The Great Hippo wrote:You really need to check your language. 'Volunteer' implies consent, and again, you're calling rape victims 'dumbasses', when it's already been explained to you precisely why people make the choices you've described as 'stupid'.tetromino wrote:Sure, you have a right to not be murdered, robbed, or raped. Guess what? Some people simply don't care about your rights. They will murder, rob, or rape you, given the right risk/benefit ratio. If you knowingly walk into a situation where you will likely encounter a person who will go ahead and violate your right, they are responsible for the crime, but you are still a dumbass for volunteering to become their victim.
I am using the word "volunteer" in the sense of making a choice to do something (on the part of the victim). And I am talking about situations where you make a deliberate choice to walk into a dangerous situation.
As for your explanations - if I understand it right, you claimed that a woman who is drunk, walking in a dark alley, on high heels, is not a dumbass because society pressures her into heavy drinking and silly footwear, and that she might want to walk home alone from the party to avoid her dangerous acquaintance. To which I reply with a simple question, why walk through that dark alley? Why not walk along wide well-lit streets, or take a bus, or call a cab? There is nothing wrong with drinking (in general). Or high heels (in general). Or walking at night. But combine those three factors with an environment where there are no witnesses, low visibility, no-one to hear her, and no room to escape... Unless, of course, that alley is the only way she can get home, in which case, she has my sympathy.
TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:In the exact same goddamned post that you just
quotedsummarized in two words, sophy affirmed having done every part of your list of bad ideas, and never having been raped in the process. The fact is, the things that you think are blameworthy really are done by reasonable people all the time.
Because every time you do something risky, the worst possible outcome happens, right? I am happy that she was lucky. Others might not be.
Getting raped does not render you blameless. Getting raped fails to impart any blame on you, by virtue of the fact that you are not the rapist.
Different definitions of the word "blame". I love the English language. Again: by virtue of the fact that you are not a rapist, you are not responsible for what happens. But if what happened occurred as a result of a foolish choice that you had made, you might deserve censure (but again, not responsibility).
tetromino wrote:Actually, in the US, in only 29% of rape cases are both the victim and the perpetrator sober. Not getting drunk, and not being around people who get unpredictable when drunk, is one good way to decrease your chances of becoming a victim (and not only of rape, but of other crimes too).
Is that a percentage of reported rapes?
The number is from the Wikipedia rape article. Here's a link to the study in the footnotes (I have not read it): http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/Simila ... actics.pdf