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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby Sizik » Thu May 18, 2017 10:18 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:What movie theatre charges $17+ for a ticket?


3D movies cost 50% more for the extra dimension.
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Postby Soupspoon » Thu May 18, 2017 10:51 pm UTC

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CorruptUser wrote:What movie theatre charges $17+ for a ticket?


3D movies cost 50% more for the extra dimension.


But time is free? Or maybe we should imagine it's more complex than that...

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Postby Thesh » Thu May 18, 2017 10:56 pm UTC

It seems to me that the math should all work out if it's sold in spatial dimensions per hour.
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Postby ConMan » Thu May 18, 2017 11:16 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:What movie theatre charges $17+ for a ticket?

Around here, $20 for an adult ticket is not out of the ordinary. Plus a $1.50 booking fee per ticket if you buy them online. It certainly makes piracy sound a bit more enticing.
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Postby Liri » Fri May 19, 2017 12:31 am UTC

I was horrified at ticket prices in Sydney. I only went to one movie, with the guys and gals in my hostel room, and it was terrible. They were British, so I knew I shouldn't have trusted them.
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Postby CorruptUser » Fri May 19, 2017 1:32 am UTC

That's because of the Australia tax. See, Australia is far away, so everything has huge amounts of shipping costs involved, so everything is twice the price. Why do intellectual goods, which have virtually no shipping costs, still cost twice as much? Because fuck you, it's tradition!

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Postby Deva » Fri May 19, 2017 1:52 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:That's because of the Australia tax. See, Australia is far away, so everything has huge amounts of shipping costs involved, so everything is twice the price. Why do intellectual goods, which have virtually no shipping costs, still cost twice as much? Because fuck you, it's tradition!

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Postby Chen » Fri May 19, 2017 11:37 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:That's because of the Australia tax. See, Australia is far away, so everything has huge amounts of shipping costs involved, so everything is twice the price. Why do intellectual goods, which have virtually no shipping costs, still cost twice as much? Because fuck you, it's tradition!


Granted this was back in 2005 but when I saw a movie in Australia the price wasn't really too different than north american prices at the time. And that was in a fairly small city too.

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Postby SDK » Fri May 19, 2017 1:05 pm UTC

ConMan wrote: Plus a $1.50 booking fee per ticket if you buy them online. It certainly makes piracy sound a bit more enticing.

That's weird. Around here it's the opposite - tickets are cheaper if you buy them online ahead of time. Seems to me that's the way it should work, what with the internet being free and all.
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Postby Liri » Fri May 19, 2017 1:18 pm UTC

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ConMan wrote: Plus a $1.50 booking fee per ticket if you buy them online. It certainly makes piracy sound a bit more enticing.

That's weird. Around here it's the opposite - tickets are cheaper if you buy them online ahead of time. Seems to me that's the way it should work, what with the internet being free and all.

There's an $8 online booking fee for events hosted at the university where I work's performance spaces. It's a weird sort of setup - they're part of the university, but they bring in outside artists. Some university-led things also qualify, but not all of them. But yeah, $8!
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Postby Thesh » Fri May 19, 2017 1:21 pm UTC

But you are paying for the convenience/lack of competition!

Not as bad as Ticketmaster.
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Postby Zohar » Fri May 19, 2017 1:23 pm UTC

Yeah what Thesh said. Pretty much every theater I've been to does this. Also heard people call it a "maintenance fee" even though hiring fewer cashiers saves them a lot more than that. It's a bullshit way to get money for something that is incredibly convenient. I find it even worse in the US since you don't get assigned seats. So if you're going to a blockbuster film, you pay extra to get tickets online, and you still have to show up at least half an hour early to get decent seats.
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Postby Chen » Fri May 19, 2017 1:32 pm UTC

Is that common all through the US? The biggest theater chain in Montreal is Cineplex and they have their own phone app that is free and has no extra booking fees.

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Postby Thesh » Fri May 19, 2017 1:32 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:I find it even worse in the US since you don't get assigned seats. So if you're going to a blockbuster film, you pay extra to get tickets online, and you still have to show up at least half an hour early to get decent seats.


I went to a theater in Santa Monica that had recently added assigned seating via an automated kiosk, so that might become more widespread soon.

EDIT: Looking it up, the theater I went to was ArcLight Cinemas, which is smaller chain that's mostly in California.
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Postby Zohar » Fri May 19, 2017 1:36 pm UTC

Chen wrote:Is that common all through the US? The biggest theater chain in Montreal is Cineplex and they have their own phone app that is free and has no extra booking fees.

