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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby Sableagle » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:40 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:Except chickens are the most vile creatures known to agriculture.

Third-most.

Fox-hunters and those f'ck'ng GEESE! are worse. I don't know whether they're buff, American buff or pilgrim geese but they're arseholes.
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby Grop » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:53 pm UTC

Also I don't know what "vile" means beyond "I don't like them" or maybe "hi, I am an anagram of evil" so I have nothing to say.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:57 am UTC

"Vile" would be a combination of "disgusting" and "lacking in morals". It doesn't matter which you weight more heavily, chickens are the worst in both.
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Postby Coyne » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:55 am UTC

It's the dinosaurs' revenge.
In all fairness...

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby addams » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:37 am UTC

Yep.
Think about it.

T. Tex was a flightless Bird.
A large Chicken, as it were.

That explains the little arms.
It looked like an Emu. ewww!
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby pkcommando » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:39 am UTC

Anyone who's played Legend of Zelda knows not to piss off chickens.

Relating to the mention of geese above - I'll admit to a certain amount of smug satisfaction when my coworkers found out my concerns about the geese in our parking lot was not unfounded. I told them I grew up next to a woman who raised geese (and let the feathered assholes wander freely), but there's no way I could've known what I was talking about. WHO'S LAUGHING NOW, HUH?!?

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Postby Coyne » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:37 am UTC

How about attacks? Have they attacked anyone yet?
In all fairness...

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby addams » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:44 am UTC

Coyne wrote:How about attacks? Have they attacked anyone yet?
Both chickens and geese attack a lot of people.
I can handle a Goose.

A bad Rooster is worse.
Because it is difficult to control the bird without hurting the dang thing.
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby ObsessoMom » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:56 pm UTC

Hip-Hop Artists Give the Supreme Court a Primer on Rap Music

The New York Times wrote:In an interview, Killer Mike, the performer and political activist, said judicial treatment of rap music was sometimes infected by racism.

“Outlaw country music is given much more poetic license than gangster rap, and I listen to both,” he said. “And I can tell you that the lyrics are dark and brutal when Johnny Cash describes shooting a man in Reno just to watch him die and when Ice Cube rapped about a drive-by shooting early in his career.”

“It’s no different from stop and frisk,” he said. “It’s another form of racial profiling.”

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In their brief, the rappers said that assertion revealed “a court deeply unaware of popular music generally and rap music specifically.”

For support, they cited Ice-T’s memoir, in which he explained that there was a difference between the persona he adopted in the song “Cop Killer” and his actual one. “If you believe that I’m a cop killer,” he wrote, “you believe David Bowie is an astronaut.” (That was a reference, of course, to Bowie’s “Space Oddity.”)


Poetry or Threat? The Supreme Court May Weigh In on Rap Lyrics as Evidence

The Daily Appeal wrote:“There is one musical genre that seems almost wholly devoted to violence,” write two music professors and one criminologist in a 2017 academic paper. “Dozens of the most popular works in this genre graphically depict murders. Male protagonists boast about their physical and sexual prowess, frequently challenging other males to battles for no other reason than sheer pride.” Women are often “portrayed as wanton and shallow and easily manipulated for sexual purposes. … That genre, of course, is opera.”

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Postby Zohar » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:08 pm UTC

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Postby Soupspoon » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:49 pm UTC

I now have Kill the waabbit! Kill the waabbit!! going through my head.…

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Postby sardia » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:54 am UTC

For a second, I thought the most sexist/violent music was country. Didn't realize opera counted.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby CorruptUser » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:57 am UTC

You are joking? Country is the LEAST angry genre there is.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby ObsessoMom » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:15 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:You are joking? Country is the LEAST angry genre there is.


Wow, Miranda Lambert and Carrie Underwood sure seem to have missed that memo.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby CorruptUser » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:29 am UTC

Compare Country to Metal or Rap. Even Rock is pretty angry in comparison. The only major genre that's less angry than Country is Pop, but that's what you get with songs that are manufactured specifically to appeal to the widest audience.

