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On our way to IRL Fahrenheit 451.....

Postby Aikanaro » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:57 pm UTC

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/22/wiscon ... index.html

CNN wrote: (CNN) -- A fight over books depicting sex and homosexuality has riled up a small Wisconsin city, cost some library board members their positions and prompted a call for a public book burning.
Jim and Ginny Maziarka lost the first round of their book challenge, but they expect to try again.

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The battle has stirred much of West Bend, a city of roughly 30,000 people about 35 miles north of Milwaukee. Residents have sparred for months on blogs, airwaves and at meetings, including one where a man told the city's library director he should be tarred and feathered.

The row even spread to this year's Fourth of July parade, which included a float featuring a washing machine and a sign that read "keep our library clean."

"If you told me we would be going through a book challenge of this nature, I'd think, 'Never in a million years,' " said Michael Tyree, director of the West Bend Community Memorial Library.

The strife began in February when West Bend couple Jim and Ginny Maziarka objected to some of the content in the city library's young-adult section. They later petitioned the library board to move any sexually explicit books -- the definition of which would be debated -- from the young-adult section to the adult section and to label them as sexually explicit.

Ginny Maziarka, 49, said the books in the section of the library aimed at children aged 12 to 18 included homosexual and heterosexual content she thought was inappropriate for youths.

She and her husband also asked the library to obtain books about homosexuality that affirmed heterosexuality, such as titles written by "ex-gays," Maziarka said.

"All the books in the young-adult zone that deal with homosexuality are gay-affirming. That's not balance," she said.

The library did not agree with the Maziarkas' suggestions, and the couple appealed to the library board. Ginny Maziarka, a mother of four, began blogging about the issue and the local newspaper picked up the dispute, sparking the opposition.

Maria Hanrahan, also a West Bend mom, set up a rival blog to argue the other side.

"I'm against any other party telling me what's appropriate for my child and what isn't," said Hanrahan, 40, who also created a West Bend Parents for Free Speech group. "We don't mean to say these are appropriate for everyone, but we don't feel they should be set apart from other materials or restricted from the young-adult section."

By this time, many more people had become caught up in the issue, which was generating heat. When Hanrahan appeared on a local radio, callers attacked her views, she said.

"People were being very passionate on both sides of the issue. I think it divided the community a little bit," she said.

With the debate raging, the city council voted in April against renewing the terms of four library board members, in part because council members thought the board was dragging its feet, library director Tyree said.

The Maziarkas were still fighting to have books moved, having identified 82 questionable titles -- more than double their original list. Then they stopped targeting a list of books and circulated a petition that asked the board to label and move to the adult section any "youth-targeted pornographic books" -- including books that describe sex acts in a way unsuitable for minors. The books could still be checked out freely by anyone.

"We're not talking about educational material. We're talking raunchy sex acts," Maziarka said.

One book she objects to is "The Perks of Being a Wallflower," in which a fictional teenage boy tells about his freshman year in high school, including rape and homosexual and heterosexual sex between teens.

Tyree said book excerpts found on Maziarka's blog had been taken out of context and, in the case of "Wallflower," the criticism missed some of the book's points.

"In this book, there were consequences of ... rape, of indiscriminate sex. Those were not portrayed so glowingly," he said.

By the time the library board met on June 2, each side had collected more than 1,000 signatures backing their position. Dozens of residents spoke at the meeting before the board -- still including the outgoing members -- unanimously voted to keep all policies the same.

The demand to move the books was always going to be problematic because no authority has determined that any of the titles are pornographic or obscene, Tyree said.

Book challenges aren't new. More than 500 were reported in the United States in 2008, mostly in schools and public libraries, Deborah Caldwell-Stone of the American Library Association said.

But this one was attracting extra attention. Caldwell-Stone, who monitored the dispute, said moving any young-adult book to the adult section would have been a form of censorship, even if teens were free to check them out.

"The whole intent was shelving books not on the basis of age or reading ability, but because they disapprove of the content with the intent of restricting access. That's a burden on First Amendment rights," Caldwell-Stone said.

Outside West Bend, the fight caught the attention of Robert Braun, who, with three other Milwaukee-area men, filed a claim against West Bend calling for one of the library's books to be publicly burned, along with financial damages.

The four plaintiffs -- who describe themselves as "elderly" in their complaint --- claim their "mental and emotional well-being was damaged by [the] book at the library."

