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People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby The Reaper » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:45 am UTC

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James Cameron's completely immersive spectacle "Avatar" may have been a little too real for some fans who say they have experienced depression and suicidal thoughts after seeing the film because they long to enjoy the beauty of the alien world Pandora.

On the fan forum site "Avatar Forums," a topic thread entitled "Ways to cope with the depression of the dream of Pandora being intangible," has received more than 1,000 posts from people experiencing depression and fans trying to help them cope. The topic became so popular last month that forum administrator Philippe Baghdassarian had to create a second thread so people could continue to post their confused feelings about the movie.

"I wasn't depressed myself. In fact the movie made me happy ," Baghdassarian said. "But I can understand why it made people depressed. The movie was so beautiful and it showed something we don't have here on Earth. I think people saw we could be living in a completely different world and that caused them to be depressed."

A post by a user called Elequin expresses an almost obsessive relationship with the film.

"That's all I have been doing as of late, searching the Internet for more info about 'Avatar.' I guess that helps. It's so hard I can't force myself to think that it's just a movie, and to get over it, that living like the Na'vi will never happen. I think I need a rebound movie," Elequin posted.

A user named Mike wrote on the fan Web site "Naviblue" that he contemplated suicide after seeing the movie.
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"Ever since I went to see 'Avatar' I have been depressed. Watching the wonderful world of Pandora and all the Na'vi made me want to be one of them. I can't stop thinking about all the things that happened in the film and all of the tears and shivers I got from it," Mike posted. "I even contemplate suicide thinking that if I do it I will be rebirthed in a world similar to Pandora and the everything is the same as in 'Avatar.' "

Other fans have expressed feelings of disgust with the human race and disengagement with reality.

Cameron's movie, which has pulled in more than $1.4 billion in worldwide box office sales and could be on track to be the highest grossing film of all time, is set in the future when the Earth's resources have been pillaged by the human race. A greedy corporation is trying to mine the rare mineral unobtainium from the planet Pandora, which is inhabited by a peace-loving race of 7-foot tall, blue-skinned natives called the Na'vi.

In their race to mine for Pandora's resources, the humans clash with the Na'vi, leading to casualties on both sides. The world of Pandora is reminiscent of a prehistoric fantasyland, filled with dinosaur-like creatures mixed with the kinds of fauna you may find in the deep reaches of the ocean. Compared with life on Earth, Pandora is a beautiful, glowing utopia.

Ivar Hill posts to the "Avatar" forum page under the name Eltu. He wrote about his post-"Avatar" depression after he first saw the film earlier this month.

"When I woke up this morning after watching Avatar for the first time yesterday, the world seemed ... gray. It was like my whole life, everything I've done and worked for, lost its meaning," Hill wrote on the forum. "It just seems so ... meaningless. I still don't really see any reason to keep ... doing things at all. I live in a dying world."

Reached via e-mail in Sweden where he is studying game design, Hill, 17, explained that his feelings of despair made him desperately want to escape reality.

"One can say my depression was twofold: I was depressed because I really wanted to live in Pandora, which seemed like such a perfect place, but I was also depressed and disgusted with the sight of our world, what we have done to Earth. I so much wanted to escape reality," Hill said.

Cameron's special effects masterpiece is very lifelike, and the 3-D performance capture and CGI effects essentially allow the viewer to enter the alien world of Pandora for the movie's 2½-hour running time, which only lends to the separation anxiety some individuals experience when they depart the movie theater.

"Virtual life is not real life and it never will be, but this is the pinnacle of what we can build in a virtual presentation so far," said Dr. Stephan Quentzel, psychiatrist and Medical Director for the Louis Armstrong Center for Music and Medicine at Beth Israel Medical Center in New York. "It has taken the best of our technology to create this virtual world and real life will never be as utopian as it seems onscreen. It makes real life seem more imperfect."

Fans of the movie may find actor Stephen Lang, who plays the villainous Col. Miles Quaritch in the film, an enemy of the Na'vi people and their sacred ground, an unlikely sympathizer. But Lang says he can understand the connection people are feeling with the movie.

"Pandora is a pristine world and there is the synergy between all of the creatures of the planet and I think that strikes a deep chord within people that has a wishfulness and a wistfulness to it," Lang said. "James Cameron had the technical resources to go along with this incredibly fertile imagination of his and his dream is built out of the same things that other peoples' dreams are made of."

The bright side is that for Hill and others like him -- who became dissatisfied with their own lives and with our imperfect world after enjoying the fictional creation of James Cameron -- becoming a part of a community of like-minded people on an online forum has helped them emerge from the darkness.

"After discussing on the forums for a while now, my depression is beginning to fade away. Having taken a part in many discussions concerning all this has really, really helped me," Hill said. "Before, I had lost the reason to keep on living -- but now it feels like these feelings are gradually being replaced with others."

