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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby M.C. » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:32 am UTC

sourmìlk wrote:I think the Streisand effect only works if your works don't scare people away.

On the contrary, having scary works makes the interest much greater. People are sickos, really.

Also,
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Unless the teacher was in a film adaptation of one of the novels, this is nothing more than angry parents scared their child might exist in the real world. Those books are about as sexually explicit as a music video, and aren't even being read by children anyway.



It's not even that. It's "this is noting more than angry parents scared their children might exist in the company of somebody who exists in the real world in her off-time"


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Postby Xeio » Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:21 pm UTC

M.C. wrote:Unless the teacher was in a film adaptation of one of the novels
Would this somehow make this non-issue an issue?

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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby M.C. » Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:27 pm UTC

Only if the breasts are shown. I have little faith in a teacher being able to control a class after that. :)
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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby podbaydoor » Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:18 pm UTC

sourmìlk wrote:
Edit: Also, obviously this parent has no idea of the Streisand effect. She's probably guaranteed a thriving, if temporary, readership of these novels among the student population.

I think the Streisand effect only works if your works don't scare people away.

Yes, which is obviously why romance novels is totally not a burgeoning market niche that happens to command the biggest chunk of the book market. Not at all.

Anyway, I just want to look at this mother and say, "Does you son know that this whole time you've been up there parenting him, you've been having sex with your husband? I mean, what is he supposed to think about now, watching you parent him? All he's going to see is you having sex with your husband, now that he knows about it."
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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby sourmìlk » Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:21 pm UTC

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Edit: Also, obviously this parent has no idea of the Streisand effect. She's probably guaranteed a thriving, if temporary, readership of these novels among the student population.

I think the Streisand effect only works if your works don't scare people away.

Yes, which is obviously why romance novels is totally not a burgeoning market niche that happens to command the biggest chunk of the book market. Not at all.

Are most romance novels that insane? Please excuse my ignorance on the subject, but I'm rather glad that I don't know this kind of thing.

Anyway, I just want to look at this mother and say, "Does you son know that this whole time you've been up there parenting him, you've been having sex with your husband? I mean, what is he supposed to think about now, watching you parent him? All he's going to see is you having sex with your husband, now that he knows about it."

Hence my comment that biological parents shouldn't be allowed to raise children. Clearly people engaged in such explicit acts can't be trusted around our young ones.
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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby Steax » Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:26 pm UTC

mmmcannibalism wrote:On topic, how many parents are outraged and have actually read the books?


This smugly reminds me of an episode of Arthur the Aardvark. Which is actually about this very subject, except about horror instead of erotic work.

In any case, the fact that parents are turning this into BIG NEWS are going to cause a lot more problems for their children's views of the teacher than if they didn't.
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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby podbaydoor » Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:28 pm UTC

sourmìlk wrote:Are most romance novels that insane? Please excuse my ignorance on the subject, but I'm rather glad that I don't know this kind of thing.

Uh. Yes? That's tame, honestly. I've read softcore fanfiction that was more frightening.
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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby Zamfir » Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:33 pm UTC

sourmìlk wrote:Are most romance novels that insane? Please excuse my ignorance on the subject, but I'm rather glad that I don't know this kind of thing.

What's with the "insane"? Do think Star Wars was "insane" because there was a guy with hair all over his body? What's wrong with a bit of fantasy? There doesn't seem to be much sex acts in the book that your parents have never engaged in, expect for the tails. And I am pretty sure your fathter has used his fingers for most of the things the aliens use their tail for.
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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby Nordic Einar » Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:42 pm UTC

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sourmìlk wrote:Are most romance novels that insane? Please excuse my ignorance on the subject, but I'm rather glad that I don't know this kind of thing.

What's with the "insane"? Do think Star Wars was "insane" because there was a guy with hair all over his body? What's wrong with a bit of fantasy?


But Zamfir! It has non-orthodox, fantastical sex! With strange and wondrous creatures in a completely tongue-in-cheek way! It might even contain sexual humor!

That's... that's just fucking batty.