The claim, unconnected to the Maziarkas, says the book "Baby Be-bop" -- a fictional piece about a homosexual teenager -- is "explicitly vulgar, racial and anti-Christian."

Braun, who says he is president of a Milwaukee group called the Christian Civil Liberties Union, said he singled out the book because it "goes way over the line" with offensive language and descriptions of sex acts.

The call for burning the book showed his passion, Braun, 74, said. "I don't sit on the fence when I do these things. When I make a decision to speak up on something, I go for it."

The ALA will help the library oppose the claim if it goes forward, Caldwell-Stone said, adding she felt that was unlikely because "it has very little basis in law."

Back in West Bend, the Maziarkas and their supporters are gearing up for another go at the library, in part because the board now has its four new members. They do not want books burned, but they do want action.

"We want parents to decide whether they want their children to have access to these books ... and we want the library's help in identifying [them through labeling and moving]," Maziarka said. "It's just common sense."


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Re: On our way to IRL Fahrenheit 451.....

Postby SummerGlauFan » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:00 pm UTC

*Epic facepalm*

Now my face hurts.

Also, there's such a thing as "ex-gays?"
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Postby The Reaper » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:02 pm UTC

I demand a public "Robert Braun" burning.

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Postby Intercept » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:05 pm UTC

Not really.
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Re: On our way to IRL Fahrenheit 451.....

Postby Aetius » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:22 pm UTC

SummerGlauFan wrote:*Epic facepalm*

Now my face hurts.

Also, there's such a thing as "ex-gays?"


Bisexuals with self discipline. And/or psychological ticking time bombs. Either way you're right in that their orientation hasn't changed a bit.

On topic: What about young kids who are advanced readers? Are they planning on barring children from entering the adult section once the books are moved? I remember reading about alligator sex in Jurassic Park when I was nine, and pretty much written porn in the newer James Bond books a year later.

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Postby TheGrammarBolshevik » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:37 pm UTC

TFA wrote:... Christian Civil Liberties Union ...


Like the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea, this is one of those phrases where a bunch of good-sounding words come together to nullify their individual meanings.

Is there an antonym for "synergy"?
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Postby The Reaper » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:39 pm UTC

TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:Is there an antonym for "synergy"?
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Postby Aikanaro » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:41 pm UTC

Cancellation? Nullification, as you used? Wiktionary also lists anergy.
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Re: On our way to IRL Fahrenheit 451.....

Postby markfiend » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:43 pm UTC

TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:Is there an antonym for "synergy"?

Dysergy I believe.

On topic: If I don't like a book, I don't read it. I don't call for it to be burned.
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Re: On our way to IRL Fahrenheit 451.....

Postby TheGirlWhoStoleTheHat » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:43 pm UTC

What the devil is the matter with some people... :roll:

Demonising sex isn't going to do anyone any good in the long run. See thread on teen abstinence.

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Postby TheGrammarBolshevik » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:46 pm UTC

Aikanaro wrote:Cancellation? Nullification, as you used? Wiktionary also lists anergy.


It lists "anergy" as an economic antonym. The definition they give also has nothing to do with synergy. There ought to be a word for it, though, so I am proclaiming a new and proper definition for anergy.

The Russian Social Democratic Grammar Party can do that, you know.

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Postby Aikanaro » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:56 pm UTC

TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:
Aikanaro wrote:Cancellation? Nullification, as you used? Wiktionary also lists anergy.


It lists "anergy" as an economic antonym. The definition they give also has nothing to do with synergy. There ought to be a word for it, though, so I am proclaiming a new and proper definition for anergy.

The Russian Social Democratic Grammar Party can do that, you know.

And, since ninja'd: markfiend is now my hero.

Sadly, that is exactly what I planned on happening. No, really, that's why I posted the link. :lol:
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Postby Shivahn » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:01 pm UTC

Just so you know, anergy actually has a specific meaning pretty similar to what you want. At least figuratively...

When the body makes T cells, if something goes wrong at certain points, it can go into anergy, which basically means it's paralyzed. Somewhat similar to nullification like Aikanaro used.

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Postby Mega D » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:09 pm UTC

"All the books in the young-adult zone that deal with homosexuality are gay-affirming. That's not balance," she said.


I am so sick of this word, "balance". It was such a nice word before Rupert Murdoch got his filthy hands on it.

Just two days ago I went to the local university to talk with library and information science department about starting in the program. Now I'm wondering what the hell I was thinking.