Quentzel said creating relationships with others is one of the keys to human happiness, and that even if those connections are occurring online they are better than nothing.

"Obviously there is community building in these forums," Quentzel said. "It may be technologically different from other community building, but it serves the same purpose."

Within the fan community, suggestions for battling feelings of depression after seeing the movie include things like playing "Avatar" video games or downloading the movie soundtrack, in addition to encouraging members to relate to other people outside the virtual realm and to seek out positive and constructive activities.
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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby aleflamedyud » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:58 am UTC

Didn't I say that this was an anti-human film designed to smack the viewer over the head with the message that You and Your Society Are Evil Nature Destroyers and Can Never Live in Ecotopia? And now there are people depressed because they can't live a savage's life in a world that doesn't exist.

Toldja so.

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby poxic » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:02 am UTC

I get temporarily saddened when I wake up from a beautiful dream (and those aren't high-def with professional soundtracks, nor do they last over two hours). I'd put it more on the level of a beautiful dream, but more vivid and longer-lasting. Sure, humans play the bad guys, but someone has to. :wink:

/disclaimer: have not seen Avatar, not sure if I will
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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Internetmeme » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:02 am UTC

This is called "taking it too seriously"
...actually, I have no room to say that, considering that I wish I were a fox.

Still. Reality is reality, and all you can do is change your perception of it. Kinda sad in a way.
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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Jahoclave » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:23 am UTC

aleflamedyud wrote:Didn't I say that this was an anti-human film designed to smack the viewer over the head with the message that You and Your Society Are Evil Nature Destroyers and Can Never Live in Ecotopia? And now there are people depressed because they can't live a savage's life in a world that doesn't exist.


On the plus side, you can still get yourself shot at by the United States Marine Corp.

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby frezik » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:27 am UTC

"I wasn't depressed myself. In fact the movie made me happy ," Baghdassarian said. "But I can understand why it made people depressed. The movie was so beautiful and it showed something we don't have here on Earth. I think people saw we could be living in a completely different world and that caused them to be depressed."


Okie dokie, people. Take a look at this:

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This is the Victoria Falls in Zambia. If you pop open any National Geographic, you'll find dozens of pictures just like this. And they're real. Save up a little money, and you can go there.
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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Jahoclave » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:29 am UTC

frezik wrote:
"I wasn't depressed myself. In fact the movie made me happy ," Baghdassarian said. "But I can understand why it made people depressed. The movie was so beautiful and it showed something we don't have here on Earth. I think people saw we could be living in a completely different world and that caused them to be depressed."


Okie dokie, people. Take a look at this:

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This is the Victoria Falls in Zambia. If you pop open any National Geographic, you'll find dozens of pictures just like this. And they're real. Save up a little money, and you can go there.

And you can live in a slum nearby for about the cost of the plane ticket for nearly a year if not more.

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Ivora » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:34 am UTC

Shortly after the movie ended, I remember feeling so... hopeless. Like nothing seems at all worth it!

I know I sound silly... talking seriously about a 3d movie... but I can't help it.

The navi have a connection with one another and their planet that... just pisses me off to no end. :cry:

I'd give anything to be one of them.

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Postby gmalivuk » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:38 am UTC

Gotta love those simple, innocent Noble Savages as they're victimized by Evil White People!

I wonder if this could motivate interest in the space program? After all, you'll never live on another world and neither will any of your descendants, ever, unless we make efforts to get beyond this one.
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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Ivora » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:42 am UTC

I'll probably never see that happan in my life time... but I wouldn't mind being reborn as an alien species on a beautiful planet.

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby SummerGlauFan » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:44 am UTC

Ok, the movie was beautiful, and had an incredible message. But for the love of all that is good and logical, don't commit suicide over it!

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Jahoclave » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:49 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:Gotta love those simple, innocent Noble Savages as they're victimized by Evil White People!

I wonder if this could motivate interest in the space program? After all, you'll never live on another world and neither will any of your descendants, ever, unless we make efforts to get beyond this one.

And don't forget, your innocent Noble Savage culture can only be saved by a kind hearted White Guy.

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Shivahn » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:49 am UTC

SummerGlauFan wrote:Ok, the movie was beautiful, and had an incredible message. But for the love of all that is good and logical, don't commit suicide over it!

If you want to live in a beautiful place, take action to make the place where you live more beautiful.


But... but that sounds hard!

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby The Reaper » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:50 am UTC

And through Genetic EngineeringTM, you too can have crazy glowy flora and fauna!

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Postby netcrusher88 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:56 am UTC

The Reaper wrote:And through Genetic EngineeringTM, you too can have crazy glowy flora and fauna!

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Postby PhoenixEnigma » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:00 am UTC

The Reaper wrote:And through Genetic EngineeringTM, you too can have crazy glowy flora and fauna!

