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Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby Ixtellor » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:50 pm UTC

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Bibles ... _UTSA.html

Members of the Atheist Agenda, a student organization at the University of Texas at San Antonio, are encouraging students to trade in religious texts for pornography this week with their “Smut for Smut” campaign.

In the view of club members, religious texts are as smutty as pornography because they contain violence and torture and spark religious wars. But mostly, it's a public relations stunt meant to ignite debate and attract new members to the club.
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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby General_Norris » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:55 pm UTC

Marketing stunt. Looks a good one.

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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby The Reaper » Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:00 pm UTC

yea, my gf told me she saw this. the atheist group here is a bunch of trolls, doing things seemingly more to be dicks than get any useful discussion accomplished. i had a buddy that stopped attending their meetings because of that.

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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby olubunmi » Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:14 pm UTC

I don't think it'll attract many new members (what seems to be the purpose).It's just a tasteless joke.

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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby Le1bn1z » Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:56 pm UTC

Tasteless, but not altogether inaccurate.

The Bible is not as -- ah -- sanitary as some would have you believe. To wit, some highlights:

1.) Lot's daughters get him drunk and rape him, after the killing of Sodom and Gomorrah
2.) Noah's sons, ditto
3.) song of Solomon
4.) The book of Jerhico consists of the first known cultural celebration of Genocide, as the Jews triumphantly claimed God's land for them by killing everyone in the place (men, women and childen) except for a friendly house of prostitutes. The irony of this continues to be lost to Jews, Christians and Moslems alike, all of whom share this part of scripture.

There are others, but you get the picture.

Still, this does seem a little tasteless and intollerant. The irony of them putting on this show to demonstrate that religion provokes needless conflict, intollerance and ignorance is doubtlessly lost on them, as such things tend to be on college-level atheism enthuiasts. As it is, all that is left is for us to sit back, relax and watch the battle of the brainless as it unfolds.
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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby Dauric » Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:58 pm UTC

... The trade for porn is stupid and just heightens the offensiveness. Trades for a selection of titles like "A Brief History of Time" (Stephen Hawking), or On the Origin of Species (Charles Darwin) would have made a similar statement without highlighting their douchebaggery by using porn (which I have no doubt they're using because it's cheaper and they can offload their old magazines that way... The joys of 'Used Porn')

Worse still is that this does nothing but give jack@$$-zealot Christians -more- reasons to act like douchebags towards atheists, especially in Texas...

Way to go guys. By the way Mr. Darwin and his "Chainsaw of Natural Selection" would like to have a word with you...
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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby Weeks » Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:39 pm UTC

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Postby Princess Marzipan » Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:45 pm UTC

My initial reaction was that man, college kids shouldn't be allowed to be activist atheists, since they give a bad name to atheists who understand religious people.

Then I realized my initial reaction was that those damn COLLEGE kids needed to get off my damn lawn.

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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby Dauric » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:12 pm UTC

Princess Marzipan wrote:My initial reaction was that man, college kids shouldn't be allowed to be activist atheists, since they give a bad name to atheists who understand religious people.

Then I realized my initial reaction was that those damn COLLEGE kids needed to get off my damn lawn.

I feel old.


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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby Le1bn1z » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:14 pm UTC

Weeks wrote:
Le1bn1z wrote:Moslems
I'm not British or anything, but is that word acceptable now?


Did I step into something? As I understood it, it was just an older spelling. I use it interchangibly with Muslim. Sorry if I just used a slur I didn't know was a slur, I meant no offense.
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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby Texas_Ben » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:31 pm UTC

"Atheist activists" are generally, in my experience, just assholes who have it out for Christianity. I'm assuming that their parents are Christians and this is their way of rebelling. I'm not particularly religious, but I'm not going to be a dick about it. People who feel the need to be aggressive in their atheism are every bit as bad as people who feel the need to be militantly religious.

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Postby tzvibish » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:36 pm UTC

Dauric wrote:Worse still is that this does nothing but give jack @$$-zealot Christians -more- reasons to act like douchebags towards atheists, especially in Texas...


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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby Dauric » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:39 pm UTC

tzvibish wrote:
Dauric wrote:Worse still is that this does nothing but give jack @$$-zealot Christians -more- reasons to act like douchebags towards atheists, especially in Texas...


fix'd, becuase I had to.