Almost all theaters I've been to in New York have that. The only exceptions were Alamo (a dine-in theater) and a single screen in a 10-screen building. I'm sure there are more, but it's very uncommon. The one theater I went to in Colorado was the same. The Alamo at least didn't charge extra, but you're expected to order food and drink there as well.
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Postby HES » Fri May 19, 2017 1:38 pm UTC

Was there a time where someone had to take the online orders and enter them manually into whatever booking system was in use?
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Postby Zohar » Fri May 19, 2017 1:45 pm UTC

I'm guessing no. Probably people would just call the theater in those times, that's what I did at least. I don't remember if there was a booking fee for that.
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Postby Thesh » Fri May 19, 2017 1:47 pm UTC

They tracked ticket sales with computers before the internet; I don't imagine much would have needed to change to allow both online and in-person sales.
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Postby Zamfir » Fri May 19, 2017 2:33 pm UTC

That kind of imagination lies at the root of every IT project disaster. "System A already has data X, system B generates data Y that is a lot like X. How hard can it be to connect them together?"

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Postby Mutex » Fri May 19, 2017 3:32 pm UTC

Given we're talking about ticket sales here, it's unlikely to be complicated.

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Postby Thesh » Fri May 19, 2017 3:36 pm UTC

Except when you store ticket sales as a 32-bit floating point for legacy reasons and have over 16 million tickets per show.
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Postby Felstaff » Sat May 20, 2017 12:57 am UTC

This is why the middle class Kodi.

I can't complain about the cinema near me. It's £5. That's $6.52 in Trumpdolla. (3 years ago that woulda been $8.52, but, y'know, Brexit). It's independent, so shows great indie films (but no Mindhorn, annoyingly) as well as blockbusters. The crowd are, uh, fairly code non-compliant.

It has an online booking thingy, but I've never used it, as you'd have to queue up to pick up the ticket anyway. They haven't exactly mastered this 21st century thing yet.
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Postby Coyne » Sat May 20, 2017 11:35 am UTC

Deva wrote:Qualifies more as ridiculous than humorous.
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Listen, "Texas man": crappy lawsuits like this are also a threat to civilized society.
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Coyne wrote:
Deva wrote:Qualifies more as ridiculous than humorous.
British Broadcasting Corporation wrote:...arguing his date's behaviour was "a threat to civilised society".

Ought to thank their friend. Caught this behavior early.

Listen, "Texas man": crappy lawsuits like this are also a threat to civilized society.


Not really. Every person is entitled to their day in court, but the judge is also entitled to dismiss the case, or apply sanctions such as labeling someone a Vexatious Litigant, in which case they need to get permission from a judge to before taking any legal action.

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Postby Coyne » Sun May 21, 2017 2:57 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:
Coyne wrote:
Deva wrote:Qualifies more as ridiculous than humorous.
British Broadcasting Corporation wrote:...arguing his date's behaviour was "a threat to civilised society".

Ought to thank their friend. Caught this behavior early.

Listen, "Texas man": crappy lawsuits like this are also a threat to civilized society.


Not really. Every person is entitled to their day in court, but the judge is also entitled to dismiss the case, or apply sanctions such as labeling someone a Vexatious Litigant, in which case they need to get permission from a judge to before taking any legal action.

Don't misunderstand me; I respect the right to sue. But the right to sue and the right to free speech can both be misused--and the results are not always beneficial for society. Consider pornography--or, if you prefer, snuff videos--how much do those benefit society?

As far as this guy's particular lawsuit goes, he did it supposedly to improve society. But it didn't--it made things worse--and he's deluding himself.
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Postby Soupspoon » Sun May 21, 2017 9:07 am UTC

Coyne wrote:Don't misunderstand me; I respect the right to sue. But the right to sue and the right to free speech can both be misused--and the results are not always beneficial for society. Consider pornography--or, if you prefer, snuff videos--how much do those benefit society?
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Postby CorruptUser » Sun May 21, 2017 9:58 am UTC

Coyne wrote:Consider pornography... how much do those benefit society?


They provide entertainment for tens of millions of men (and a few women) every single day? While you could make a case for the need for "socially conscious" porn, i.e., cracking down on all the "wrong" porn where the men have to trick or blackmail the women into sex, or all that disturbing incest porn that seems to be everywhere (srsly, wtf), porn itself isn't a problem.