I always thought glow-in-the-dark trees would be a good replacement for streetlights. Where's my glOak™?

That said, I wonder if this will put Avatar in the company of D&D, GTA and Harry Potter for groups of misguided parents to protest against?

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby metaphysicist » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:02 am UTC

frezik wrote:
"I wasn't depressed myself. In fact the movie made me happy ," Baghdassarian said. "But I can understand why it made people depressed. The movie was so beautiful and it showed something we don't have here on Earth. I think people saw we could be living in a completely different world and that caused them to be depressed."


This is the Victoria Falls in Zambia. If you pop open any National Geographic, you'll find dozens of pictures just like this. And they're real. Save up a little money, and you can go there.

But the floating mountains are like, a million times more spectacular! I have to admit, I really did love Pandora, my wish was that Avatar would become a TV series or something. I'm not depressed over it, but it was a world that I hope I get to see more of.

But about those mountains... am I the only physics-minded person who was super bugged by those? I don't see a possible scenario that mountains like that could stay in geostationary orbit in a planet that clearly has some kind of atmosphere. I obsessed over it so much they almost ruined the movie for me. :P
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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Jahoclave » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:03 am UTC

PhoenixEnigma wrote:
The Reaper wrote:And through Genetic EngineeringTM, you too can have crazy glowy flora and fauna!

I always thought glow-in-the-dark trees would be a good replacement for streetlights. Where's my glOak©?

That said, I wonder if this will put Avatar in the company of D&D, GTA and Harry Potter for groups of misguided parents to protest against?

You mean a pro-environment, anti-military-industrial complex message isn't enough?

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby aleflamedyud » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:07 am UTC

Ivora wrote:Shortly after the movie ended, I remember feeling so... hopeless. Like nothing seems at all worth it!

I know I sound silly... talking seriously about a 3d movie... but I can't help it.

The navi have a connection with one another and their planet that... just pisses me off to no end. :cry:

I'd give anything to be one of them.

Welcome to the real world, bro. Of course, if you'd like to find a deep, seemingly-mystical connection with someone, you could try an SO. I hear that works really well, actually. Or move somewhere warm, if want to make a connection with a beautiful part of the planet.

And now I have the song "Kan Noladti" stuck in my head, you evil bastard.

gmalivuk wrote:I wonder if this could motivate interest in the space program? After all, you'll never live on another world and neither will any of your descendants, ever, unless we make efforts to get beyond this one.

Only on condition that I get a Firefly-class transport vessel.

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Ivora » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:15 am UTC

Whats an SO? :shock:

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby LeroyBrandybuck » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:16 am UTC

Shivahn wrote:
SummerGlauFan wrote:If you want to live in a beautiful place, take action to make the place where you live more beautiful.


But... but that sounds hard!


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Postby aleflamedyud » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:27 am UTC

Ivora wrote:Whats an SO? :shock:

Significant Other, also known as a "spouse" or "lover".
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Postby TheKrikkitWars » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:35 am UTC

Clearly people are losing their ability to percieve objective reality; time to find us a volcano.
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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Texas_Ben » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:04 am UTC

metaphysicist wrote:But about those mountains... am I the only physics-minded person who was super bugged by those? I don't see a possible scenario that mountains like that could stay in geostationary orbit in a planet that clearly has some kind of atmosphere. I obsessed over it so much they almost ruined the movie for me. :P

Also waterfalls going off the edge of said flying mountains. WHERE DOES THE WATER COME FROM?

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Ivora » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:07 am UTC

Its best if you never know.

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Postby Jahoclave » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:26 am UTC

Ivora wrote:Its best if you never know.

Turtles get thirsty, especially in space.

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Postby Zamfir » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:33 am UTC

But the big question is, did these people feel suicidal after watching Pocahontas?

If not, why? Because they know that in Pocahontas, the good guys do win after all, and they do get to live in the good land?

If they did feel suicidal, why are they all still alive?

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Postby Jahoclave » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:40 am UTC

Zamfir wrote:But the big question is, did these people feel suicidal after watching Pocahontas?

If not, why? Because they know that in Pocahontas, the good guys do win after all, and they do get to live in the good land?

If they did feel suicidal, why are they all still alive?

Well, there's the whole genocide of the natives thing that followed. Which, when you think about it. That planet will be ours, bitches. It's not like the evil empire needs shit all on that planet alive. And if anybody is good at destroying an ecosystem, humans are.

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

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gmalivuk wrote:Gotta love those simple, innocent Noble Savages as they're victimized by Evil White People!

I remember hearing that Cameron has been working on this movie since the beginning of his career, more or less. I had no idea he got his start in 1890's England.

