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Re: News in brief

Postby CorruptUser » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:22 am UTC

elasto wrote:but it seems to me that something like calculus is a more appropriate skill to be taught at degree level rather than in high school - ie. once it's known it will be directly useful to your career.

I'd way prefer that high school focus on real-life useful skills like, I dunno, the power of compound interest to make you rich or poor, or how to fact-check political arguments.


And most people will never use the things they learn in Earth Science/Geology, Chemistry, Biology, etc, and arguably less often than Calculus. Might as well extend that to History, English (sadly), Music, Art, and so on. But we still teach those things, because at 14 years old people don't know what they want to do, and should be given a basic education in a wide variety of subjects just in case.


And if I was dictator of Earth, I'd ship all the useless office drones into space, but only after I have one engineer develop a self-sanitizing phone.

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Re: News in brief

Postby Zamfir » Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:57 am UTC

The discussion is getting out of the topic ("News in brief"), but it would be awfully late to get started on calculus for the first time not until you are a freshman in uni.

I that really true though, or more true than for other topics? Calculus seems to have a fairly unique position among high school subjects.
- Quite a lot of time and effort is spent on it, especially in higher tracks
- It's a useful tool, more than general knowledge. The existence and the very basics of calculus might be considered general knowledge, but there's a lot of math that seems just as relevant in that regard
- It's very specific. If you don't move on to certain careers, you'll never use the tool
- the above holds across a surprisingly wide range of countries and education systems

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Re: News in brief

Postby elasto » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:03 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:And most people will never use the things they learn in Earth Science/Geology, Chemistry, Biology, etc, and arguably less often than Calculus. Might as well extend that to History, English (sadly), Music, Art, and so on.

Agreed. A lot of the detail could be trimmed from those subjects too. People should be learning core principles, not rote memorising facts which then get forgotten the day after the exam.

But we still teach those things, because at 14 years old people don't know what they want to do, and should be given a basic education in a wide variety of subjects just in case.

I agree we should give a basic education in a variety of subjects. Just apparently we disagree about the definition of 'basic'.

I think school should be less about cramming in facts and obscure skills, and more about learning how to learn.

Also, I agree that 14yo is too young for people know what they want to do, but I disagree that the answer therefore is to teach them everything. I think a much better answer is lifelong free academic education - people should be allowed to learn anything at any time.

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(As Zamfir says, let's leave the discussion here now. We should open a new thread if we want to discuss it in further detail)

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Re: News in brief

Postby Zamfir » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:23 am UTC

http://echochamber.me/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=121277#p4134115
I made a continuation thread for the education topics.

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Re: News in brief

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Re: News in brief

Postby Liri » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:11 pm UTC

This is cool.

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Re: News in brief

Postby pogrmman » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:59 pm UTC

The Gambia is being invaded by a troops backed by Senegal, Nigeria, and Ghana to enforce the results of an election conducted at the end of last year.

The winner of said election was sworn in today in Dhaka in Senegal.

Supposedly, the leader of The Gambia's army doesn't want to fight back.

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Re: News in brief

Postby HES » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:07 am UTC

I wouldn't really use the word "invade". A new president was elected, UN backed security forces are removing the old president from power. The only resistance is likely to be from the former president's elite guard.
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Re: News in brief

Postby pogrmman » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:44 am UTC

HES wrote:I wouldn't really use the word "invade". A new president was elected, UN backed security forces are removing the old president from power. The only resistance is likely to be from the former president's elite guard.


I'd still use "invasion" -- they are entering the territory of another nation. Yes, they aren't really going to face resistance, but I'd still classify it as such.

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Re: News in brief

Postby sardia » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:10 am UTC

pogrmman wrote:
HES wrote:I wouldn't really use the word "invade". A new president was elected, UN backed security forces are removing the old president from power. The only resistance is likely to be from the former president's elite guard.


I'd still use "invasion" -- they are entering the territory of another nation. Yes, they aren't really going to face resistance, but I'd still classify it as such.

I'd only call it an invasion if they lose.

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Re: News in brief

Postby HES » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:16 am UTC

pogrmman wrote:I'd still use "invasion" -- they are entering the territory of another nation. Yes, they aren't really going to face resistance, but I'd still classify it as such.

