin of error. Statstics allow this as long as you have a representitive sample.

OTOH, if you look at Indiana 99% of precincts have reported, but Obama only has a 0.6% lead; so close to the margin of error that every vote will need to be counted before anything can be called for sure (not that this can be reasonably expected to change the result).
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