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Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby Amnesiasoft » Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:09 am UTC

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/world ... laden.html

Great, now if anyone tries doing something to help fix these things, they'll likely be labeled as terrorist sympathizers. It's times like these that I hate that the world is run by idiots (well, more so than usual).

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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby Pez Dispens3r » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:36 am UTC

Eh, chances are no one will be aware of this as anything but a curiosity. For those of you who didn't click the link, bin Laden may or may not have said (the legitimacy of the message can't be confirmed as from him) that the U.S. & co. are responsible for not halting climate change, and others should respond by abandoning the reliance on the American dollar.

Sorry, mister Laden, but I think the U.S. dollar is universally significant for economic, rather than ideological, reasons1. Also, you praised Chomsky, and that automatically makes you lose any intellectual debate. It's like the reverse-Godwin.

But, yeah, this is a common, and kinda fair, grievance. The early industrial nations have done a shit-load of polluting in their time, and England and the U.S. are probably number one in this respect. They profited heavily from such industry, so it's no surprise countries that didn't expect them to pay the resulting costs.

1Kinda like how the British pound used to be supreme, or the French language.
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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby Arancaytar » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:53 am UTC

Oh fuck.

"YEAH? Well, you know who ELSE worries about Global Warming? BIN LADEN does."
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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby Accipiter » Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:33 pm UTC

Arancaytar wrote:Oh fuck.

"YEAH? Well, you know who ELSE worries about Global Warming? BIN LADEN does."

Psh you can just answer "Yeah? Well, you know who ELSE didn`t worry about Global Warming? Hitler! And now he is dead." the original godwin still wins.

But seriously every rational person would recognize that "Osama agrees" isn't a valid argument against a position. And since I assume that most humans are rational, i think nobody will use that argument (lunatics doesn't count)

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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby Amnesiasoft » Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:37 pm UTC

Accipiter wrote:And since I assume that most humans are rational, i think nobody will use that argument (lunatics doesn't count)

Well, you know what happens when you assume (Also, I'm rather cynical, so yeah).

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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby jestingrabbit » Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:30 pm UTC

When your every political position depends on what OBL thinks, the terrorists have already won.
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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby guyy » Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:51 pm UTC

Wait, there was hope of fixing climate change? Where was it?

I don't think anyone's going to do anything with this, anyway; maybe if he had announced this several years ago, it'd become ammunition for morons, but as it is it just makes it look like he's jumping on a convenient bandwagon for the purpose of saying "US sucks, they're evil jerks, etc.".

Why would violent religious extremists care about stopping climate change, anyway? It'll only help them with their inexplicable goal of destroying civilization.

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Postby Weeks » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:47 pm UTC

It'll be like people bringing up that Hitler was vegetarian to argue against vegetarianism.
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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby G.v.K » Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:28 pm UTC

Amnesiasoft wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/world/middleeast/30binladen.html

Great, now if anyone tries doing something to help fix these things, they'll likely be labeled as terrorist sympathizers. It's times like these that I hate that the world is run by idiots (well, more so than usual).


it's fascinating that people are much more preoccupied with figuring out whose to blame than actually asking themselves what the real issue is. that's the beauty of big fuzzy words like climate change and global financial crisis. they end up signifying nothing and become perfect fodder for politicians to trade on.

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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby mmmcannibalism » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:37 am UTC

Few things

1. Is it really necessary to refer to Bin Laden as Mr.?

2. This will not affect anything involving climate change beliefs/policy.
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Postby jestingrabbit » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:09 am UTC

guyy wrote:Why would violent religious extremists care about stopping climate change, anyway? It'll only help them with their inexplicable goal of destroying civilization.


They don't want to destroy civilisation, they want to supplant western civilisation with something that works better for them.

A large part of the success of OBL's PR campaign in the muslim world is his use of anticolonial rhetoric. A lot of the developing world sees climate change as something that the developed world has created, and that it will disproportionately negatively effect the developing world (ps they're right about this). It, therefore, fits well in the general "the west has been fucking us over and needs to stop" argument to bring up climate change.
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Postby SummerGlauFan » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:21 am UTC

Pez Dispens3r wrote: It's like the reverse-Godwin.