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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby The Reaper » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:44 pm UTC

On a fun and interesting note, they're doing the same thing today, or at least, that's what it looks like is going on from the other side of the courtyard-area.

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Postby Princess Marzipan » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:44 pm UTC

Dauric wrote:<Passes around the tacky brass umbrella stand full of "Get off my Damn-Lawn" chasing canes and umbrellas>
Do they have any in pink...?

Texas_Ben wrote:People who feel the need to be aggressive in their atheism are every bit as bad as people who feel the need to be militantly religious.
I think the problem is that the failatheists look at religion as a set of precepts that must be followed, and the religious as people who then follow those precepts wholly and without question. Which isn't exactly true.

I mean, a lot of Christians are anti-gay. (A lot aren't, but your failatheist might not be aware of or acknowledge that.) And yes, the Bible has, well, *things* to say about homosexuality. But the Bible has things to say about a lot of things, and decent Christians will overlook the parts about The Gay because *they aren't blindly following.* Really vocal uberChristians are frequently incredibly anti-gay for some reason, but the religion isn't the reason; it's part of the shield they hide behind so that they can say anything on the other side of it is evil.

I'm rambling. D:
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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby Lucrece » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:48 pm UTC

This is the kind of "cool kids' club" mentality so prevalent in some "progressive/intellectual" circles that really turns out to demolish any chances of spreading out a possibly good message they might have.
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Lucrece wrote:This is the kind of "cool kids' club" mentality so prevalent in some "progressive/intellectual" circles that really turns out to demolish any chances of spreading out a possibly good message they might have.

Yeah, really, I didn't know you could get Bay Aryans in Texas.

I'll just sit here and laugh.
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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby Izawwlgood » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:42 pm UTC

I'd like to second the notion of the Bible being full of pretty barbaric, smutty, endeavors. The story of Onin comes to mind. Give it a read, tell me it's not a bit shocking through the entire way.

Unfortunately, it's a rather offensive PR move that isn't going to accomplish much. That said, no one was protecting my rights to not be offended at the numerous Jews for Jesus, Jesus Saves, or anti-abortions because Jesus loves yaddayadda pickets around my university, so frankly, I don't have much of a problem with this.
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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby podbaydoor » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:54 pm UTC

It does seem like an in-your-face stunt, but I'm not going to jump on the bashing bandwagon. Mainly because I haven't seen a parallel bashing bandwagon for the people who stand in the center of my campus and bawl things about condemning me to eternal pain and my soul needs to be very paternalistically saved by Jesus. The dead fetus truck that rolled by a few months ago also excited no meaningful opposition around my town.
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Postby Lucrece » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:03 pm UTC

podbaydoor wrote:It does seem like an in-your-face stunt, but I'm not going to jump on the bashing bandwagon. Mainly because I haven't seen a parallel bashing bandwagon for the people who stand in the center of my campus and bawl things about condemning me to eternal pain and my soul needs to be very paternalistically saved by the Jesus fairy. The dead fetus truck that rolled by a few months ago also excited no meaningful opposition around my town.


You're lucky. I have seemingly nice old people come certain days and offer cute little green books which turn out to be conveniently redacted versions of the Bible in accordance to their evangelical standards.

One time I received a seemingly philosophical survey that at first appeared to be for a philosophical seminar, but it was just a well-veiled way of getting your personal info so their marauding preacher and apprentice could come knock on your door and try to "ask some questions" which really meant "we're gonna ask you leading questions until you decided to tell us what we want to hear".

Realizing the annoying situation I invited them into my room so they could take an eyeful of my posters of males in bathing suit/revealing apparel and the sexy desktop background. That usually gets them to leave pretty fast ;).

Or you can pretend to thank them for making you rediscover religion, and that you can't wait to go back to serving Allah.
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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby Dauric » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:04 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:I'd like to second the notion of the Bible being full of pretty barbaric, smutty, endeavors. The story of Onin comes to mind. Give it a read, tell me it's not a bit shocking through the entire way.

Unfortunately, it's a rather offensive PR move that isn't going to accomplish much. That said, no one was protecting my rights to not be offended at the numerous Jews for Jesus, Jesus Saves, or anti-abortions because Jesus loves yaddayadda pickets around my university, so frankly, I don't have much of a problem with this.