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Postby sardia » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:08 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:Compare Country to Metal or Rap. Even Rock is pretty angry in comparison. The only major genre that's less angry than Country is Pop, but that's what you get with songs that are manufactured specifically to appeal to the widest audience.

https://www.inverse.com/article/20629-r ... ent-lyrics
Maybe it's a perception bias?
Study 1, a direct replication of previous research, found that participants deemed identical lyrics more literal, offensive, and in greater need of regulation when they were characterized as rap compared with country. Study 2 was a conceptual replication (i.e., same design but different stimuli), and again detected this effect. Study 3 used the same approach but experimentally manipulated the race of the author of the lyrics. A main effect was detected for the genre, with rap evaluated more negatively than country or a control condition with no label. However, no effects were found for the race of the lyrics’ author nor were interactions were detected. Collectively, these findings highlight the possibility that rap lyrics could inappropriately impact jurors when admitted as evidence to prove guilt.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby ObsessoMom » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:47 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:songs that are manufactured specifically to appeal to the widest audience


Oh, like these six Country hits, say?

(Then again, those six aren't angry, so I guess you win.)

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby CorruptUser » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:08 am UTC

Not sure we are disagreeing. Never said country was GOOD, only that it was relatively inoffensive. And bland, lacking true emotion, etc.

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Postby ObsessoMom » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:38 pm UTC

I think there are clever, passionate, talented artists in all genres, without exception, but I also think that Sturgeon was an optimist.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby CorruptUser » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:37 pm UTC

Varies by genre. Country, like Rap, finds its greatest strength in that virtually anyone can enter the genre. But its greatest weakness is that virtually anyone can enter the genre. Anyone can create lyrics and badly sing country songs while playing simplistic chords without having to bother harmonizing with a small group, while in Rap you dont even need that much. There is no barrier to entry in the form of tens of thousands of dollars in music lessons or capital investment in instruments, but there is no filter for the talentless hacks that try to claim to be a star. So yeah, those two are far more than 90% shit.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby commodorejohn » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:55 pm UTC

That's...an odd assertion. I mean, I could go out right now and drop about $500 on a halfway decent guitar and a modest solid-state amp (or, hell, like $150 for one of those godawful bottom-tier Squier "baby's first garage band" sets,) learn how to plunk out three chords, and start billing myself as a rock star just as easily as your hypothesized wannabe country/rap hacks, but that doesn't mean I'd automatically get taken seriously by anyone any more than they would.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I have plenty of bones to pick with both rap (a nice thing to spice up an actual song with, but all by itself it's like passing off a bowl of ground pepper as a meal) and modern country (can you hire a session fiddler to slather on top of your generic fratboy rock band and fake a thick but nonspecific Southern drawl? Congratulations, you're in!) but spending more money on gear and lessons isn't what makes a genre good.
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby CorruptUser » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:11 am UTC

Spending more money is what makes a genre exclusive, not good. But in making it exclusive, you eliminate the people that arent entirely serious or arent able to convince others to make the investment on their behalf, in addition to losing out on the naturally gifted but due to financial reasons undiscoverable artists.

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Postby Sableagle » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:41 pm UTC

commodorejohn wrote:I could go out right now and drop about $500 on a halfway decent guitar and a modest solid-state amp (or, hell, like $150 for one of those godawful bottom-tier Squier "baby's first garage band" sets,) learn how to plunk out three chords, and start billing myself as a rock star ... but that doesn't mean I'd automatically get taken seriously by anyone any more than they would.
Alternatively, you could download a free Roland 800 emulator, set up two bars of drum beat, put them on a loop and shout at it for a while and call yourself a rap artist.

