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British gov. wants all sex websites blocked by default

Postby SquareRootofBlue » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:33 pm UTC

Broadband firms urged to block sex websites to protect children
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/dec/19/broadband-sex-safeguard-children-vaizey

Yes, this is the same Ed Vaizey who was at the centre of the recent debacle on net neutrality. Here's the Guardian's take on it (spoilered for size):
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Internet service providers are to be asked by the government to tighten up on website pornography to try to combat the early sexualisation of children.

Ministers believe broadband providers should consider automatically blocking sex sites, individuals being required to "opt in" to receive them, rather than "opt out" and use the available computer parental controls.

Ed Vaizey, the communications minister, is to meet internet providers, including BT, Virgin Media and TalkTalk, "in the near future" to discuss changing the way pornography enters private homes, the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills confirmed.

The move is designed to protect children from being exposed to pornography on the net.

The initiative comes in advance of the proposed convergence of television and the internet.

The government would prefer providers to arrive at a solution rather than be pressed into it by legislation.

"This is a very serious matter. I think it is very important that it's the ISPs that some up with solutions to protect children," Vaizey told the Sunday Times. "I'm hoping they will get their acts together so that we don't have to legislate, but we are keeping an eye on the situation and we will have a new communications bill in the next couple of years."

The action follows the success of moves by most British internet providers to prevent people inadvertently viewing child pornography websites. Now ministers want to see adult pornography controlled with similar technology, with sites blocked unless people specifically request access to them.

A survey by Psychologies magazine found that one in three children aged 10 in Britain had seen pornography on the net.

I assume they have in mind porn sites here, but 'sex websites' could also include legitimate educational sites. Can anyone see a way where this won't end up with more websites blocked by the government simply because they're inconvenient? Iran introduced their net filtering system under a similar 'think of the children' banner and then used it as a tool to silence any anti-government voices. That this is even being considered in the UK is quite concerning to me.
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Postby legopelle » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:47 pm UTC

Thank god I'm not living in GB.
I really don't want to call my ISP and request porn.

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Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:06 pm UTC

I tried to read the article, but it was blocked because of how often it uses the words "sex" and "children".

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Postby poxic » Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:26 pm UTC

Reminds me of when the AVEN website was shut down by their host a few years back for "inappropriate content". Something to do with a policy against discussions around human sexuality on their server, despite AVEN having lived on that server for several years already. (They were able to get a new host in a short time and restore from backup.)

If people can freak out about discussions of asexuality (and yeah, there are sometimes very ... technical discussions there), then I have no faith in any one person's or agency's judgment. Including my own.
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Postby Robstickle » Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:36 pm UTC

Typical tory.

Anyways I can't see the ISPs complying with this. For once, yay for corporate greed. Also there is certainly an invasion of privacy here. If one person in the house opts the house in then everyone else in the house will be able to find out if the house is opted in. So wives checking on husbands, parents checking on (18+) children etc etc.

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Postby SlyReaper » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:36 am UTC

Another, slightly less alarmist source.

The story summarised:
1. Some backbencher nobody cares about proposes opt-out Internet filter because THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
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Postby M.C. » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:00 am UTC

A survey by Psychologies magazine found that one in three children aged 10 in Britain had seen pornography on the net.

One in three children aged 10 in Britain have parents who don't supervise their internet use appropriately.
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Postby mmmcannibalism » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:36 am UTC

M.C. wrote:
A survey by Psychologies magazine found that one in three children aged 10 in Britain had seen pornography on the net.

One in three children aged 10 in Britain have parents who don't supervise their internet use appropriately.


More accurately, how are they defining pornography? If they mean one in three children have seen at least picture of a nipple online; there is no way that is cause for concern.
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Postby kingofdreams » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:17 am UTC

We as a culture make too much of pornography, its potential for evil is often grossly overstated, what exactly about it constitutes vice? Children may not be equipped to understand it but how emotionally scarring is it?
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Postby BoomFrog » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:29 am UTC

mmmcannibalism wrote:
M.C. wrote:
A survey by Psychologies magazine found that one in three children aged 10 in Britain had seen pornography on the net.

One in three children aged 10 in Britain have parents who don't supervise their internet use appropriately.


More accurately, how are they defining pornography? If they mean one in three children have seen at least picture of a nipple online; there is no way that is cause for concern.


Wait, isn't this Europe? I thought they could see nipples on TV?
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Postby Triangle_Man » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:36 am UTC

Weren't their studies made that demonstrated negative effects on kids who viewed porn at a young age?

In any case, I'm fairly sure that allowing Porn sites to be blocked would set a negative presadent for internet censorship...
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Postby Qaanol » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:21 am UTC

Triangle_Man wrote:Weren't their studies made that demonstrated negative effects on kids who viewed porn at a young age?

