moonrover101 wrote:On a different note, when people say that Israel is racist because it doesn't give immediate citizenship to Palestinians, then they have a very warped view of how countries and citizenship laws work. In Canada, immigrants don't get immediate citizenship, and if the government wants a specific type of person, lets say coal miners, they will have an easier time gaining citizenship. Palestinians can apply for citizenship to any country that they want, even emigrate to the states, or attempt to go through the Israeli citizenship process like a Christian or a Buddhist would, and though it might be harder for Non Jews to emigrate, its not any harder than to emigrate to a different country.
I think this is kind of missing the problem. The Palestinians, by and large, lived in the region before the contemporary Israelis did. They aren't immigrants; the Palestinians already live there. Moreover, most of them don't actually want to become Israeli citizens; they want self-determination. For a Canadian example, it would probably be more akin to looking at whether or not Quebec, or one of the First Nations groups, has the right to cede from Canada and form their own sovereign nation--although even this isn't really accurate either, since the bulk of the disputed lands aren't currently part of Israel.
My understanding, as well, as is that at least someone immigrating from the Palestinian territories would not be on equal footing as someone immigrating from, say, the United States, as far as their ability to get citizenship (or even entrance to the country) is concerned, all other things being equal. There's been a bit of bad blood between the two sides, if you weren't aware.
BattleMoose wrote:Traditionally "native" people have been treated very badly when colonized, but thats neither here nor there. Also, is the Jewish culture not native to Israeli? And the massive immigration not withstanding, many Jewish people also.
My understanding is that the Jewish population in the region prior to about 1880 was virtually non-existent. You have to go back pretty far in history to start finding points in history where the Jews were a significant population in Mesopotamia.
BattleMoose wrote:I am not sure comparisons to the more traditional paradigm of colonization and natives to be useful at all. As always, the current situation with respect to Israeli and Palestine is unlike anything that has occurred before, and generally I find any kind of comparisons to other historical events to be incredibly unhelpful.
Why do you feel this situation is so different?