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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby addams » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:45 am UTC

sardia wrote:
Xenomortis wrote:
SlyReaper wrote:Because ethics are vague and ambiguous by nature. It often comes down to "it's wrong because I feel in my gut that it's wrong".

This.
Ethics are not something that you can be terribly objective about.

As for incest:
There are biological reasons for wanting to discourage it; it really is a "bad thing" from a genetics point of view.
But I'm uncomfortable with the idea of using that line of thinking as a reason for the state preventing relationships/unions.

I'm not sure what I think on the issue, but I don't think it should be punished with jail sentences.

Does that mean incest is ok for the elderly and infertile? Or two people of the same sex or wear protection? What if on top of all that, they kept it a secret on the level of, among 6 billion people, x percent of them committed incest.

Shall we dispense with the Two Headed Monster idea.

In genetics there are double recessives.
There is some Math involved.

I listened to a set of lectures.
Genetics.

The brother/sister thing came up.
Who do we Notice?

The Two Headed Monster.
We do not notice the close, highly functional family.
They are background noise.

That thing seems to have a nice normal bell shaped curve.
Those people are a minority under ideal conditions for Them.

You don't notice.
The perfect child.
The one that got the Other Alleles.

The Good Alleles.
Sweetness made flesh.

It has been known in human herstory that some Royals were more than encouraged to Marry Family and produce a human that lives.
I like to think some of those marriages were not all skin crawly ordeals. Stories say many were as content as people have a right to be.
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby DR6 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:45 am UTC

Xenomortis wrote:This.
Ethics are not something that you can be terribly objective about.

As for incest:
There are biological reasons for wanting to discourage it; it really is a "bad thing" from a genetics point of view.
But I'm uncomfortable with the idea of using that line of thinking as a reason for the state preventing relationships/unions.

I'm not sure what I think on the issue, but I don't think it should be punished with jail sentences.


The argument the advocates used was that having kids while having genetic problems is already legal anyway, and the odds of the kids having genetic problems are higher there than with sibling couples.

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Postby Xenomortis » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:06 am UTC

DR6 wrote:The argument the advocates used was that having kids while having genetic problems is already legal anyway, and the odds of the kids having genetic problems are higher there than with sibling couples.

That's why I'm uncomfortable with the genetics view; the same argument would be used against people with genetic diseases, and I don't want that.
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Postby addams » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:59 pm UTC

Xenomortis wrote:
DR6 wrote:The argument the advocates used was that having kids while having genetic problems is already legal anyway, and the odds of the kids having genetic problems are higher there than with sibling couples.

That's why I'm uncomfortable with the genetics view; the same argument would be used against people with genetic diseases, and I don't want that.

Did you make that Clear Enough? Xenomortis?
It is Not illegal for two people with Cerebral Palsy to Marry.
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Postby Angua » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:35 pm UTC

New law allowing parody on copyrighted material is coming into effect in the UK (and, I think the rest of the EU?).

Apparently HISHE had to change their Frozen one because their Let it go was too similar to the disney version - this won't affect them as they're in north america, but will be interesting to see if other countries follow suit.

edit - fixed link
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Postby addams » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:03 pm UTC

Gee, Angua;
That post is as hard to read as one of mine.

That's not like you.
Feverish?
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Postby Angua » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:09 pm UTC

Too much revision getting to my head!

Fixed the link. HISHE (How it should have ended) is a youtube channel that does parody endings of movies.

Probably makes a bit more sense now :P
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Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:17 pm UTC

iPhone 6+ is bendy at a particular weak point. It doesn't take much effort to permanently bend your phone there. There are a whole slew of responses, from Consumer Reports, to BBC, to CNBC and so on. Its taking the media by storm.

#BendGate is the twitter tag. Most official media seems to deny the problem or downplay it (the Consumer Reports stuff is extremely scientific and worth watching), but its interesting to me how everyone seems to be getting different results from what should be a simple uniform test.

If I had $800+ to blow, I'd buy an iPhone 6+ and bend it myself. But... that sounds... expensive... and wasteful. So I guess I just gotta watch everyone else do it and wonder what the truth is.
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Postby Angua » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:27 pm UTC

Note 3 survives!!

Good news for me!
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Postby Mutex » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:16 pm UTC

Angua wrote:Note 3 survives!!

Good news for me!


That was a painful watch. I'd never expect my Samsung phone to take that kind of torture, it's astonishing that it can.

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Postby Angua » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:21 pm UTC

Yeah, I was really cringing while he was doing it.

