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Re: Westboro Baptist Church runs into difficulties in Oklaho

Postby Lostdreams » Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:43 pm UTC

I think, at some point, this topic might have been derailed.
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Re: Westboro Baptist Church runs into difficulties in Oklaho

Postby Oregonaut » Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:48 pm UTC

Actually, I keep my head so close-shaven that it is barely hair. I wear a Penny Arcade hoodie, a jeans jacket, or a bomber jacket when it is extra special cold. I wear either rose-colored, or blue-colored shades, depending on my mood and the weather.

The schoolgirl glee pose without sparkles, because fucking glitter is a sentient lifeform bent on world domination, damn it.

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Re: Westboro Baptist Church runs into difficulties in Oklaho

Postby Dauric » Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:00 pm UTC

Oregonaut wrote:Actually, I keep my head so close-shaven that it is barely hair. I wear a Penny Arcade hoodie, a jeans jacket, or a bomber jacket when it is extra special cold. I wear either rose-colored, or blue-colored shades, depending on my mood and the weather.


Which exponentially multiplies the cherubs puzzlement how to attach those ribbons.

The schoolgirl glee pose without sparkles, because fucking glitter is a sentient lifeform bent on world domination, damn it.


Which explains the Twilight series.

And yeah. Topic is DOA.


As most things about the WBC should be.

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Re: Westboro Baptist Church runs into difficulties in Oklaho

Postby SummerGlauFan » Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:57 pm UTC

The last few posts in this topic have been the best things I have heard today.

For a given definition of "heard," considering I actually read them.
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Re: Westboro Baptist Church runs into difficulties in Oklaho

Postby Arancaytar » Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:03 pm UTC

Lostdreams wrote:I completely disagree with the tire slashing and the no service policy. This is exactly the style of intolerant move that propigates violent outbursts from people participating with these kind of events who were on the fence about taking a more direct action and adds points to martyrdom and the cause overall. If the roles were reversed and this was a LGBT organized protest where the tires were slashed and no service was offered the reaction would be a completely different tone.


The LGBT movement does not protest at funerals of people saying it is their fault for tolerating homophobes. This equivalency kind of fails a checksum...
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Re: Westboro Baptist Church runs into difficulties in Oklaho

Postby Dauric » Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:22 pm UTC

SummerGlauFan wrote:The last few posts in this topic have been the best things I have heard today.

For a given definition of "heard," considering I actually read them.


But of course you heard it, the voices in your head were reading it to you.

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Postby TheKrikkitWars » Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:34 pm UTC

On reading "exponentially multiplies cherubs" I thought "can cherubs wield cricket bats" followed by, "do cricket bats come in pink", and finally "why am i arming cherubs again?"

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Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:25 pm UTC

I don't mean to inject any more attention to these assholes, but I just received notification that they're coming to my school to picket! I'm sort of excited.

Anyone in the Boston area, if you want to come make out with me or spank me or get spanked by me or hand them flowers or whatever, their planned protest is Dec 3rd, in front of Brandeis' south campus. Free pizza at my place after!
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Postby Glmclain » Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:44 pm UTC

I live a little ways away from Boston...

I'd actually love to plan a counter-protest. What are they protesting exactly?
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Postby Arancaytar » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:58 am UTC

Gayness. It's kind of hard to narrow down specifically, since they seem to lash out against all kinds of random people who aren't even gay, possibly for not persecuting gay people.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:32 am UTC

""WBC to picket the Hillel at Brandeis University to remind these Jews that they bear the curse of their forefather's murder of Christ. Further these college students of doomed america live for the devil himself, spending their energies on drunkeness, lust, sloth and greed rather than serving the Lord Almighty."

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Re: Westboro Baptist Church runs into difficulties in Oklaho

Postby TaintedDeity » Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:40 am UTC

I like that they went with 3 of the 7 deadly sins, but slung 'drunkenness' at the start because that was totally implied, amirite?
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Postby BlackSails » Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:44 am UTC

The obvious counter protest then is a beer pong tournament.

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Postby Oregonaut » Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:53 am UTC

BlackSails wrote:The obvious counter protest then is a beer pong tournament.


Strip beer-pong and bikini/speedo volleyball.
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Re: Westboro Baptist Church runs into difficulties in Oklaho

Postby BlackSails » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:15 am UTC

Oregonaut wrote:
BlackSails wrote:The obvious counter protest then is a beer pong tournament.


Strip beer-pong and bikini/speedo volleyball.


I havent been there in a while, but boston is still cold, right?

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Re: Westboro Baptist Church runs into difficulties in Oklaho

Postby scarecrovv » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:18 am UTC

I'm relatively close by. I might show up if XKCD people are really going to get together and do something, depending on the time of day.