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Postby Belial » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:14 pm UTC

Mega D wrote:
"All the books in the young-adult zone that deal with homosexuality are gay-affirming. That's not balance," she said.


I am so sick of this word, "balance". It was such a nice word before Rupert Murdoch got his filthy hands on it.


"All the books in the young-adult zone that deal with racial minorities are black-people-affirming! That's not balance! We need some racism!"
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Postby natraj » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:36 pm UTC

Aw, I absolutely loved Baby Be-bop (and all Francesca Lia Block's Weetzie Bat books) as a kid. They were pretty awes-- Oh me yarm I turned out queer. I bet it's cuz of those terrible gay affirming books. :(

... actually I think reading books like that helped me not want to kill myself when everyone at home and school and all was extremely anti-gay.
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natraj wrote:Aw, I absolutely loved Baby Be-bop (and all Francesca Lia Block's Weetzie Bat books) as a kid. They were pretty awes-- Oh me yarm I turned out queer. I bet it's cuz of those terrible gay affirming books. :(

... actually I think reading books like that helped me not want to kill myself when everyone at home and school and all was extremely anti-gay.

Gay affirming books are pro-life books? that's gonna shatter some world views.

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Postby SummerGlauFan » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:42 pm UTC

The Reaper wrote:
natraj wrote:Aw, I absolutely loved Baby Be-bop (and all Francesca Lia Block's Weetzie Bat books) as a kid. They were pretty awes-- Oh me yarm I turned out queer. I bet it's cuz of those terrible gay affirming books. :(

... actually I think reading books like that helped me not want to kill myself when everyone at home and school and all was extremely anti-gay.

Gay affirming books are pro-life books? that's gonna shatter some world views.


I think the universe might unravel now.

I also love their apparent definition of "balance," which is apparently "anything we agree with, and nothing we dislike." After all, balance is all one-sided, right?

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Postby General_Norris » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:43 pm UTC

Look clsoely at the article, this is the worst part IMHO.

" She and her husband also asked the library to obtain books about homosexuality that affirmed heterosexuality, such as titles written by "ex-gays,"

This is the same thing creacionist seek, create a debate where there's nothing.

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General_Norris wrote:Look clsoely at the article, this is the worst part IMHO.

" She and her husband also asked the library to obtain books about homosexuality that affirmed heterosexuality, such as titles written by "ex-gays,"

This is the same thing creacionist seek, create a debate where there's nothing.

As long as they go in the fiction section, I see nothing wrong with it.
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Postby The Great Hippo » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:57 pm UTC

Mega D wrote:
"All the books in the young-adult zone that deal with homosexuality are gay-affirming. That's not balance," she said.


I am so sick of this word, "balance". It was such a nice word before Rupert Murdoch got his filthy hands on it.


This is how balance works:

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Postby General_Norris » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:05 pm UTC

^hahaha, cool.

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The Great Hippo wrote:Image Image
I see. The first one is the one that promotes homosexuality, yes?

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Postby Dream » Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:44 pm UTC

The Reaper wrote:I see. The first one is the one that promotes homosexuality, yes?

Now that you mention it, that cooking cover has some seriously phallic imagery going on... which makes people gay, of course.
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Postby TheGrammarBolshevik » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:13 pm UTC

s/people/men/
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Postby Sero » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:46 pm UTC

"She and her husband also asked the library to obtain books about homosexuality that affirmed heterosexuality, such as titles written by "ex-gays,"


Huh. You know, that's actually a creative bit of wording. I mean, the 'ex-gays' thing is enough of a warning sign, to be sure, but without that warning flag, that might be reasonable sounding. Which makes me glad for that same warning flag, as "books about homosexuality that affirmed heterosexuality" is semantically equal to "books that condemn homosexuality". Balancing positive minority portrayal with racial supremacist texts indeed.
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Postby TheSkyMovesSideways » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:48 pm UTC

Damn ninjas, this was supposed to be in reply to Dream and TGB.

Whereas the bacon and lack of phallic imagery in the second image would make women gay?
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TheSkyMovesSideways wrote:Damn ninjas, this was supposed to be in reply to Dream and TGB.

Whereas the bacon and lack of phallic imagery in the second image would make women gay?