Definitely not something I'd ever want to experiment with myself.
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Postby DSenette » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:32 pm UTC

I'd love to get paid to just bend devices all day.....that would be such a satisfying job.
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Postby ahammel » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:33 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:iPhone 6+ is bendy at a particular weak point. It doesn't take much effort to permanently bend your phone there

Don't do that.

#problemsolved
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Postby DSenette » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:39 pm UTC

ikr? how dare someone expect to be able to carry a phone around in their front pocket without the thing bending (ANY bending is unacceptable in a phone unless it's one of those heretofore NOT IN EXISTENCE flexible phones)
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Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:44 pm UTC

ahammel wrote:
KnightExemplar wrote:iPhone 6+ is bendy at a particular weak point. It doesn't take much effort to permanently bend your phone there

Don't do that.

#problemsolved


I wouldn't do this to my phone either... or this to my tablet (in front of the media as well o.O)... but I'd feel a lot more comfortable with buying a phone / tablet if it can take that kind of punishment.

My current phone cracked it screen falling out of my pocket while I got out of a car. You accidentally damage phones regularly, but I expect the higher end devices (especially a $750 phone) to have undergone rigorous stress tests. Its just an expectation IMO of high-end devices. I mean, you can get a decent laptop for cheaper than an unlocked iPhone 6 Plus.

To be fair... the consumer reports video does show that Apple has significant amounts of testing equipment, measuring and testing the iPhone all over the place. However, for whatever reason, they missed testing the weak point by the volume rocker on the iPhone 6+. (it doesn't affect the slightly cheaper iPhone 6). Despite being a weakpoint that is obvious in hindsight, I can imagine that the engineers at Apple overlooked the problem. After all, it seems like you need to apply pressure specifically to the volume rocker for it to break.
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Postby Mutex » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:40 pm UTC

My gf pointed out that the Note 3 is 1.2mm thicker than the iPhone 6 Plus (8.3mm vs 7.1mm). An extra mm of thickness makes a big difference to the strength. I'd guess the materials make a difference too, plastic tends to return to its original shape after bending while aluminium doesn't.

If the thickness is significantly to blame, I guess this means that Apple went too far trying to make their product as thin as possible. 1.2mm thickness isn't really a difference you'd notice visually, so trading a huge amount of durability for it is a bad trade-off. 8ish mm is thin enough.

This isn't the first time Apple have focused on style over practicality - remember the iPhone 4's aluminium case that you had to "hold right"? And each new laptop they bring out seems to have fewer and fewer ports to make it thinner.

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Postby DSenette » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:56 pm UTC

woman jailed for a month because police thought the spaghetti-o's residue on her spoon was meth

don't they have some kind of spot test for this kind of thing? like...a cop can drop some juice in a vial and tell if something is crack....don't they have a meth one?
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Postby sardia » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:34 pm UTC

DSenette wrote:woman jailed for a month because police thought the spaghetti-o's residue on her spoon was meth

don't they have some kind of spot test for this kind of thing? like...a cop can drop some juice in a vial and tell if something is crack....don't they have a meth one?

Why would you waste precious resources on a meth head? Sarcasm

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DSenette wrote:woman jailed for a month because police thought the spaghetti-o's residue on her spoon was meth

don't they have some kind of spot test for this kind of thing? like...a cop can drop some juice in a vial and tell if something is crack....don't they have a meth one?

More importantly, don't they have a rule about having evidence of a crime before you throw people in the slammer?
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Postby addams » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:43 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:My gf pointed out that the Note 3 is 1.2mm thicker than the iPhone 6 Plus (8.3mm vs 7.1mm). An extra mm of thickness makes a big difference to the strength. I'd guess the materials make a difference too, plastic tends to return to its original shape after bending while aluminium doesn't.

If the thickness is significantly to blame, I guess this means that Apple went too far trying to make their product as thin as possible. 1.2mm thickness isn't really a difference you'd notice visually, so trading a huge amount of durability for it is a bad trade-off. 8ish mm is thin enough.

This isn't the first time Apple have focused on style over practicality - remember the iPhone 4's aluminium case that you had to "hold right"? And each new laptop they bring out seems to have fewer and fewer ports to make it thinner.

Jeeze.
You have Space Age toys and you complain that the toy will not take Cave Man Brutallity.
I was considering what is going on with cheaper things being more sturdy.

Why would That be?
Because Kid's Toys are more durable.

Adults can have expensive and delicate possessions.
That is Old Fashioned Thinking.

I don't Want delicate tools for Real Life.
Walking on Egg Shells is Not Fun, for me.

I'm clumsy on a good day.
On an off day, I need durable tools.

Careful wealthy people from New York and those creepy guys at Time Square can have fancy delicate tools.
Adults must put effort into not breaking their delicate things. Children learn to be careful.