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Re: Westboro Baptist Church runs into difficulties in Oklaho

Postby Brooklynxman » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:28 am UTC

Is there a list of where they are going anywhere? I'd gladly do something if they came to Southwest Florida, but other then down here I am useless.
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Postby TheGrammarBolshevik » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:35 am UTC

I'm here, so long as they're not planning on protesting in the evening.
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Oregonaut wrote:
BlackSails wrote:The obvious counter protest then is a beer pong tournament.


Strip beer-pong and bikini/speedo volleyball.


A shiny penny to anyone who can get on the TV news inebriatedly [nsfw]windmilling[/nsfw] the WBC protest.
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TheKrikkitWars wrote:
Oregonaut wrote:
BlackSails wrote:The obvious counter protest then is a beer pong tournament.


Strip beer-pong and bikini/speedo volleyball.


A shiny penny to anyone who can get on the TV news inebriatedly [nsfw]windmilling[/nsfw] the WBC protest.

Can you make that nsfw in CAPS please? :shock: :? :|
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All you have to do is hover over the link and see that it's meatspin. Then you would have known not to click it.
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SlyReaper wrote:All you have to do is hover over the link and see that it's meatspin. Then you would have known not to click it.

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Postby Vieto » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:33 pm UTC

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Never heard of meatspin before today.

Me neither.

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Postby natraj » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:47 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:I don't mean to inject any more attention to these assholes, but I just received notification that they're coming to my school to picket! I'm sort of excited.

Anyone in the Boston area, if you want to come make out with me or spank me or get spanked by me or hand them flowers or whatever, their planned protest is Dec 3rd, in front of Brandeis' south campus. Free pizza at my place after!


What time on the 3rd?
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Postby broken_escalator » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:17 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:I don't mean to inject any more attention to these assholes, but I just received notification that they're coming to my school to picket! I'm sort of excited.

Anyone in the Boston area, if you want to come make out with me or spank me or get spanked by me or hand them flowers or whatever, their planned protest is Dec 3rd, in front of Brandeis' south campus. Free pizza at my place after!

I wish I was closer to the Boston area. For the love of all that is pizza please take pictures of shenanigans.

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Postby Whelan » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:19 pm UTC

I'm kind of disappointed that they're banned from the UK, because I'll never have the opportunity to meet them and/or counter-protest.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:19 pm UTC

natraj wrote:
Izawwlgood wrote:I don't mean to inject any more attention to these assholes, but I just received notification that they're coming to my school to picket! I'm sort of excited.

Anyone in the Boston area, if you want to come make out with me or spank me or get spanked by me or hand them flowers or whatever, their planned protest is Dec 3rd, in front of Brandeis' south campus. Free pizza at my place after!


What time on the 3rd?


I think they're slated for 830-945, which, you know, given that we're slothful students who probably spent all night drinking and having sex with one another, is really just rudely early.
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Postby TheGrammarBolshevik » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:43 pm UTC

Oh, they're also coming to the Harvard Hillel a little later that same day, per http://www.godhatesfags.com/schedule.html. I'll probably be going to that one since it's later/closer, but who knows, maybe I'll also make it to Brandeis.
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Postby Isaac Hill » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:11 pm UTC

According to that schedule, they have a very busy morning planned: 4 events in 4 towns all between 6:55 and 10:30 am. Just entering the town names showed a little over an hour of travel time, and that's without the extra turns to get to those specific locations. Plus, there'll be morning rush hour Boston area traffic. If they manage to stick to that schedule, that may actually be a sign of divine intervention. You wouldn't even have to slash their tires to ruin their day, just letting the air out ought to do it.

I'd like to go, but can't. Even if I took the day off work, there's no way I'd be able to get there on time while getting enough sleep to want to deal with these people.

Since they're protesting Jews during Hanukkah, if anyone going has a guitar, you should play Adam Sandler's Hannukah Song.

Or, ask them about the effectiveness of their technique.

"Excuse me, has this ever worked?"

"I mean, all this yelling at people. Does anyone ever come out of the thing you're protesting, see you guys, and decide to join you?"

If they don't have extra signs with them, point that out: "You didn't even bring extra signs with you. You don't even expect other people to be iterested, do you?"
If they have extra signs: "No one's taken you up on your extra signs. Do they ever?"

Ask them how often they get new converts. Then, you want to explain the basics of marketing to them, how commercials never insult their potential customers, but instead persuade. If they resist, mention the Bible's promotion of humility, such as being nice to a heathen. If they ask if you've accepted their batshit, reply that they haven't made their batshit seem all that appealing. You may want to avoid the word "batshit".