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Postby Aiwendil » Sun May 21, 2017 4:24 pm UTC

Coyne's original point is nonetheless true, though: something can be within one's rights (e.g. protected speech) and still be harmful. For instance, freedom of speech protects people who say things like "Muslims should be banned from entering the U.S.", but saying that is still harmful to society.

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Postby sardia » Sun May 21, 2017 4:38 pm UTC

Aiwendil wrote:Coyne's original point is nonetheless true, though: something can be within one's rights (e.g. protected speech) and still be harmful. For instance, freedom of speech protects people who say things like "Muslims should be banned from entering the U.S.", but saying that is still harmful to society.

Coynes original point was actually that frivolous lawsuits are a problem and should be banned/reduced/etc etc. What people don't realize is that frivolous lawsuits​ are a common bogeyman perpetuated by big corporations who want to limit damages (aka cash fines etc) to their bottom line when they commit crimes or do wrong.
He may not realize he's regurgitating propaganda, but he is. It's the same bullshit reasoning behind binding arbitration, and limited class action lawsuits. It's all to bias things against the consumer.

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Postby Coyne » Mon May 22, 2017 3:52 am UTC

sardia wrote:
Aiwendil wrote:Coyne's original point is nonetheless true, though: something can be within one's rights (e.g. protected speech) and still be harmful. For instance, freedom of speech protects people who say things like "Muslims should be banned from entering the U.S.", but saying that is still harmful to society.

Coynes original point was actually that frivolous lawsuits are a problem and should be banned/reduced/etc etc. What people don't realize is that frivolous lawsuits​ are a common bogeyman perpetuated by big corporations who want to limit damages (aka cash fines etc) to their bottom line when they commit crimes or do wrong.
He may not realize he's regurgitating propaganda, but he is. It's the same bullshit reasoning behind binding arbitration, and limited class action lawsuits. It's all to bias things against the consumer.

It had nothing to do with frivolity.

He filed a lawsuit that probably cost him $500 so the judge would force the woman to submit and pay that $17. So he could force her to kiss his feet and admit she was wrong.

That is nothing but abuse: he's the kind that grows up into the guy you hear about in the news who shoots his ex so no other man can have her.
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Postby CorruptUser » Mon May 22, 2017 6:33 pm UTC

I don't think it costs $500 to go to small claims court. My google-fu says it's about $30. Still a net loss even if he wins, and yes, it's blatantly all about him "winning" some argument with a woman he isn't going to date anymore anyway. I hope his award is a restraining order.

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Postby heuristically_alone » Tue May 23, 2017 5:31 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:Yeah what Thesh said. Pretty much every theater I've been to does this. Also heard people call it a "maintenance fee" even though hiring fewer cashiers saves them a lot more than that. It's a bullshit way to get money for something that is incredibly convenient. I find it even worse in the US since you don't get assigned seats. So if you're going to a blockbuster film, you pay extra to get tickets online, and you still have to show up at least half an hour early to get decent seats.

Im seeing more and more theaters in America switch to assign seating. The 5 biggest theaters in the area near me all recently too out their seats and put in nicer reclineable chairs, but now the theaters sit less people and the ticket prices have skyrocketes up more.
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby heuristically_alone » Tue May 23, 2017 5:34 pm UTC

Coyne wrote:
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Aiwendil wrote:Coyne's original point is nonetheless true, though: something can be within one's rights (e.g. protected speech) and still be harmful. For instance, freedom of speech protects people who say things like "Muslims should be banned from entering the U.S.", but saying that is still harmful to society.

Coynes original point was actually that frivolous lawsuits are a problem and should be banned/reduced/etc etc. What people don't realize is that frivolous lawsuits​ are a common bogeyman perpetuated by big corporations who want to limit damages (aka cash fines etc) to their bottom line when they commit crimes or do wrong.
He may not realize he's regurgitating propaganda, but he is. It's the same bullshit reasoning behind binding arbitration, and limited class action lawsuits. It's all to bias things against the consumer.

It had nothing to do with frivolity.

He filed a lawsuit that probably cost him $500 so the judge would force the woman to submit and pay that $17. So he could force her to kiss his feet and admit she was wrong.

That is nothing but abuse: he's the kind that grows up into the guy you hear about in the news who shoots his ex so no other man can have her.


Actually civil law suits in small claims courts is not that expensive (if you're not paying for a lawyer). Maybe $15 in filing fees $25 for court time. And usually if you are zuing for say $17 and win, you also sue them for all or part of the court costs.
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