Personal Experence:
I did not have a phone.
I needed a phone.

A 13 year old girl agreed to loan me her cell phone.
That girl and that phone had been through a lot.

The girl looked wonderful.
Healthy and Bright.

The poor phone.
It's screen was broken.
It had a ton of things wrong with it.

I laughed and we talked for a moment.
It had been dropped, thrown, tossed, kicked, drawn on, spilled on...

The poor phone.
It worked fine for me.

When she grows up, she may have that phone in a drawer with old Love Notes.
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Postby Mutex » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:51 pm UTC

They should probably be able to deal with being in a jeans pocket though.

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Postby addams » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:57 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:They should probably be able to deal with being in a jeans pocket though.

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Don't wear Jeans!
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Postby sardia » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:09 am UTC

ahammel wrote:
DSenette wrote:woman jailed for a month because police thought the spaghetti-o's residue on her spoon was meth

don't they have some kind of spot test for this kind of thing? like...a cop can drop some juice in a vial and tell if something is crack....don't they have a meth one?

More importantly, don't they have a rule about having evidence of a crime before you throw people in the slammer?

Not for drug crimes, you have to prove yourself innocent, or rich & white.

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Postby addams » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:41 am UTC

sardia wrote:
ahammel wrote:
DSenette wrote:woman jailed for a month because police thought the spaghetti-o's residue on her spoon was meth

don't they have some kind of spot test for this kind of thing? like...a cop can drop some juice in a vial and tell if something is crack....don't they have a meth one?

More importantly, don't they have a rule about having evidence of a crime before you throw people in the slammer?

Not for drug crimes, you have to prove yourself innocent, or rich & white.

That's Not Fair!

Rich covers and protects Any Color.
Observation shows, Rich is even more protective of Color.

Healthy and Rich.
We like that guy.

How can ya' not?
He is Lovely.

None of that is The Point.
It's not fair for you to perpetuate the idea that white skin curries favor with other white people and the Justice System.

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There is a Class divide.

The Class divide is getting Wider and Wider.
It breaks my heart.

There are some ok people on both sides.
If I have to choose a team to Work and Play with,
I'll choose the Classy Side, thank you and The People very much,

Those guys...are quiet, gentle, educated and thoughtful.
On the Commoner's side we have Rapping Tatted Up Gangsters trying to frighten one another.

A Tatted Up Gangster or Gangster look-a-like, might have a harder time, when accused of crime,
than a Blue Black Man with a Oxford Education has, when accused of the same crime.

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Postby johnny_7713 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:35 am UTC

Mutex wrote:My gf pointed out that the Note 3 is 1.2mm thicker than the iPhone 6 Plus (8.3mm vs 7.1mm). An extra mm of thickness makes a big difference to the strength. I'd guess the materials make a difference too, plastic tends to return to its original shape after bending while aluminium doesn't.

If the thickness is significantly to blame, I guess this means that Apple went too far trying to make their product as thin as possible. 1.2mm thickness isn't really a difference you'd notice visually, so trading a huge amount of durability for it is a bad trade-off. 8ish mm is thin enough.

This isn't the first time Apple have focused on style over practicality - remember the iPhone 4's aluminium case that you had to "hold right"? And each new laptop they bring out seems to have fewer and fewer ports to make it thinner.


Resistance to (this direction of) bending scales with the third power of the thickness, so extra thickness will indeed help a lot.

While materials will certainly make a difference, aluminium will in fact return to its original shape as long as you don't load it past the yield point. Past the yield point some of the deformation will be plastic rather than elastic, which means it will be permanent. As the name implies plastics are also capable of plastic deformation. The stiffness (Young's modulus) and yield / maximum stresses of the material are what will determine the maximum bending you can apply. In this case though it appears that the weak point for all phones is the connection between the front and rear covers, as both covers are still intact (albeit deformed). I'm also quite amazed that the batteries survived having that deformation, looks like a good way to start yourself a lithium fire to me.

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Postby Zamfir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:12 am UTC

Lithium-polymer batteries are pretty flexible internally, they are made from a kind of cloth folded into a metal-foil pressure-resistant baggy.

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Postby addams » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:00 pm UTC

johnny_7713 wrote:
Mutex wrote:My gf pointed out that the Note 3 is 1.2mm thicker than the iPhone 6 Plus (8.3mm vs 7.1mm). An extra mm of thickness makes a big difference to the strength. I'd guess the materials make a difference too, plastic tends to return to its original shape after bending while aluminium doesn't.