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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby Zamfir » Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:46 pm UTC



But Zamfir! It has non-orthodox, fantastical sex! With strange and wondrous creatures in a completely tongue-in-cheek way! It might even contain sexual humor!

Also, tongue-at-other-places way.

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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby Gellert1984 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:32 pm UTC

Just ordered a copy of one of her books, i may even read it.

I really hate this crap they pull out on teachers, rarely I find it passable (when a student stumbles accross porn of their teacher...but how many teenagers are gonna tell ma and pa that?). Also does it not seem just a little disturbed that a parent hunted up pictures of a teacher and her pseudonym on the internet then, presumably, told their son that teacher writes porn? Seriously?
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Postby sourmìlk » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:26 pm UTC

Zamfir wrote:
sourmìlk wrote:Are most romance novels that insane? Please excuse my ignorance on the subject, but I'm rather glad that I don't know this kind of thing.

What's with the "insane"? Do think Star Wars was "insane" because there was a guy with hair all over his body? What's wrong with a bit of fantasy? There doesn't seem to be much sex acts in the book that your parents have never engaged in, expect for the tails. And I am pretty sure your fathter has used his fingers for most of the things the aliens use their tail for.


The "insane" bit was because the book creates bizarrely improbably scenarios just to put sex in.
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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby Xeio » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:40 pm UTC

sourmìlk wrote:The "insane" bit was because the book fiction creates bizarrely improbably scenarios just to put sex anything in.
FTFY.

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Postby sourmìlk » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:46 pm UTC

Xeio wrote:
sourmìlk wrote:The "insane" bit was because the book fiction creates bizarrely improbably scenarios just to put sex anything in.
FTFY.


Not quite. George Lucas didn't make star wars just so he could force creatures covered with hair into every nook and cranny of the story. At least, as far as I know.
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Postby Oregonaut » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:49 pm UTC

I have read Mystique/Nightcrawler fan fiction where Mystique changed into every other member of the then current X-Man roster. It was skeery.
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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby Angua » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:53 pm UTC

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Zamfir wrote:
sourmìlk wrote:Are most romance novels that insane? Please excuse my ignorance on the subject, but I'm rather glad that I don't know this kind of thing.

What's with the "insane"? Do think Star Wars was "insane" because there was a guy with hair all over his body? What's wrong with a bit of fantasy? There doesn't seem to be much sex acts in the book that your parents have never engaged in, expect for the tails. And I am pretty sure your fathter has used his fingers for most of the things the aliens use their tail for.


The "insane" bit was because the book creates bizarrely improbably scenarios just to put sex in.
Well, just think of it as normal science fiction, which happens to have sex in it - eg Star Trek TOS had Kirk getting off with practically every female alien around - but as it was a family show things didn't get that far. This is taking that bit, and extending it a bit further.
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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby Endless Mike » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:58 pm UTC

Oregonaut wrote:I have read Mystique/Nightcrawler fan fiction where Mystique changed into every other member of the then current X-Man roster. It was skeery.

That's creepy on several levels.

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Postby Oregonaut » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:59 pm UTC

I don't judge, but...that wasn't for me.
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Postby sourmìlk » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:23 pm UTC

Angua wrote: Well, just think of it as normal science fiction, which happens to have sex in it - eg Star Trek TOS had Kirk getting off with practically every female alien around - but as it was a family show things didn't get that far. This is taking that bit, and extending it a bit further.


They're clearly different. Star Trek was created for the writers to show off philosophy skills via heavy-handed allegories. That's a reasonably broad subject which is why it and its spinoffs have lasted so many years. But sex being a part of a sci-fi is not quite the same as sex being the central point. Then it just gets silly.
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sourmìlk wrote:They're clearly different. Star Trek was created for the writers to show off philosophy skills via heavy-handed allegories. That's a reasonably broad subject which is why it and its spinoffs have lasted so many years. But sex being a part of a sci-fi is not quite the same as sex being the central point. Then it just gets silly.


Theres a fairly major difference; star trek is main stream sci fi, these books are basically porn in text form.
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Postby Angua » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:29 pm UTC

sourmìlk wrote:
Angua wrote: Well, just think of it as normal science fiction, which happens to have sex in it - eg Star Trek TOS had Kirk getting off with practically every female alien around - but as it was a family show things didn't get that far. This is taking that bit, and extending it a bit further.