In any case, I'm fairly sure that allowing Porn sites to be blocked would set a negative presadent for internet censorship...

I highly doubt it. And while we’re making claims without providing sources, I’ll just chuck in some personal speculation.

I bet if a study were carried, then once you adjust for correlation between bad parenting and children viewing porn, you’d probably find either no effect from the porn or possibly even you’d find that children who view porn at a young age are better socially adjusted (because they’re not afraid of their sexuality) and more apt to self-motivate and be natural leaders (not because they viewed porn, but rather one might surmise that some of them were already demonstrating self-motivation by taking the initiative to acquire what they want despite meddlesome adults trying to prevent it.)
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Postby archeleus » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:38 am UTC

Well I accidentally saw a bit when I was young and curiosity took care of the rest and can't say it was mentally scarring at all. For all I know, it may've given me some more self control in keeping it in my pants.

Anyway, this'll just increase the demand for proxies and such.
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Postby Arancaytar » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:09 am UTC

mmmcannibalism wrote:
M.C. wrote:
A survey by Psychologies magazine found that one in three children aged 10 in Britain had seen pornography on the net.

One in three children aged 10 in Britain have parents who don't supervise their internet use appropriately.


More accurately, how are they defining pornography? If they mean one in three children have seen at least picture of a nipple online; there is no way that is cause for concern.


On a related note, it turns out that nearly all children have seen a nipple before they could talk.
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Postby Plasma Man » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:57 am UTC

Most of them have seen nipples other than their own, too.
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Postby sje46 » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:05 pm UTC

As long as it's not racist/misogynstic/sexist (which rules out a LOT of porn), I'm not positive if any sexuality is harmful for children of any age, as long as they understand that it's a thing you do when you're older.
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Postby Heisenberg » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:55 pm UTC

sje46 wrote:As long as it's not racist/misogynstic/sexist (which rules out a LOT of porn), I'm not positive if any sexuality is harmful for children of any age, as long as they understand that it's a thing you do when you're older.

Unfortunately, I doubt Hustler.com has a "Kids Zone" with helpful diagrams and educational text.

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Postby nitePhyyre » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:44 pm UTC

sje46 wrote:I'm not positive if any sexuality is harmful for children of any age, as long as they understand that it's a thing you do when you're older.

Well that's very contradictory.
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Postby Xeio » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:48 pm UTC

Heisenberg wrote:
sje46 wrote:As long as it's not racist/misogynstic/sexist (which rules out a LOT of porn), I'm not positive if any sexuality is harmful for children of any age, as long as they understand that it's a thing you do when you're older.

Unfortunately, I doubt Hustler.com has a "Kids Zone" with helpful diagrams and educational text.
I'm with Heisenberg, we should should petition Hustler to add a kids zone. :P

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Postby Gopher of Pern » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:24 pm UTC

nitePhyyre wrote:
sje46 wrote:I'm not positive if any sexuality is harmful for children of any age, as long as they understand that it's a thing you do when you're older.

Well that's very contradictory.


How is it?

I'm sure kids know about things like taxes, drinking and smoking, before they would engage in any of these activities. Why should sex be any different?
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Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:48 pm UTC

Maybe this will force people to become educated about proxies and backdoors. Either that, or people all call the porn line "for a friend"
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Postby StNowhere » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:08 am UTC

cjmcjmcjmcjm wrote:Maybe this will force people to become educated about proxies and backdoors. Either that, or people all call the porn line "for a friend"


Pfft. Everyone who's interested in porn knows alll about "backdoors."

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Postby sje46 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:16 am UTC

Gopher of Pern wrote:
nitePhyyre wrote:
sje46 wrote:I'm not positive if any sexuality is harmful for children of any age, as long as they understand that it's a thing you do when you're older.

Well that's very contradictory.


How is it?

I'm sure kids know about things like taxes, drinking and smoking, before they would engage in any of these activities. Why should sex be any different?

I'm guessing that he's thinking I meant that children would be sexual, which I didn't.

That was a lot of "head" verbs.
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Postby kingofdreams » Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:12 pm UTC

Hell, printed porn was a huge industry. I'm assuming a fair amount of us predate practical internet porn, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who had dirty mags as a kid. I don't see how its the governments business to establish such arbitrary moral positions.
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Postby PolakoVoador » Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:35 pm UTC

Well, now it's official. British Telecom blocking porn by default for new customers

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British Telecom today announced that it would block all adult content by default for new customers. The company is launching a new network-based filter called Parental Controls that will require customers to actively choose their parental controls when setting up their internet connection.

BT's Parental Controls will need to be activated when new customers first connect to the web. By default, the controls are pre-selected and switched on, so customers will have to actually switch them off during this set up in order to see adult content. Customers will be able to choose from three levels of intensity (strict, moderate, and light) and the filter can be switched off during certain periods. Of course, the goal behind this is to protect children from unsavory content on the internet.