If the thickness is significantly to blame, I guess this means that Apple went too far trying to make their product as thin as possible. 1.2mm thickness isn't really a difference you'd notice visually, so trading a huge amount of durability for it is a bad trade-off. 8ish mm is thin enough.

This isn't the first time Apple have focused on style over practicality - remember the iPhone 4's aluminium case that you had to "hold right"? And each new laptop they bring out seems to have fewer and fewer ports to make it thinner.


Resistance to (this direction of) bending scales with the third power of the thickness, so extra thickness will indeed help a lot.

While materials will certainly make a difference, aluminium will in fact return to its original shape as long as you don't load it past the yield point. Past the yield point some of the deformation will be plastic rather than elastic, which means it will be permanent. As the name implies plastics are also capable of plastic deformation. The stiffness (Young's modulus) and yield / maximum stresses of the material are what will determine the maximum bending you can apply. In this case though it appears that the weak point for all phones is the connection between the front and rear covers, as both covers are still intact (albeit deformed). I'm also quite amazed that the batteries survived having that deformation, looks like a good way to start yourself a lithium fire to me.

That is So interesting.
You know Materials!
By heart... So cool.

I have known a few.
Interesting stuff.

Copper is funny.
It is easy to bend, the first time.

I can't remember the details.
It changes in it's molecular form.

Men that don't know that, might bet.
Bet, anything some small guy or woman can do, he can do.

Well, Buck-O; Materials is a useful class.
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Copper bends easy, Once.
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Is Aluminum one of those Nobles.
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Does it Cold Weld?
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Postby Diadem » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:43 pm UTC

Xenomortis wrote:
DR6 wrote:The argument the advocates used was that having kids while having genetic problems is already legal anyway, and the odds of the kids having genetic problems are higher there than with sibling couples.

That's why I'm uncomfortable with the genetics view; the same argument would be used against people with genetic diseases, and I don't want that.

Why not? "You can have have sex or a relationship with, or marry, whoever you like, but you can't have kids if you know there is a significant chance of them having severe genetic defects".

There, problem solved. Siblings can do whatever they want, but we protect children from the consequences. And people with genetic defects can still have kids if they submit to genetic testing to make sure it's not passed on (it's not exactly fun to have to submit to such tests, but it's even less fun to be a kid with a genetic defect, so this demand is fair).
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Postby bigglesworth » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:44 pm UTC

Should you have the phenotype yourself before it's required?
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Postby Diadem » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:52 pm UTC

Well you'd have to define what constitutes a "significant chance of a severe genetic defect". I know a fair bit on genetics, but I'm no expert, so I'm open to better suggestions, but I would venture the best way to go about that would be to make an exhaustive list of situations where you're not allowed to have kids without testing, and an exhaustive list of situations where you're not allowed to have kids period (situations where either no test is available, or the condition is always passed on, making testing for it pointless).

And before people object: Yes, I realize fully that this forbidding people from having kids is harsh, and a big violation of what is traditionally considered a human right. Yes, it is harsh, but the alternative unfortunately is even harsher. And having kids is not (or at least, should not be) an unconditional human rights. Your right to have kids should never supersede the right of kids to have a full chance at life.
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Postby leady » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:59 pm UTC

no one worries about my my rights not to be taxed to death for the asshats that spit out 5 kids, 4 of which have the same genetic disease. In the UK I've seen these people lauded on the front of womens magazines. 1 is an accident, 2 is unfortunate, 3 is deliberate

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby addams » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:28 pm UTC

leady wrote:no one worries about my my rights not to be taxed to death for the asshats that spit out 5 kids, 4 of which have the same genetic disease. In the UK I've seen these people lauded on the front of womens magazines. 1 is an accident, 2 is unfortunate, 3 is deliberate

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby DSenette » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:33 pm UTC

Diadem wrote:Well you'd have to define what constitutes a "significant chance of a severe genetic defect". I know a fair bit on genetics, but I'm no expert, so I'm open to better suggestions, but I would venture the best way to go about that would be to make an exhaustive list of situations where you're not allowed to have kids without testing, and an exhaustive list of situations where you're not allowed to have kids period (situations where either no test is available, or the condition is always passed on, making testing for it pointless).

