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Postby commodorejohn » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:48 pm UTC

I suppose - maybe it's all a scam!
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Postby sardia » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:58 pm UTC

commodorejohn wrote:I suppose - maybe it's all a scam!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes- ... olive-oil/
Well, it is.
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http://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/ ... afiaot.jpg
[/img] apparently, this is what real olive oil looks like. Something between a cross of fruit juice and wine.

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Postby LaserGuy » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:25 pm UTC

commodorejohn wrote:Yeah, I went with my brother and sister-in-law to visit a...a...an oilery?...where we spent about forty minutes listening to a chipmunky little old man berate nobody in particular over the general public's unrefined taste and absolute ignorance of proper olive oil procedures (DON'T COOK IT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T COOK IT YOU IGNORANT PHILISTINE) before trying four different samples of True Olive Oil...which tasted exactly like every other time I've ever had olive oil.

Yup.


My impression was the big difference was actually in the health benefits. "Bad" olive oils are usually cut with canola or sunflower oil, which have a lot of the more unhealthy kinds of fats.

And yes, you should cook with olive oil.

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Postby Thesh » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:39 pm UTC

sardia wrote:
commodorejohn wrote:I suppose - maybe it's all a scam!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes- ... olive-oil/
Well, it is.
[img]
http://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/ ... afiaot.jpg
[/img] apparently, this is what real olive oil looks like. Something between a cross of fruit juice and wine.

That's not necessarily real olive oil, or good olive oil, it's just unfiltered. Most olive oil you buy is clear since the sediment has been removed.
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Postby Sableagle » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:03 pm UTC

sardia wrote:What I plan to test is if the issue is the lack of good olive oil or if it really is a sensory issue. I'm Financially secure now, but it's hard to justify buying TWO bottles of 20$+ olive oil, especially since there are limited uses for oil that shouldn't be heated.
Maybe I should host an Italian party or something. Pasta, salad, bread, etc etc. Might be able to use up a bottle of I bring a bunch of friends.


You could invite people who don't speak Italian to attempt to follow an Italian recipe book without using translation services or dictionaries or whatever.

The last place I stayed in Austria had multiple different bottles of olive oil and balsamic vinegar on the side for people to put on their salads. I could have quite happily lived on that salad buffet if I hadn't been hiking ... and probably even with the hiking, if it had been open at breakfast too.
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Postby commodorejohn » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:44 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:And yes, you should cook with olive oil.

Damn straight :D
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Postby Mutex » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:55 pm UTC

The BBC reporting on some big new wind turbines gives us the expected power output:

Once running, they will generate enough electricity for a city twice the size of Belfast - about 230,000 homes.


At peak operation each turbine can produce the same amount of energy in one day as contained in 22,600 barrels of oil.


So they used two units of measurement there: the famous "Belfast" unit, and also "barrels / day". Apparently using watts or megawatts would be ridiculous.

I expect the power rating on all electrical devices in the future to be in nano-Belfasts.

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Postby Zohar » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:59 pm UTC

They're being assembled... in Belfast. To be placed... in Belfast. It makes perfect sense to state how much power they'll be able to provide to the city they're going to be set in.
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Postby thunk » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:05 pm UTC

mutex wrote:So they used two units of measurement there: the famous "Belfast" unit, and also "barrels / day". Apparently using watts or megawatts would be ridiculous.

I expect the power rating on all electrical devices in the future to be in nano-Belfasts.


As Randall keeps saying, throwing out numbers without context is poor communication. So this actually makes sense.
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Postby Dauric » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:08 pm UTC

thunk wrote:
mutex wrote:So they used two units of measurement there: the famous "Belfast" unit, and also "barrels / day". Apparently using watts or megawatts would be ridiculous.

I expect the power rating on all electrical devices in the future to be in nano-Belfasts.


As Randall keeps saying, throwing out numbers without context is poor communication. So this actually makes sense.