I'm not sure why you're bothering to distinguish between opera and metal here. "Lyrical metal," as it's not known, is just opera in a bit of a hurry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oohFGOmcxuo Here I Go Again was just "metal" when it came out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c9iYZdsZMM You can't deny Iron Maiden are "metal," can you? "It's a song about how shitty war is, and about how shitty war is that it's started by politicians and it has to be finished by ordinary people who don't really want to kill anybody." When it comes to the time, are we partners in crime?

Important distinction: songs about violence don't necessarily glorify violence.

This is definitely about horrific violence on an industrial scale, but I'm inclined to agree with my English Lit. teacher that it doesn't glorify that violence:
Spoiler:
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

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Iron Maiden lyrics that sure sound violent when you listen to the song, but try reading them in character as a really, massively, pissed-off anti-war protester:
Spoiler:
Kill for gain or shoot to maim
But we don't need a reason
The Golden Goose is on the loose
And never out of season
Blackened pride still burns inside
This shell of bloody treason
Here's my gun for a barrel of fun
For the love of living death
The killer's breed or the Demon's seed
The glamour, the fortune and the pain
Go to war again, blood is freedom's stain
Don't you pray for my soul anymore
2 minutes to midnight
The hands that threaten doom
2 minutes to midnight
To kill the unborn in the womb
The blind men shout let the creatures out
We'll show the unbelievers
The Napalm screams of human flames
Of a prime time Belsen feast... yeah!
As the reasons for the carnage cut their meat and lick the gravy
We oil the jaws of the war machine and feed it with our babies
The killer's breed or the Demon's seed
The glamour, the fortune and the pain
Go to war again, blood is freedom's stain
Don't you pray for my soul anymore
2 minutes to midnight
The hands that threaten doom
2 minutes to midnight
To kill the unborn in the womb
The body bags and little rags of children torn in two
And the jellied brains of those who remain to put the finger right on you
As the madmen play on words and make us all dance to their song
To the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun
The killer's breed or the Demon's seed
The glamour, the fortune and the pain
Go to war again, blood is freedom's stain
Don't you pray for my soul anymore
2 minutes to midnight
The hands that threaten doom
2 minutes to midnight
To kill the unborn in the womb
Midnight
Midnight
Midnight
Is all night
Midnight
Midnight
Midnight
Is all night
Midnight
All night


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"Midnight" is, in the phrase "2 minutes to midnight," the moment when humanity wipes itself out in a nuclear war. The night leading up to midnight is our progress (if that's what you want to call it) towards that point. Well, if midnight is the time we indiscriminately kill each other in vast numbers and the night is the time since a hominid first tied a shard of rock to the end of a stick,

Midnight is all night.


Pretty sure that ain't glorifying it either.
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby The Great Hippo » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:07 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:Varies by genre. Country, like Rap, finds its greatest strength in that virtually anyone can enter the genre. But its greatest weakness is that virtually anyone can enter the genre. Anyone can create lyrics and badly sing country songs while playing simplistic chords without having to bother harmonizing with a small group, while in Rap you dont even need that much. There is no barrier to entry in the form of tens of thousands of dollars in music lessons or capital investment in instruments, but there is no filter for the talentless hacks that try to claim to be a star. So yeah, those two are far more than 90% shit.
You know that it's okay to not have an opinion about everything, right? Particularly when it comes to stuff you clearly don't know that much about?

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Postby ObsessoMom » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:54 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:
commodorejohn wrote:I could go out right now and drop about $500 on a halfway decent guitar and a modest solid-state amp (or, hell, like $150 for one of those godawful bottom-tier Squier "baby's first garage band" sets,) learn how to plunk out three chords, and start billing myself as a rock star ... but that doesn't mean I'd automatically get taken seriously by anyone any more than they would.
Alternatively, you could download a free Roland 800 emulator, set up two bars of drum beat, put them on a loop and shout at it for a while and call yourself a rap artist.


Who cares what some delusional amateur calls himself? Especially when fans of that genre don't even know that that guy even exists, and wouldn't think much of his work if they did?