And before people object: Yes, I realize fully that this forbidding people from having kids is harsh, and a big violation of what is traditionally considered a human right. Yes, it is harsh, but the alternative unfortunately is even harsher. And having kids is not (or at least, should not be) an unconditional human rights. Your right to have kids should never supersede the right of kids to have a full chance at life.

but having kids......procreating....is quite literally one of the few things that is, in fact, a right of being a human. it is one of the few things that is a literal biological right. it's one of the few reasons that any species exists....to procreate. fitness of the offspring doesn't/shouldn't matter in any case when you're talking about someone's right to procreate.

people SHOULD be educated of the risks....and maybe in some cases social burdens shouldn't apply (i.e. if you knowingly risk the chance of having a child that will be a 100% burden to the social health network in your town maybe you don't get as much public assistance...though even that is pretty stupid), but it shouldn't have anything to do with your right to have a child.

reasonably healthy people have some chance of having a dramatically compromised child.....if the suggestion is that people of certain risk of having genetically compromised children (I'd like to see actual genetic statistical information that suggests that simple incest in a single generation has THAT HUGE of a risk compared to non incestuous single generation coupling) should be subjected to restrictions or testing, then that policy would kind of have to apply to almost everyone even non incestuous, or non known carriers of most genetic disorders.

I mean....dwarfism is genetic...but two dwarves can have "regular sized" babies....they do it all the time. should their right to procreate be limited?
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby Chen » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:10 pm UTC

DSenette wrote:but having kids......procreating....is quite literally one of the few things that is, in fact, a right of being a human. it is one of the few things that is a literal biological right. it's one of the few reasons that any species exists....to procreate. fitness of the offspring doesn't/shouldn't matter in any case when you're talking about someone's right to procreate.


What is a biological right? Rights are defined and enforced/protected by society. I can't see how there are inherent rights that are somehow enforced by nature. We have a right to live, but go tell that to the tiger or hurricane that is going to kill you.

Whether society should or shouldn't let people procreate is not related to whether or not procreation is the "purpose" of a species. From a pragmatic societal aspect, it would only be an issue with regards to health care costs associated with children with known genetic conditions. If the parents have the means to take care of the child without undo hardship on the rest of society from a known genetic condition, let them do so.

From a moral standpoint it's murkier. Is it "right" to conceive and birth a child you know will have some genetic disorders? What level of quality of life is acceptable? What about a condition you KNOW will cause the child to die within weeks? Or maybe 1 year? Or 10 years? It's a difficult line to draw. I mean what if the child can live their whole natural lives, but is severely handicapped (e.g., unable to ever care for themselves?). I'm not so sure just making it a blanket right to have any child is morally correct.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby CorruptUser » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:15 pm UTC

My metric for determining whether genetic issues should be grounds for abortion/etc is 'could humanity survive if everyone had these genes'? Because Red Queen Hypothesis (the reason for the 'inefficient' sexual procreation is that genetic variety is more important in offspring than numbers alone).

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby Tyndmyr » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:04 pm UTC

DSenette wrote:
Diadem wrote:Well you'd have to define what constitutes a "significant chance of a severe genetic defect". I know a fair bit on genetics, but I'm no expert, so I'm open to better suggestions, but I would venture the best way to go about that would be to make an exhaustive list of situations where you're not allowed to have kids without testing, and an exhaustive list of situations where you're not allowed to have kids period (situations where either no test is available, or the condition is always passed on, making testing for it pointless).

And before people object: Yes, I realize fully that this forbidding people from having kids is harsh, and a big violation of what is traditionally considered a human right. Yes, it is harsh, but the alternative unfortunately is even harsher. And having kids is not (or at least, should not be) an unconditional human rights. Your right to have kids should never supersede the right of kids to have a full chance at life.

but having kids......procreating....is quite literally one of the few things that is, in fact, a right of being a human. it is one of the few things that is a literal biological right. it's one of the few reasons that any species exists....to procreate. fitness of the offspring doesn't/shouldn't matter in any case when you're talking about someone's right to procreate.


And? Death is a biological fact as well. If you are relying on "it's my right", and then expecting society to care for your kid because you can't, when this was all...fairly forseeable, you've entirely swapped arguments. Because society caring for your kid isn't anything like a biological fact or right.

And yet, those arguing for the right to have babies that they will almost certainly be unable to care for thanks to additional needs, etc, never seem to argue in favor of just letting the baby die. That seems...like a more terrible way of fixing things.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby KrytenKoro » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:52 pm UTC

I believe we already have a thread for the topic of "right to procreation", available in the serious business forum.
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby Mutex » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:35 pm UTC

Microsoft have unveiled the next version of Windows. Called... Windows 10. Huh. Is 9 an unlucky number or something?

Got to love Microsoft's naming schemes. It's like they hate the idea people might be able to predict what the next version will be called, so they're deliberately as illogical as possible.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby eSOANEM » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:11 pm UTC

Microsoft have obviously cottoned on to the alternating good and bad OSes. This is clearly a sign that this OS sucks and they've skipped a number to try and warn people :p
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items, etc)

Postby yurell » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:26 pm UTC

Still no Cortana for PC? :(
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