You want to appear genuinely helpful, as though you're actually interested in helping them get their message out and win converts. This'll do two things:
1) Since they've probably never had someone try to be helpful before, you'll confuse them.
2) You'll show that they're not actually interested in saving souls, but instead in expressing their own self-righteous rage, exploiting the name of God to boost their own egos. Sure, everybody already knows that's what they're doing, but more proof would be nice.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:57 am UTC

Isaac Hill wrote:2) You'll show that they're not actually interested in saving souls, but instead in expressing their own self-righteous rage, exploiting the name of God to boost their own egos. Sure, everybody already knows that's what they're doing, but more proof would be nice.

I'd love to somehow trip some of these guys up, pointing out that I'm absolutely appalled at their willingness to ignore the word of GOD, I mean, for fucks sake, that guy's eating meat and it's a Friday! Where are the stones? The moral turpitude they're displaying is simply outrageous!

"God != hate filled narcissism" would be a good sign I think.
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Isaac Hill wrote:Some stuff.


I live about thirty miles from their churchcompound. What you propose to do will not actually accomplish anything. These guys troll for a living. They go to places, excrete hate, and bait people. Then when they are attacked, or when cities try to shut them down, they sue, and they win. There's a profit motive there, and there's no rationality to be had. Simply by engaging them, you lose.
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Isaac Hill wrote:Some stuff.


I live about thirty miles from their churchcompound. What you propose to do will not actually accomplish anything. These guys troll for a living. They go to places, excrete hate, and bait people. Then when they are attacked, or when cities try to shut them down, they sue, and they win. There's a profit motive there, and there's no rationality to be had. Simply by engaging them, you lose.

Ah, but you see, the thing that stands out to me about all these times they're attacked is, the attacks are never definitive. How many times has a WBC member been killed, and/or truly injured/put in true fear for their life? Has Fred Phelps ever been laid up in a hospital bed, or had to deal with a broken leg? If they're truly professional trolls, then what they do is only logical if it pays off in the cost/benefit risk analysis. If the scales were tipped the other way, however....../shrug.
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Postby PhatPhungus » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:32 am UTC

Whelan wrote:I'm kind of disappointed that they're banned from the UK, because I'll never have the opportunity to meet them and/or counter-protest.


Which is kind of the philosophy behind allowing them to protest. Currently writing a paper for my American Government class on Frank Collin and the NSPA (group of neo nazis), and their attempts to protest in Skokie. The irony of the situation is that the demonstration (which ended up taking place in Chicago) ended up being a massive statement of how evil people think the Nazis are, but the village of Skokie spent a huge amount of effort trying to stop them from demonstrating (by passing laws which were eventually declared unconstitutional)
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Postby BlackSails » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:41 am UTC

The trick is to get them to attack you, then press charges and sue them.

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Postby SummerGlauFan » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:57 am UTC

BlackSails wrote:The trick is to get them to attack you, then press charges and sue them.


Clearly the best way to do this is to have two homosexuals in skimpy clothing making out right in front of them. Then invite one of them to join in.

Just make sure you don't violate any indecency laws.
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Postby Izawwlgood » Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:46 am UTC

SummerGlauFan wrote:Clearly the best way to do this is to have two homosexuals in skimpy clothing making out right in front of them. Then invite one of them to join in.

The thing is, I wager this has been done far more often than beating them with kindness.
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Postby General_Norris » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:31 am UTC

^While I agree with you I think that they are so deep into their madness that you can't change them. The focus should be on getting other people to agree with you, not these guys.

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Postby Izawwlgood » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:51 am UTC

Considering the KKK released a statement saying they condemn the WBC for their stances, I'm pretty confident in claiming convincing people to disagree with the WBC isn't really an issue.
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Izawwlgood wrote:
SummerGlauFan wrote:Clearly the best way to do this is to have two homosexuals in skimpy clothing making out right in front of them. Then invite one of them to join in.

The thing is, I wager this has been done far more often than beating them with kindness.
It's a sort of 'the unpopular motive is the right one' mentality. The more you prove to them that they have something to fight against, that is the more you show them examples of homosexuality or fun or why 'God DOESN'T hate fags' the more you'll make them think that their position is the correct one, because look at the the moral deviancy they find on their travels.


To be fair, the motive here is not to try and change them (because you won't) but rather to try and get them mad enough that they do something bad enough you can press charges on them for. Preferably get them to assault you, because that means prison time.
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Postby podbaydoor » Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:52 pm UTC

I'd say they're too good at lawyering for that. They may be insane but that doesn't mean they're not cunning.
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