They're clearly different. Star Trek was created for the writers to show off philosophy skills via heavy-handed allegories. That's a reasonably broad subject which is why it and its spinoffs have lasted so many years. But sex being a part of a sci-fi is not quite the same as sex being the central point. Then it just gets silly.
Not really - sex is an important part of life for many people, it can easily be a central point (and is) in many different types of novels, some which aren't even completely about sex (eg I found Shelters of Stone to have too much of a focus on sex when I read it when I was younger, as I just found those bits very boring so would skip them, but now I'm more experienced in life I can read those bits with a new perspective and interest.

But anyway, I don't really see how scifi porn is any more insane unreasonable than any other fictional porn out there.
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Postby sourmìlk » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:31 pm UTC

Angua wrote:But anyway, I don't really see how scifi porn is any more insane unreasonable than any other fictional porn out there.


They all seem rather pointless to me. But I don't like the comparison between fictional porn and normal fiction.
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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

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sourmìlk wrote:The "insane" bit was because the book creates bizarrely improbably scenarios just to put sex in.

Have you...have you consumed any porn or romance novels at all? Like, hello?

And what the hell is the difference between fictional porn and "normal" fiction? What the hell is normal fiction? It's all fiction. Have you ever read the books in the NYTimes Bestseller list? A lot of these are considered modern literature heavyweights, and a lot of them have explicit sex scenes. That's where the Literary Bad Sex Awards harvests their samples from.

Anyway, getting back to the point: I have no idea why you think novels which are in a genre whose entire stated intention is to convey stories about romance and sex, shouldn't be conveying romance and sex.
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Postby Zamfir » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:50 pm UTC

They all seem rather pointless to me. But I don't like the comparison between fictional porn and normal fiction.

Can you explain why? Do you feel the same for example about action movies that are mostly thin stories working towards a grand shooting finale? Or, say, the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, where the nearly random main story arc is only there to tie humorous situations together?

Is the problem that the story is subservient to the sex scenes, or is your objection that there is so much focus on sex? Would you be happier if the books had the same sex scenes in a more developed story?

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They all seem rather pointless to me. But I don't like the comparison between fictional porn and normal fiction.

Can you explain why? Do you feel the same for example about action movies that are mostly thin stories working towards a grand shooting finale?

Yes.

Or, say, the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, where the nearly random main story arc is only there to tie humorous situations together?

Humour is worth it. Although I do prefer a driving plot.

Is the problem that the story is subservient to the sex scenes, or is your objection that there is so much focus on sex? Would you be happier if the books had the same sex scenes in a more developed story?

Yes. An abundance of sex isn't inherently bad, but it's shitty writing when it's the only thing there.

podbaydoor wrote: I have no idea why you think novels which are in a genre whose entire stated intention is to convey stories about romance and sex, shouldn't be conveying romance and sex.

It's a criticism of the genre, not so much of this execution of the genre.
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All right, I suppose that general criticism of the romance genre is frequent and legitimate. But that is still not an argument that minors should be forbidden from reading it.
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Postby sourmìlk » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:16 pm UTC

podbaydoor wrote:All right, I suppose that general criticism of the romance genre is frequent and legitimate. But that is still not an argument that minors should be forbidden from reading it.


I didn't intend for it to be.
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sourmìlk wrote:a) I'm pretty sure the parents are right in that a minor shouldn't be reading that.
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Postby sourmìlk » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:22 pm UTC

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sourmìlk wrote:a) I'm pretty sure the parents are right in that a minor shouldn't be reading that.

Oh right, that. I'm going to retroactively say that it was an intentional hyperbole because 3-foot long penis tails?
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Postby podbaydoor » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:30 pm UTC

How do you know the tails are even used in the sex scenes? Have you read the books? Anyway, how would it be different from using a mechanical toy?

Perhaps we're viewing the book summary with different levels of incredulity because we've had different levels of exposure to that kind of thing, and I'm jaded.
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Postby Endless Mike » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:32 pm UTC

Wasn't Avatar all about three foot long penis tails to ride space horses?

