The Great Hippo wrote:Are you serious? We have to fight the narrative because we are in Muslim lands, shooting at Muslim people, asking for other Muslim people not to shoot back. We have to fight the narrative because if we don't, it directly impacts our ability to succeed against terrorism. We are not fighting the narrative to 'protect Muslim feelings'. Fuck Muslim feelings. We are fighting the narrative to protect American and Muslim lives.
I am serious, yes, though I never mentioned Muslim feelings. As I said above, if some Muslims engage in terrorism, I don't think it warrants more effort to convince other Muslims of our good intentions. By converse, that should mean that the more agressive we are, the more the non-terrorist Muslims ought to expend effort to convince us that they do not wish to impose Islam on Americans. I have not seen them do so.
America never has been and never will be rational, and always will happily construct oppressive, destructive narratives--just like every other country on earth. In one instance we have noted that a narrative based on hate and irrationality is actually dangerous and harmful to our own self-interests. Somehow, working to deconstruct this narrative and adopt a more healthy--more accurate--and more helpful one is--'bigoted'? We're asking Muslims to stop assuming all Americans want to kill them while asking Americans to stop assuming all Muslims want to kill them--and somehow you interpret this as bigotry?
I do. The dangerous narrative based on hate and irrationality should not have to be deconstructed by us. The role of correcting irrationality is reserved to educators, parents, doctors, supervisors--in all cases by superiors. To claim such a role against another culture is to label them inferior and incompetent. Where two parties stand on equal footing, and one is acting irrationally, the other is free to take advantage of that irrationality for its own ends or to decline the relationship. Allowing the Islamic world to face the consequences of its actions is far more healthy and helpful than giving it a way to avoid them.
Well, the important thing here is you feel justified in being an idiot, I guess?Steroid wrote:But maybe not, maybe it is possible to alleviate Islam of its responsibility to be rational, and impose it on Americans. But I don't see why I should stand for it. I'm a white American male. That means I never get to be the poor, suffering minority (well, I am an atheist, but if you have to be a minority, that's not the right one for political points.) I'm sick of people who on the one side say we need cultural sensitivity and tolerance, and on the other never give any of my cultures any of it. Well, if that's the situation, I'm just going to become the caricature you make of me. I'll use racial epithets and judge people on the parts of the culture most visible. I'll consider each Muslim a terrorist and a radical. Is it true? Who cares, their actions fit into my narrative.
Aha, this person has seen fit to decry my beliefs and engage in an ad hominem. Ordinarily I would be sensitive and tolerant and explain things rationally. But since calling me an idiot fits into my narrative of him as one who cannot engage in a rational argument, I shall instead be prejudiced and assume none of his points have merit, and that he is therefore inferior to me.