It's not so much the resistance part, as the "with support of the legitimate president" part. But it's semantics really, you can justify use of the term.
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Re: News in brief

Postby elasto » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:30 pm UTC

ahammel wrote:Obama has commuted Chelsea Manning's sentence. She'll be out in May.

The Guardian wrote:On Thursday Obama cut short the prison terms of 330 people, the majority of whom were convicted of federal drug crimes.

During the president’s second term, he exercised his presidential power to grant clemency liberally, particularly for those convicted of nonviolent drug crimes. In addition to raising Obama’s total tally of sentences shortened, Thursday’s flood of commutations is the most any US president has issued in a single day.

Obama has commuted more people’s sentences than the last 13 presidents combined, according to the White House. In total, Obama commuted the sentences of 1,715 people, include more than 560 who were serving life sentences.

Obama has also pardoned 212 people during his time in office, the White House said.

I think Obama was a well-intentioned and thoroughly decent person, but just not as good at the political game as some - probably because he lacked the ruthless edge that you need to get results.

Trump clearly has that ruthlessness, but the same political machinery that dulled Obama's good intentions will hopefully also blunt Trump's worst excesses...

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Re: News in brief

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Re: News in brief

Postby Angua » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:05 pm UTC

pogrmman wrote:They've found people alive after the avalanche in Italy. 20 people are still missing, 4 are dead.

They lit a fire under a collapsed section of roof to stay warm.

That's great news.
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Re: News in brief

Postby Thesh » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:06 pm UTC

You might want to narrow your quote a little.
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Re: News in brief

Postby sardia » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:43 pm UTC

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/techn ... urity.html
Trumps phone is unsecure, and risks being compromised. Hackers could turn on his camera and microphone and record his every conversation. Republicans haven't commented on this lapse in security standards.

I think this story is a little early to blame the Republicans for hypocrisy. Yes it's a risk, but other stories need time to develop. Yes the Republicans are hypocrites, but I don't think they even know Twitter is a security risk.

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Re: News in brief

Postby WibblyWobbly » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:28 pm UTC

Doomsday Clock at 2.5 min to midnight.

Take that for what you will - overly political or less alarmed than they should be? First time it's been moved a non-integer number of minutes, and the second-closest it's been to midnight since 1953, I think. That was just US/USSR H-bomb tests, though. The half-minute is apparently because Trump is just getting started, so there's room for growth (shrinkage?) in our future. Well, if the apocalypse does come, we can rest assured it will be the best, most effective apocalypse anyone has ever seen. I mean, some people think the Permian-Triassic extinction was a big deal, but America is going to make it look like a mild cough. Sad.

Or something. I'm just rambling right now.

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Re: News in brief

Postby ucim » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:33 am UTC

sardia wrote:Trumps phone is unsecure, and risks being compromised. Hackers could turn on his camera and microphone and record his every conversation.
I don't see the problem. It's not a private server. [/sarcasm]

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Re: News in brief

Postby sardia » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:49 am UTC

ucim wrote:
sardia wrote:Trumps phone is unsecure, and risks being compromised. Hackers could turn on his camera and microphone and record his every conversation.
I don't see the problem. It's not a private server. [/sarcasm]

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Re: News in brief

Postby Tyndmyr » Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:04 am UTC

sardia wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/technology/donald-trump-phone-social-media-security.html
Trumps phone is unsecure, and risks being compromised. Hackers could turn on his camera and microphone and record his every conversation. Republicans haven't commented on this lapse in security standards.

I think this story is a little early to blame the Republicans for hypocrisy. Yes it's a risk, but other stories need time to develop. Yes the Republicans are hypocrites, but I don't think they even know Twitter is a security risk.


Obama's phone had the same issue, he didn't wanna swap, so they tricked him out with a custom, secured version. http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/22/technology/security/nsa-obama-blackberry/

I presume something similar will be done for Trump. Seems like...a lot of money for just one phone, I guess, but yknow, president.

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Re: News in brief

Postby Zohar » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:54 pm UTC

It's a more modern world and the president needs to be more connected. I'm not bothered with the NSA spending more money on giving the president better tools to manage his life, that's to be expected. The same needs to be done for Trump, but until there's a satisfactory solution, he needs to use the existing one that's already been approved - ditch his phone, switch to Obama's blackberry.
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