"BT takes the issue of online child protection extremely seriously and we are very pleased to be able to launch the whole-home filter to help parents keep their families safe online. It adds to the many tools we already make available for free to our customers. We’ve been focused on the issue of online safety since we developed the world’s first Cleanfeed filter to block child abuse images and made the technology available free to other ISPs across the world a decade ago."

Current customers won't be able to avoid the new system, either. BT said today that this new Parental Controls program will also see current customers contacted and asked to make a decision regarding their parental control settings. The news follows a report in October 2011 that said the UK's four major ISPs were working on having users opt in for pornographic or adult content.


TL;DR: ISP now blocking porn (no idea of WHAT they define as porn) as default for new users, old users should expect to be hit with it soon.

This is so much stupid.

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Postby Yoshisummons » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:53 pm UTC

Damn necromancy! Clicked on the Monty Python song link then when it was taken down by youtube I chuckled over it as if it was a meta-joke, and then I saw the post date :( .

So is this just one service provider volunteering to have this system, then what's the problem? Well obviously past the part where they're making everyone that wants to view porn on the internet go a few extra steps instead of the smaller group, the parents wanting to censor the internet use. Also, I wish these levels of censoring strict, moderate, and light were more descriptive on exactly what they covered.

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Postby davidstarlingm » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:02 pm UTC

Yeah, the definition is the tricky part. Do websites self-select? No one would. Does the ISP scroll through every page on the internet and rate it on the basis of how porny it is?

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Postby Heisenberg » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:26 pm UTC

"All right, Steve. We need you to watch ALL OF THE PORN."

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Postby davidstarlingm » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:38 pm UTC

Heisenberg wrote:"All right, Steve. We need you to watch ALL OF THE PORN."

ALL OF IT.

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Postby CorruptUser » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:50 pm UTC

Rule 34: if it exists there is porn of it.
Rule 35: if you can't find porn of it, it is your holy duty to create more porn of it to make the porn easier to find.
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Postby zukenft » Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:07 pm UTC

by the way, there is a correlation between the frequency of watching porn and the rate of childbirth. just look at japan.
maybe the UK government is just desperate for more local children so they don't have to import immigrants?

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Postby CorruptUser » Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:38 am UTC

Any domestic policy that requires exponentially increasing population to function, is just asking for disaster. Sure, more people means more scientists which means more tech advances and so forth, but there comes a point of diminishing returns...

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Postby ConMan » Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:53 am UTC

zukenft wrote:by the way, there is a correlation between the frequency of watching porn and the rate of childbirth. just look at japan.
maybe the UK government is just desperate for more local children so they don't have to import immigrants?

Correlation maybe, but causation no. More likely that there's a common influence - like the fact that technological and social progress tends to be closely related to a decline in birthrates, and would also affect the accessibility and/or acceptability of porn.
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Postby gmalivuk » Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:50 am UTC

Japan is still an outlier, both in porn and birthrate, even among similarly technological countries.

I agree that both trends have a common influence rather than one causing the other, but I don't think technological progress is it.
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Postby Ormurinn » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:07 pm UTC

With regards to BT... I actually don't find this problematic at all. One telecom provider has an opt out porn filter. The majority of providers don't, and even in the case of BT, porn is available on request.

A lot of people seem to be worried that they'll have to cop to wanting to watch porn - which is pretty amusing.
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Postby ucim » Wed Dec 18, 2013 1:23 am UTC

Ormurinn wrote:A lot of people seem to be worried that they'll have to cop to wanting to watch porn - which is pretty amusing.
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Postby Zarq » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:11 pm UTC

davidstarlingm wrote:Yeah, the definition is the tricky part. Do websites self-select? No one would. Does the ISP scroll through every page on the internet and rate it on the basis of how porny it is?



"Pornography filters used by major internet service providers are blocking websites offering sex education and advice on sexual health and porn addiction, the BBC has learned."
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Postby PolakoVoador » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:12 pm UTC

Zarq wrote:
davidstarlingm wrote:Yeah, the definition is the tricky part. Do websites self-select? No one would. Does the ISP scroll through every page on the internet and rate it on the basis of how porny it is?



"Pornography filters used by major internet service providers are blocking websites offering sex education and advice on sexual health and porn addiction, the BBC has learned."


Dammit Steve! Get your shit together man.

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Postby gmalivuk » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:17 pm UTC

Zarq wrote:
davidstarlingm wrote:Yeah, the definition is the tricky part. Do websites self-select? No one would. Does the ISP scroll through every page on the internet and rate it on the basis of how porny it is?
"Pornography filters used by major internet service providers are blocking websites offering sex education and advice on sexual health and porn addiction, the BBC has learned."
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