Even with context there's limits to the size and complexity of numbers that the human brain can really be wrapped around. Saying that a megawatt is enough to power 16,666 household (60-watt) light bulbs gives context, but the number is simply too big to meaningfully visualise that many light bulbs. The concept of "A City" can be thought of as a single object, despite being composed of millions of individual electrical devices, and these turbines powering "Two Cities" is a more meaningful mental image for the reader (who doesn't really need a full-on technical definition as the vast majority of BBC readers aren't going to be building one of these in their backyard.. or if they are they have other sources to get the technical details from).
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Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:35 pm UTC

I would agree that this is poor context. I don't know, offhand, exactly how much power Belfast takes, and I suspect that this is NOT Belfast's actual usage, merely a matchup of average home taxes x power, this produces x*230,000, Belfast has about x/2 homes. Yes, I could probably reverse engineer this to get something quasi meaningful, but at no point does the translation to Belfasts actually encourage understanding beyond "a fuckton of electricity" levels.

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Postby elasto » Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:01 am UTC

A man made an unplanned Pokestop when his car crashed into a Melbourne school, police have said.

Officers say the man was trying to capture a creature from the Pokémon Go mobile phone app when he lost control of his vehicle while negotiating a roundabout.

The car smashed through a fence and into a school portable building in Berwick at 6.50pm on Thursday. No one was injured.

Government agency VicRoads introduced almost 40 flashing road signs warning drivers “Don’t drive and Pokémon” a few days ago.


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Postby Carlington » Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:00 am UTC

Mutex wrote:The BBC reporting on some big new wind turbines gives us the expected power output:...

It's eight megawatts, which I learned from the third google result for 'Belfast wind turbine'. People who really want that information need only make the slightest of efforts to get it.
Newspapers and online news services, being for general circulation, need to be accessible to laypeople. I contend that "two Belfasts" is perfectly audience appropriate - most BBC readers have a sense of how much is in a Belfast. Similarly, I notice that they described the area swept as being "as big as the London Eye" which, again, people are going to have an idea of how big that is. 21124 square metres? Well, I mean, if I think about a standard rugby field being 100 by 50 metres, that's 5000 square metres. So that's four-and-a-bit rugby fields. Now I just need to mentally stitch those together, try and change it from an oblong to a circle without losing the sense of its area, and imagine it being covered by a wind turbine's blades. I have an idea of how big a square metre is but I can't imagine twenty thousand of them in any meaningful way.

The crux is audience awareness. Writing or speaking to your audience, with appropriate language. This is a skill which, in my experience, is found less often in scientists and engineers. They write for themselves, and seem to have difficulty with the idea that others don't necessarily have the same knowledge.
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Postby Mutex » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:33 am UTC

I'm perfectly ok with them using points of references for lay people. It just struck me as odd they couldn't mention the actual number once. The BBC is really bad at that, especially when it comes to radiation, but in most scientific things.

And the problem is, since general news sites don't ever mention the actual numbers in the appropriate unit of measurement at all, then lay people *never* become familiar with the units of measurement and some idea of the scale.

Zohar wrote:They're being assembled... in Belfast. To be placed... in Belfast. It makes perfect sense to state how much power they'll be able to provide to the city they're going to be set in.


They're being placed in the sea off of Liverpool. But I don't agree that the fact they're assembled in Belfast makes it an ideal comparison.

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Postby Echo244 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:40 am UTC

We really need them to standardise around the Wales as a unit of measurement.
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Postby HES » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:56 am UTC

Echo244 wrote:We really need them to standardise around the Wales as a unit of measurement.

You still need subdivisions though, centiwales is clunky. How many Belfasts in a Wales?
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Postby Mutex » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:58 am UTC

No you're getting mixed up, the Wales is a unit of area, the Belfast is a unit of power.