I don't think anyone in their right mind would even remotely suggest that the Bible is filed with nothing but bunnies and sunshine, and I'd certainly agree there's a degree of hypocrisy in those interpretations of Christianity that present themselves that way.

The problem I have with this, and it's a minor problem given that it's college students; and college students get a bee in their bonnet and run off half-cocked and fully loaded with stupid, is the following:

"Those proselytizing Christians are such douchebags for shoving their religion in my face and acting like anyone that doesn't agree with them is some sort of leper..<add more grievances here>"
"I know, let's do to it to them!"

... Yes.. Let's fight the idiocity of the douchebags by becoming them...

podbaydoor wrote:It does seem like an in-your-face stunt, but I'm not going to jump on the bashing bandwagon. Mainly because I haven't seen a parallel bashing bandwagon for the people who stand in the center of my campus and bawl things about condemning me to eternal pain and my soul needs to be very paternalistically saved by tJesus. The dead fetus truck that rolled by a few months ago also excited no meaningful opposition around my town.


I don't entirely disagree with this sentiment, but I get so very tired of watching people reducing themselves to the lowest common denominator.
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Postby Princess Marzipan » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:05 pm UTC

The thing about all the really annoying stuff people are complaining about religious groups doing? "Actual" religious people feel about it the way most posters here feel about what this atheist club did. They think it's obtrusive, unnecessary, and borderline offensive.
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Postby psyck0 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:14 pm UTC

Wholly support this. Also, this is not its first year.

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Postby podbaydoor » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:18 pm UTC

Princess Marzipan wrote:The thing about all the really annoying stuff people are complaining about religious groups doing? "Actual" religious people feel about it the way most posters here feel about what this atheist club did. They think it's obtrusive, unnecessary, and borderline offensive.

Yes, but I feel like any time atheists do anything above the low-profile, everyone jumps on it and bemoans atheists. Similar - or more outrageous - demonstrations by religious people have apparently become so commonplace and ongoing that the most response we'll get is, "well, they don't represent us." Maybe this is more a function of a more general minority-vs-majority dynamic rather than something specific to atheists-vs-religion. I dunno.

Mind you, I don't know if I would have chosen to do this group's particular actions. Though I totally agree with the sentiment. Next time someone wants to ban a book from school libraries for whatever morally offensive material, I want someone to start a concurrent movement to ban the Bible for the same material.
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Princess Marzipan wrote:The thing about all the really annoying stuff people are complaining about religious groups doing? "Actual" religious people feel about it the way most posters here feel about what this atheist club did. They think it's obtrusive, unnecessary, and borderline offensive.



I think its great. The atheists absolutely surrender any moral or intellectual high-ground. Religion provokes unnessesary conflict, intollerance and social strife, does it? Nobody in the club sees the irony? No?

Lovely. Do continue.

If I were the local Christian club, I'd find out what day these guys were doing this, and try to make that either a fundraising day for a local shelter, or the club's day to run the local soup kitchen.
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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby Bright Shadows » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:24 pm UTC

The comparison here isn't... well thought out, maybe. The Bible has a lot of stuff in it which is not child friendly, but it isn't in the same genre as porn. Porn is for entertainment, the Bible is for learning. This is roughly equivalent to anatomy books being traded for porn, except the educational value of the Bible may be called into question somewhat.

Now, if it was a trade for Shakespeare or something, that would be a more "equivalent" trade.
Also, some people might make it because they have extra Bibles lying around and they haven't read some of Shakespeare's plays. That would probably be me.
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Postby Goldstein » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:42 pm UTC

Dauric wrote:The problem I have with this, and it's a minor problem given that it's college students; and college students get a bee in their bonnet and run off half-cocked and fully loaded with stupid, is the following:

"Those proselytizing Christians are such douchebags for shoving their religion in my face and acting like anyone that doesn't agree with them is some sort of leper..<add more grievances here>"
"I know, let's do to it to them!"

... Yes.. Let's fight the idiocity of the douchebags by becoming them...