As for the article, I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have trouble believing that any film could induce lasting depression and/or suicidal ideation by itself. In other words, millions upon millions of people saw this movie, odds are that a good chunk of them were already depressed, and this movie made it worse in some cases1. Then some dicknose over at CNN said, "A 'link' between mental illness and a massive cultural phenomenon? I'd be stupid not to exploit this!"

1Which is pretty understandable. Movies can make anyone sad (as this one seems to have done), so when you show such a movie to a depressed person, it isn't too surprising that some of them will become more depressed.

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Postby aleflamedyud » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:07 am UTC

Jahoclave wrote:
Ivora wrote:Its best if you never know.

Turtles get thirsty, especially in space.

No, the Great A'Tuin never thirsts.
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Postby Jahoclave » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:24 am UTC

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gmalivuk wrote:Gotta love those simple, innocent Noble Savages as they're victimized by Evil White People!

I remember hearing that Cameron has been working on this movie since the beginning of his career, more or less. I had no idea he got his start in 1890's England.

Neither did Disney, nor a host of others who employed this very same plot. While the New York Times article explaining it can't be read without a subscription, I do think this article might actually do a better job. Also, contrary to what was taught in high school, things that analyze culture such as this article are closer to what actually goes on at the collegiate level.

Oh hey, even better article that actually got linked to in there. Your basic plot.

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby smw543 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:58 am UTC

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gmalivuk wrote:Gotta love those simple, innocent Noble Savages as they're victimized by Evil White People!

I remember hearing that Cameron has been working on this movie since the beginning of his career, more or less. I had no idea he got his start in 1890's England.

Neither did Disney, nor a host of others who employed this very same plot. While the New York Times article explaining it can't be read without a subscription, I do think this article might actually do a better job. Also, contrary to what was taught in high school, things that analyze culture such as this article are closer to what actually goes on at the collegiate level.

Oh hey, even better article that actually got linked to in there. Your basic plot.

That should've been 1690's (typo), but the reference was deliberately specific—the concept of the noble savage (as well as the term) originates from the period. As I see it, I can mostly forgive writers like Behn for getting swept up in shiny new philosophical notions, but using it in modern times as any sort of setting or plot device is at worst racist, and at best some combination of laziness and stupidity.

English major here, by the way. I've read more analyses of colonialism in literature than you can shake a stick at. (For fear of spoilers, I only read the beginnings of those articles, but I doubt they brought up any points I haven't heard before.)
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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Jahoclave » Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:05 am UTC

smw543 wrote:English major here, by the way. I've read more analyses of colonialism in literature than you can shake a stick at. (For fear of spoilers, I only read the beginnings of those articles, but I doubt they brought up any points I haven't heard before.)

Yeah, I hear ya on that one. Though, I read more Marxist criticism since I emphasis in that approach, but they still love colonialism as a topic.

And don't worry about me being a bit snippy, I'm just kind of on edge today and really should have gone to bed sooner. First day of classes and my washing machine broke.

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Felstaff » Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:19 am UTC

smw543 wrote:I have trouble believing that any film could induce lasting depression and/or suicidal ideation by itself.

This film reportedly caused a man to kill his wife, family, and then himself. In a crude search all I found was hearsay (try googling successfully for "threads"), but I remember a textbook in history class mentioning it.

After watching Threads, it's unsurprising, as it is the grimmest, most powerful and depressing film you will ever see. Way more than, say, the Rocketeer.
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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby smw543 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:07 am UTC

Felstaff wrote:
smw543 wrote:I have trouble believing that any film could induce lasting depression and/or suicidal ideation by itself.

This film reportedly caused a man to kill his wife, family, and then himself. In a crude search all I found was hearsay (try googling successfully for "threads"), but I remember a textbook in history class mentioning it.

Even if that's true (and if it isn't, I know of similar cases that are), what I meant was that I have trouble believing that a movie (that is, a mainstream movie; I'm sure you could get all kinds of trauma from a snuff film, or even some particularly distasteful porn) could have such a strong effect on a mentally healthy individual. Sort of like how dust will only cause a bit of sneezing in most people, but for someone with allergies, the effect is much stronger.
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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Jesse » Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:10 am UTC

THIS JUST IN: Depressed people more likely to be depressed at things. World is shocked.

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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby Jessica » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:15 pm UTC

What Jesse said.

Also, Dances with Blue People just doesn't really appeal to me. I have no desire to see a white guilt wet dream.
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Re: People suicidal after watching Avatar

Postby The Reaper » Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:16 pm UTC

Jesse wrote:THIS JUST IN: Depressed people more likely to be depressed at things. World is shocked. Becomes somewhat depressed as well.
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I think the depression thing may kick in more here than in Pocahontas due to the immersion of the 3d stuff. If the former had a well put together 3d movie and just as many pretty colors, I'm sure people would be depressed as well.


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