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How many megawatts in an Olympic sized swimming pool?
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Postby Diadem » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:59 am UTC

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Postby Zohar » Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:40 pm UTC

Mutex wrote:They're being placed in the sea off of Liverpool. But I don't agree that the fact they're assembled in Belfast makes it an ideal comparison.

OK, sorry for that mistake. Still, it's easy for more of the target audience of that article to visualize that, as has been mentioned.
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Postby plytho » Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:14 pm UTC

the article wrote:Once running, they will generate enough electricity for a city twice the size of Belfast - about 230,000 homes.


I agree that a city is easier to visualize than a megawatt. What I find annoying about these kinds of comparisons is that they're usually only talking about homes, even though residential use is about a third of total electricity use (according to this link.

This makes this comparison unclear and misleading.
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Postby Grop » Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:24 pm UTC

Especially a harbor city like Belfast must be using much more electricity per home than a larger city with only homes, shops and offices.

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Postby elasto » Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:31 pm UTC

While US cops need to handcuff innocent people they've shot to feel safe, Swedish police need nothing more than a tight bikini to apprehend criminals!

A bikini-clad Swedish police officer has been praised for tackling a suspected thief while she was off-duty sunbathing with friends in Stockholm.

Mikaela Kellner told the Aftonbladet daily that she and a fellow officer pursued the man when they realised he had taken one of their mobile phones.

She told the paper that she would have intervened "even if she were naked".


Brings a whole new meaning to the term 'hardened criminal'!

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elasto wrote:While US cops need to handcuff innocent people they've shot to feel safe, Swedish police need nothing more than a tight bikini to apprehend criminals!

A bikini-clad Swedish police officer has been praised for tackling a suspected thief while she was off-duty sunbathing with friends in Stockholm.

Mikaela Kellner told the Aftonbladet daily that she and a fellow officer pursued the man when they realised he had taken one of their mobile phones.

She told the paper that she would have intervened "even if she were naked".


Brings a whole new meaning to the term 'hardened criminal'!

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Damn Norwegians, why not give it to us? We need it much more!
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Postby commodorejohn » Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:22 pm UTC

Oh, sure, countries always say they want a mountain, but who winds up feeding it, cleaning up after it, and taking it to the geologist?
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Imagine how much wrapping paper they're gonna need.

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Postby Angua » Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:13 pm UTC

Probably came pre-wrapped with a [ox] bow lake.
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I'm waiting for the inevitable Scandinavia and the World comic about it.
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Sizik wrote:I'm waiting for the inevitable Scandinavia and the World comic about it.
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Postby CorruptUser » Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:12 pm UTC

Ryan Bundy, of that 41 day standoff in the Oregon wildlife refuge,files motion declaring himself an idiot.

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CorruptUser wrote:Ryan Bundy, of that 41 day standoff in the Oregon wildlife refuge, files motion declaring himself an idiot.

Not what it sounds like. Rather, just what he says by elaborating in parenthesis. He's using a 14th c. usage of "idiot" meaning "outsider". Amusing, though.

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Postby addams » Sat Jul 30, 2016 9:23 pm UTC

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Wait no longer

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Postby elasto » Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:02 pm UTC

In England and Wales in the 12 months to March 2016, British police discharged their firearms on just seven occasions, the statistics, released on Thursday show.

This figure is actually a record, of sorts. In the same period ending in March 2013, firearms were used only three times. In the 2015 period they were used six times. Seven uses of weapons is the highest since at least 2009.

The number of police officers authorised to use firearms has also been falling in a long-term trend. In 2009 there were 6,906 such special officers in England and Wales; in March 2016 there were just 5,639, with a decline recorded in almost all intervening years.

The United States of course has a bigger population than the UK – Britain has 64.1 million residents, the US 319 million. But on a per-capita basis, Britain’s rate of police gun use would translate into US police using their guns on 35 occasions in an entire year. This would be an unthinkably low number.