While I agree it's stupid, I don't think that's the problem here. Atheists don't have to take the moral high ground, but the approach they've come up with seems quite obviously counter-intuitive. Swapping bibles for pornography sounds to me like exactly the sort of thing that Christians might imagine Atheists do. If they want to be taken seriously, why not be a little more compassionate and understanding, and play to Atheism's strengths; surely reason can be a more positive influence than pornography.
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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby duckshirt » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:13 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:The story of Onin comes to mind. Give it a read, tell me it's not a bit shocking through the entire way.
Onin? I'm not familiar with that story... Does Onin go by another name in modern English texts?
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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby MrGee » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:21 pm UTC

Plus there's the fact that many atheists also find porn to be highly offensive...

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Postby Texas_Ben » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:22 pm UTC

Bright Shadows wrote:The comparison here isn't... well thought out, maybe. The Bible has a lot of stuff in it which is not child friendly, but it isn't in the same genre as porn. Porn is for entertainment, the Bible is for learning. This is roughly equivalent to anatomy books being traded for porn, except the educational value of the Bible may be called into question somewhat.

I don't really think that the educational value of the bible needs to be called into question at all. Even if we completely set aside it's use as an educational text in and of itself for religious and/or philosophical purposes, It's had such a massive influence on western culture that it's extremely worthwhile to study it for that reason alone.

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Postby TaintedDeity » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:31 pm UTC

psyck0 wrote:Wholly support this. Also, this is not its first year.
Why?
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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby mmmcannibalism » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:33 pm UTC

Little conflicted here, on the one hand it is a rather tasteless protest that is just going to cause conflict, on the other hand it is rather hilarious.
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Postby The Reaper » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:34 pm UTC

TaintedDeity wrote:
psyck0 wrote:Wholly support this. Also, this is not its first year.
Why?

I don't recall this happening last year o_O

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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby G.v.K » Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:42 pm UTC

the heartfelt attachment of young 'progressives' to porn is really quite touching. thou shalt spill thy seed!

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Postby Aikanaro » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:35 pm UTC

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On behalf of our fellow atheists, we're sorry some of us do dumb shit. Please forgive us.

Love, xkcd.

Apology accepted, no worries. Man, feels weird to turn that around, for once.
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Postby MrGee » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:39 pm UTC

Aikanaro wrote:
The Fora wrote:Dear Aikanaro,

On behalf of our fellow atheists, we're sorry some of us do dumb shit. Please forgive us.

Love, xkcd.

Apology accepted, no worries. Man, feels weird to turn that around, for once.


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Postby Xeio » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:50 pm UTC

This is quite awesome. Oh, and to all you people who don't like the atheists suddenly speaking out, hypocritical or not, it's nice to hear about something other than the ABSOLUTE TRUTH signs with a giant bible on them like they have on campus (and that's just the start)...

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Postby psyck0 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:53 pm UTC

TaintedDeity wrote:
psyck0 wrote:Wholly support this. Also, this is not its first year.
Why?

Because I think religion is stupid, hypocritical, destructive and despicable.

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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby podbaydoor » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:58 pm UTC

duckshirt wrote:
Izawwlgood wrote:The story of Onin comes to mind. Give it a read, tell me it's not a bit shocking through the entire way.
Onin? I'm not familiar with that story... Does Onin go by another name in modern English texts?

Onan. He's where the term "onanism" came from.

Xeio wrote:This is quite awesome. Oh, and to all you people who don't like the atheists suddenly speaking out, hypocritical or not, it's nice to hear about something other than the ABSOLUTE TRUTH signs with a giant bible on them like they have on campus (and that's just the start)...

Pretty much my view. Yes, the stunt is in-your-face and probably tasteless, but such a tiny, tiny drop in the ocean of proselytizing out there that all the outrage and smug 'superiority' from the religious types in here comes across as bemusing, at best. This is nowhere near dead fetus level.
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Re: Bibles for Porn on college campus

Postby Accipiter » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:08 pm UTC

Meh I laughed but in the end it's just a roundabout to say insult the bible. I agree that the bible sucks but many people have said that much more eloquently and the only reason to say it with "bibles for porn" is to provoke (and I don't mean provoke thoughts). It's a bit childish and a waste of time. But I think the people here are overstating the offensiveness factor. It's just porn, there is nothing evil about porn and many people watch porn, there are much more offensive things they could have chosen like copies of "Mein Kampf" or something like that.


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