The devil-lose?
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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby Pez Dispens3r » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:08 pm UTC

mmmcannibalism wrote:1. Is it really necessary to refer to Bin Laden as Mr.?

No. But does it matter either way?

SummerGlauFan wrote:The devil-lose?

IIRC, a subset of the Godwin Law is that you win the debate by invoking Hitler or Nazis.

Invoking Chomsky makes you lose the debate.
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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby Alexius » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:30 pm UTC

mmmcannibalism wrote:Few things

1. Is it really necessary to refer to Bin Laden as Mr.?


The New York Times refers to almost any man without another rank or academic title (and some with one, such as Dr. Gordon Brown) as Mr.

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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby scikidus » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:18 pm UTC

All this kind of stuff does is corroborate my theory that Osama Bin Laden's opinions are the most listened to ever.

When Osama says something into a camera, you can guarantee that practically every world leader will know his thoughts within 24 hours. Not even the other world leaders have that kind of influence.

Also, remember this? The man mentions the book in passing once and it shoots onto the bestseller list. He has the ear of almost the entirety of the civilized world.
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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby Comic JK » Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:56 pm UTC

I wouldn't be surprised if this were an attempt to influence US politics--like his endorsement of John Kerry back in 2004, but a little more suave. Reverse psychology on a national scale.

Osama's power is dependent on America being the prime international jerk and bully, so getting conservatives in power (Democratic conservatives work fine too) is good strategy for him.
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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby Pez Dispens3r » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:23 pm UTC

scikidus wrote:All this kind of stuff does is corroborate my theory that Osama Bin Laden's opinions are the most listened to ever.
Oprah's books go to number one, not number twenty-one.
Comic JK wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if this were an attempt to influence US politics--like his endorsement of John Kerry back in 2004, but a little more suave. Reverse psychology on a national scale.

Osama's power is dependent on America being the prime international jerk and bully, so getting conservatives in power (Democratic conservatives work fine too) is good strategy for him.
How is alleging the West hasn't done enough to arrest climate change helping conservatives get into power? Besides, there's enough jerk in the U.S. to fill the Grand Canyon: it's not a limited resource we're going to see a shortage of with non-conservatives in power.
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Postby Roĝer » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:43 pm UTC

Osama bin Laden reveals his secret identity: Captain Obvious!
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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby scikidus » Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:28 pm UTC

Pez Dispens3r wrote:
scikidus wrote:All this kind of stuff does is corroborate my theory that Osama Bin Laden's opinions are the most listened to ever.
Oprah's books go to number one, not number twenty-one.

Oprah's latest videos aren't part of most world leaders' morning briefings.

Well, maybe Sarkozy's, but he doesn't count.
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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby Dauric » Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:27 pm UTC

Pez Dispens3r wrote:IIRC, a subset of the Godwin Law is that you win the debate by invoking Hitler or Nazis.

Invoking Chomsky makes you lose the debate.


Actually invoking Hitler isn't a "win", it's still a lose.


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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby MrGee » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:39 am UTC

Pez Dispens3r wrote:IIRC, a subset of the Godwin Law is that you win the debate by invoking Hitler or Nazis.


The law was actually intended to vaccinate you against catching reducio ad Hitlerum, but I see the virus has evolved immunity.

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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby aleflamedyud » Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:10 pm UTC

Yay. Yet more proof that most of Bin-Laden's so-called "ideology" is really just telling the self-doubting of the West what they were already saying to give himself a veneer of legitimacy.
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Re: Osama bin Laden stops all hope of fixing climate change

Postby Lumpy » Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:19 pm UTC

http://www.livescience.com/technology/h ... 00129.html

On a very similar note, Hugo Chavez is accusing the U.S. of causing the Haitian earthquake by testing a "tectonic weapon."


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