Hmm, possibly.
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possibly meat curtains in an eating reference. may be inferring to munch some rug. Also, the character portrayed seems kinda feminine.

the references on the first one, aside from what looks like 2 men.
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sausage, summer sausage, jam on bread (could be thought of as buttered bread, or "I'll butter your bread"), chicken (cock), sperm shaped music notes, 2 poop references (both pudding), the long and robust pastry of some sort (I dont have my cookbook here for the exact name of it), the only thing I don't see a reference to is the delicious cake, which is probably a lie.

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Postby Heavenlytoaster » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:31 am UTC

The Reaper wrote:
Spoiler:
sausage, summer sausage, jam on bread (could be thought of as buttered bread, or "I'll butter your bread"), chicken (cock), sperm shaped music notes, 2 poop references (both pudding), the long and robust pastry of some sort (I dont have my cookbook here for the exact name of it), the only thing I don't see a reference to is the delicious cake, which is probably a lie.


Isn't that a cake on the pedestal on the center-left?

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Postby scrovak » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:06 am UTC

Despite being a writer by profession, and having quite the way with words, I lack the capacity to explain how pissed off this makes me. I am absolutely infuriated. It all comes down to parenting again. These bastards of eloquent thought would rather have the libraries and governments (state, federal) do their parenting for them. If they don't want their kid reading something, don't let them read it. It is not the library's responsibility, job, duty, or even right, to control what your child sees/hears/reads in accordance with your personal beliefs. Fuck off, be a goddamned parent for once. And is anyone else bothered by the fact that these elderly blokes were reading stuff from the 'young adult' section, and then complained they didn't like it? It's for young adults, it goes through thoughts and emotions and confusion they face on a daily basis. How could a bunch of old chaps even pretend to relate?
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I find the guy who wants to claim damages for reading a book he didn't like hilarious. I'm imagining the librarians tying him to a chair and reading it aloud, with breaks to cackle maniacally.

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EmptySet wrote:I find the guy who wants to claim damages for reading a book he didn't like hilarious. I'm imagining the librarians tying him to a chair and reading it aloud, with breaks to cackle maniacally.

...

"Now, Mr Bond... I shall read a passage with homoerotic subtext! Mwaha! Mwahahahahahahahaaaaa!"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOO!"



Hahahaha I love it. All the while his poor old man-ness weak and fragile. And while the book was read, no one wore pants.
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scrovak wrote:
EmptySet wrote:I find the guy who wants to claim damages for reading a book he didn't like hilarious. I'm imagining the librarians tying him to a chair and reading it aloud, with breaks to cackle maniacally.

...

"Now, Mr Bond... I shall read a passage with homoerotic subtext! Mwaha! Mwahahahahahahahaaaaa!"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOO!"



Hahahaha I love it. All the while his poor old man-ness weak and fragile. And while the book was read, no one wore pants.


There have to be heavy Russian accents, too. He's probably still stuck in the Cold War, so all the sweeter.
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TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:Is there an antonym for "synergy"?

Well the opposite of "synonym" is "antonym", so how about "antergy"?

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Postby Sharlos » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:18 am UTC

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Postby NightStar » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:44 am UTC

Seriously, young adults can get books from anywhere in the library. The most intelligent ones have probably already skipped the young-adult section. And should their library tell them, "Sorry, fascists concerned parents have forbidden us to provide that book to you", I'm sure Amazon.com will give it to them at a ridiculously low price. Sure, not as accessible, but still accessible.

Somebody should make that old guy read House of Leaves... he'd have an aneurysm within 50 pages.
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Postby Prefanity » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:34 am UTC

The Reaper wrote:the long and robust pastry of some sort (I dont have my cookbook here for the exact name of it)


That would be a roulade.

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Re: On our way to IRL Fahrenheit 451.....

Postby winegums » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:16 pm UTC

Perhaps the library could move the offending books from the young adults section to the adult section, and instead leave a large sign in the young adults section for the teenagers detailing every book deemed too raunchy for them...

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Re: On our way to IRL Fahrenheit 451.....

Postby Griffmo » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:37 pm UTC

As someone who works part time at a library and a big supporter of it, I find it sad that we live in an age when forming your own opinion is something to frown upon. Although it does give me an excuse to upgrade the library from a DOS server...
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Re: On our way to IRL Fahrenheit 451.....

Postby Diadem » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:01 pm UTC

By the by, why is someone aged 12-18 called a 'young adult'. It's not an adult! A young adult would be someone between 18 and 30 or so. 12-18 would be a 'young almost-but-not-quite-adult'.
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