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http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/0 ... -reasoning
hey found was this: that people rejected their own arguments over 50 percent of the time, failing to find them sufficiently compelling to change what they thought was their initial response. In other words, people were less critical of the very same arguments when they produced them themselves than when they were later presented as coming from another person. Evaluating these arguments also led to an overall improvement in performance: Accuracy increased from around 40 percent in the initial phase to around 60 percent after participants evaluated their own argument in disguise.

There are several ways to interpret these results. The authors of the study take them as evidence for a theory according to which human reasoning is principally geared towards effective argumentation rather than knowledge-seeking. But for present purposes, we can draw a timely, if more modest, conclusion: that when it comes to evaluating arguments across the political spectrum — especially those that challenge our own views — we would do well to bear in mind the selective laziness of reasoning.

When people are presented with their own arguments but stated as coming from others, participants would reject 50 percent of their own arguments as insufficiently compelling.

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Postby Diadem » Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:47 am UTC

That's an interesting study, but I don't think it proves what they say it proves.

They make people evaluate an argument they themselves made earlier, while tricking them into thinking it came from someone else. Then they show that people often disagree with their own argument. But also that the accuracy of the answers goes up. So people don't randomly disagree with their own arguments. They disagree more often when those arguments are actually flawed.

So what's missing from this study is a control group: Do people only disagree with their own argument if they think it comes from someone else, or also if they know it's their own argument? Because in the latter case all you've shown is that people get more accurate if they think about a problem a second time, which should not be surprising.

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Postby sardia » Tue Aug 02, 2016 6:25 pm UTC

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... asm-exists
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Postby elasto » Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:18 am UTC

Hold on, everyone: Australia’s on the move, with its latitude and longitude due to shift nearly 2m early next year.

The continent moves about 7cm north-north-east every year because of the movement of the Earth’s tectonic plates.

But it means a gap between Australia’s latitude and longitude as it is shown on local coordinates, which move with their local continent – and global coordinates, which don’t.

The latitude and longitude given by modern global navigation satellite systems, such as GPS, are fixed to the rest of the world and as such offset as the Australian continent drifts over time.

The Geocentric Datum of Australia, the country’s local coordinate system, was last updated in 1994, and Australia is now about 1.5m further north-north-east (or, to give the metric used in a BBC infographic: about the height of a kangaroo).

Daniel Jaksa of Geoscience Australia, the body responsible for mapping the continent, told Guardian Australia the shortfall between the two systems would be addressed with an upcoming change.

“We’re working on moving Australia’s latitude and longitude to reflect our actual position in the world.”

Australia will shift its longitude and latitude by 1.8m in the direction of its tectonic motion from 1 January 2017, with the overcorrection meaning the local and global coordinates will align in 2020. Similar corrections were made in 1966, 1984 and 1994.

“This is the fourth time we’ve done this in the last 50 years,” Jaksa said. “The thing we’re doing differently here is we’re putting the lines of latitude and longitude further north-north-east to where Australia will be in January 2020.”

This means the update will remain current for longer.

Every nation does updates of this sort but Australia is located on the fastest-moving continental tectonic plate, which means more regular activity.

Jaksa said the fact the global coordinates did not reflect tectonic motion could have negative impacts for any technology that used that data – for example, in the future, self-driving cars.

“[The coordinates] we find in Australia for GPS are actually different to the local ones. It’s a problem for us when we want to integrate local mapping information with global systems like Google Maps or Apple Maps used on smartphones.

“It’s not just self-driving cars, it’s self-driving tractors, mining equipment – drones going around delivering pizzas that are currently being developed.”

Accurate, consistent data was also important for scientific investigation, Jaksa noted – “not just everyday mapping”.

He was hopeful the 2017 adjustment would be the last update of its kind, as Geoscience Australia eventually aims to move to a dynamic system that measures real-world coordinates by using the velocity of points on the continent.

“That will require quite a bit of technology change and innovation.”


Stupid real world not conforming.

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