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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby TheKrikkitWars » Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:15 am UTC

This figure gave me a little clarification:

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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby Telchar » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:44 am UTC

It may be true that LSD could cause latent mental disorders to be present earlier than without, or it may cause them itself. We just don't have the ability to know which it is.

In any case, it's a relatively mild drug. PCP is much worse, not just in it's outlier effects, but in the way it works as a anti-dopaminergic, similar to ketamine. And it's not even the worse psychadelic.

One other question I have, why differentiate street before methadone? Arn't we assuming unsupervised use for all of these?
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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby The Reaper » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:37 pm UTC

The Economist's take on the matter: http://www.economist.com/opinion/displa ... extfeature

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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby psychosomaticism » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:54 pm UTC

The Reaper wrote:The Economist's take on the matter: http://www.economist.com/opinion/displa ... extfeature


Hm. In light of that article, I think I'll lower my criticism of him a little bit (not too much, the solvent thing still gets me). A scientist/expert really should have a bit more security than to worry about an unpopular opinion killing their career, especially when there's evidence behind it. However, the drug policy crowd is a dangerous place to be a researcher, and I'm sure he knew this. It really does seem like there's a bit split between public perception and social effects of a drug vs the actual physical effects of a drug that needs to be remedied a lot.

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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby apeman5291 » Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:03 am UTC

psychosomaticism wrote:Hm. In light of that article, I think I'll lower my criticism of him a little bit (not too much, the solvent thing still gets me).

You realize, then, that you're no better than the British gov't in this situation?
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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby psychosomaticism » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:58 am UTC

apeman5291 wrote:
psychosomaticism wrote:Hm. In light of that article, I think I'll lower my criticism of him a little bit (not too much, the solvent thing still gets me).

You realize, then, that you're no better than the British gov't in this situation?


Eh? I thought the British gov't was firing him because he said things they didn't like; this isn't what I meant by that. I said I was reconsidering my opinion of him, in that I thought he was putting unrealistic danger labels on drugs, when really he was of the thinking that Britain's drug laws aren't based in scientific research.

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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby apeman5291 » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:22 am UTC

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apeman5291 wrote:
psychosomaticism wrote:Hm. In light of that article, I think I'll lower my criticism of him a little bit (not too much, the solvent thing still gets me).

You realize, then, that you're no better than the British gov't in this situation?


Eh? I thought the British gov't was firing him because he said things they didn't like; this isn't what I meant by that. I said I was reconsidering my opinion of him, in that I thought he was putting unrealistic danger labels on drugs, when really he was of the thinking that Britain's drug laws aren't based in scientific research.

Oh, then I fail at reading comprehension. :oops:
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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby psychosomaticism » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:24 am UTC

apeman5291 wrote:
psychosomaticism wrote:
apeman5291 wrote:
psychosomaticism wrote:Hm. In light of that article, I think I'll lower my criticism of him a little bit (not too much, the solvent thing still gets me).

You realize, then, that you're no better than the British gov't in this situation?


Eh? I thought the British gov't was firing him because he said things they didn't like; this isn't what I meant by that. I said I was reconsidering my opinion of him, in that I thought he was putting unrealistic danger labels on drugs, when really he was of the thinking that Britain's drug laws aren't based in scientific research.

Oh, then I fail at reading comprehension. :oops:

Hey, no worries; I was initially worried I had said the opposite of what I had intended, and it was probably good to clarify my wording.

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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby el_loco_avs » Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:15 am UTC

Hm. Khat it is then.
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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby Zamfir » Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:18 am UTC

el_loco_avs wrote:Hm. Khat it is then.

But that's boring.

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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby stapleface » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:45 pm UTC

Ixtellor wrote:1) Ectasy. I don't use illegal drugs and have not for a very very long time. But if you must use drugs, I highly recommend Ectasy. Drink lots of water and you will be fine.


stop that. drink enough to replace whatever you lose, which is sound advice for pretty much every activity.

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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby The Reaper » Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:20 pm UTC

stapleface wrote:
Ixtellor wrote:1) Ectasy. I don't use illegal drugs and have not for a very very long time. But if you must use drugs, I highly recommend Ectasy. Drink lots of water and you will be fine.
stop that. drink enough to replace whatever you lose, which is sound advice for pretty much every activity.
Spoiler:
lol@taking 1 tablet and then drowning.
Yea, too much water is bad for you. Its not something that only happens for people on drugs, however, it also happens for soldiers and athletes and anyone else that drinks too much dihydrogen monoxide. Shits bad for you, yo.

Best advice for drugs and anything else that exists: do it in moderation.

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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby Cynical Idealist » Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:14 pm UTC

The Reaper wrote:
stapleface wrote:
Ixtellor wrote:1) Ectasy. I don't use illegal drugs and have not for a very very long time. But if you must use drugs, I highly recommend Ectasy. Drink lots of water and you will be fine.
stop that. drink enough to replace whatever you lose, which is sound advice for pretty much every activity.
Spoiler:
lol@taking 1 tablet and then drowning.
Yea, too much water is bad for you. Its not something that only happens for people on drugs, however, it also happens for soldiers and athletes and anyone else that drinks too much dihydrogen monoxide. Shits bad for you, yo.

Best advice for drugs and anything else that exists: do it in moderation.

Regarding the spoiler: its water toxicity, not drowning.

Regarding doing everything in moderation: excellent advice.
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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby The Reaper » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:52 pm UTC

Cynical Idealist wrote:
The Reaper wrote:
stapleface wrote:
Ixtellor wrote:1) Ectasy. I don't use illegal drugs and have not for a very very long time. But if you must use drugs, I highly recommend Ectasy. Drink lots of water and you will be fine.
stop that. drink enough to replace whatever you lose, which is sound advice for pretty much every activity.
Spoiler:
lol@taking 1 tablet and then drowning.
Yea, too much water is bad for you. Its not something that only happens for people on drugs, however, it also happens for soldiers and athletes and anyone else that drinks too much dihydrogen monoxide. Shits bad for you, yo.

Best advice for drugs and anything else that exists: do it in moderation.

Regarding the spoiler: its water toxicity, not drowning.

Regarding doing everything in moderation: excellent advice.
Paracelsus wrote:All things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose permits something not to be poisonous.

Semantics. Death by water inside your body is still death by water inside your body.

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Re: David Nutt's drug rankings

Postby Cynical Idealist » Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:10 am UTC

The Reaper wrote:<quote pyramid snipped>
Semantics. Death by water inside your body is still death by water inside your body.


And dying from a gunshot and dying from a knife wound are the same. Death by an object penetrating your body is still death by an object penetrating your body.
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