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Postby Dauric » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:34 pm UTC

Endless Mike wrote:Wasn't Avatar all about three foot long penis tails to ride space horses?


Bio-USB-Tail-Port sex as well.
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Postby sourmìlk » Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:35 pm UTC

podbaydoor wrote:Perhaps we're viewing the book summary with different levels of incredulity because we've had different levels of exposure to that kind of thing, and I'm jaded.


Likely this.
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Oregonaut wrote:I have read Mystique/Nightcrawler fan fiction where Mystique changed into every other member of the then current X-Man roster. It was skeery.

That's creepy on several levels.
And yet I still want a link.....
sourmìlk wrote:Yes. An abundance of sex isn't inherently bad, but it's shitty writing when it's the only thing there.
Stopped caring about your contributions to this thread right here, because from what I can tell nit only have you not read into the genre much, you also don't seem to have even vaguely similar standards of good writing to me. (Lotsa sex with an excuse plot can still be written well, IMHO)


Also, this.....is a pretty dhitty move on the part of the parents. She was keeping it out of the classroom and was doing a good job teaching her students, so I don't see any reason for this to have been brought up aside from a feeling of self-entitled moral superiority or reactionary small mindedness.

Ah well, odds are she won't be fired and'll get a lot of sales, so hopefully this'll have a 'happy ending' for her.
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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby qmar » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:14 pm UTC

Last time I was in a book store I was poking around in the erotic novel SECTION, there is no one guarding it.

Should children not be allowed in bookstores anymore in case they inadvertently pick up the wrong book? The fact that people are so uptight about sex astounds me.

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Postby sourmìlk » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:21 pm UTC

qmar wrote:Last time I was in a book store I was poking around in the erotic novel SECTION, there is no one guarding it.

Should children not be allowed in bookstores anymore in case they inadvertently pick up the wrong book? The fact that people are so uptight about sex astounds me.


As somebody who barely knows a damn thing about except the mechanics, it does seem like the taboo is rather unnecessary. I can't figure out any logic behind the origins of the extremism of american society's feelings towards sex.
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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby Dauric » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:22 pm UTC

qmar wrote:Last time I was in a book store I was poking around in the erotic novel SECTION, there is no one guarding it.

Should children not be allowed in bookstores anymore in case they inadvertently pick up the wrong book? The fact that people are so uptight about sex astounds me.


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That aside, there are people who genuinely believe that any book that's not the bible should be destroyed. Some of them write books about it....
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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby buddy431 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:38 pm UTC

Judging from some of the more recent news articles, it looks like most people are pretty blasé about the whole thing. Which is pretty much the ideal response, in my opinion.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/04/midd-west_high_school_teachers.html

According to one of Buranich’s Facebook supporters, parents, students and teachers have known about Buranich’s writings for more than two decades.

“She doesn’t bring it into her classroom. It’s not like something that’s coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden,“ Trisha Carnahan Bingaman, whose two children and her husband were taught by Buranich, said in a phone interview. “This is a great teacher, and I’ve heard nothing but good comments.

“What a teacher does in her private time ... is nobody’s business,“ Bingaman said.


It sounds like things have been fine just the way they were, and there's no reason to raise a stink now.
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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby Aikanaro » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:53 pm UTC

Spoiler:
Dauric wrote:
qmar wrote:Last time I was in a book store I was poking around in the erotic novel SECTION, there is no one guarding it.

Should children not be allowed in bookstores anymore in case they inadvertently pick up the wrong book? The fact that people are so uptight about sex astounds me.


Libraries are government-funded dens of Sin and Depravity.

...ahem...

That aside, there are people who genuinely believe that any book that's not the bible should be destroyed. Some of them write books about it....

/struggles to fight off aneurysm...

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Re: Think About The Children Watch: Teacher Writes Erotic No

Postby sourmìlk » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:00 pm UTC

I don't like that as the paradox monster. there's nothing paradoxical about him.

And there's nothing paradoxical about writing a book you think should be destroyed.
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