It's perfectly fine to dislike any genre of music, for any reason...but whether somebody mediocre (and no one else) might think he's good at a particular genre seems like a particularly threadbare reason to me. Just sayin'.

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CorruptUser wrote:Varies by genre. Country, like Rap, finds its greatest strength in that virtually anyone can enter the genre. But its greatest weakness is that virtually anyone can enter the genre. Anyone can create lyrics and badly sing country songs while playing simplistic chords without having to bother harmonizing with a small group, while in Rap you dont even need that much. There is no barrier to entry in the form of tens of thousands of dollars in music lessons or capital investment in instruments, but there is no filter for the talentless hacks that try to claim to be a star. So yeah, those two are far more than 90% shit.


But there are variations of that in any genre. In rock you have punk; anyone who knows a couple of chords and can yell can make a punk song - whether or not anyone else will want to hear it, let alone pay money to hear it, is a whole other matter. That doesn't mean punk can't be awesome, or that there aren't punk artists who are amazingly talented; it's just one of the more accessible styles of rock music.

Country has some styles that are likewise very accessible - very easy to perform - and so a lot of people try their hand at that. But there is also some amazing country music, played by people with incredible talent. Same goes for rap... yeah, there are styles that are accessible to the point where just about anyone with access to a synth can try doing it - but there is also some amazing talent out there, including even some who perform that simplistic style. With rap it's not so much about talent playing an instrument - it's more about arrangement. It's just as much a skill as playing.

That's one of the great things about music - it's something that just about anyone can try to do. A very small number end up being good enough to make a living from it. But honestly, some of the coolest shows I've ever been to have been with bands that everyone (including them) knows is never going to sell a record - they're just doing it because they enjoy doing it.

Pretty much any genre of music that's popular is going to have variants that are more accessible to folks wanting to try doing them... but actually that's a credit to the genre. People wouldn't be trying to get into country or rap if those genres weren't enormously popular.

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Postby commodorejohn » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:19 pm UTC

Sableagle wrote:
commodorejohn wrote:I could go out right now and drop about $500 on a halfway decent guitar and a modest solid-state amp (or, hell, like $150 for one of those godawful bottom-tier Squier "baby's first garage band" sets,) learn how to plunk out three chords, and start billing myself as a rock star ... but that doesn't mean I'd automatically get taken seriously by anyone any more than they would.

Alternatively, you could download a free Roland 800 emulator, set up two bars of drum beat, put them on a loop and shout at it for a while and call yourself a rap artist.

Which is pretty much my point. The barrier-to-entry for the one genre may be "literally free provided you have a computer and a microphone" versus "paper-route money," but it's still pretty much negligible. But merely being able to perform/record things that could broadly be passed off as belonging to that genre doesn't guarantee that anybody is ever going to hear about you, care about your work, or catapult you to some measurable amount of recognition as an artist in that genre. That takes a whole lot more (and a bit of a different skillset) than just being able to plunk out bare musical formulae, without which you're pretty much going to linger in obscurity until Myspace finally deletes your MP3s. Which is why using cost-of-entry as a measure of exclusivity (and therefore worthiness) is silly no matter what genre we're discussing.

Again, I do think it's valid to make critical judgements about a genre in the broad strokes (provided you keep in mind that there are pretty much always exceptions out there somewhere,) but they ought to be based on the artistic qualities of the genre itself and/or the culture surrounding it, not how much it does or doesn't cost to get a rig going.
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Postby CorruptUser » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:35 pm UTC

Uh, no one here is saying that exclusivity is in itself a metric of "worthiness" of any particular genre. I'm only arguing that exclusivity affects Sturgeon's Law's threshold. The more exclusive and expensive, the less the percent of something is crap, but at the same time the less risks the major industries are willing to take so the less great and innovative stuff there is.

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Postby Soupspoon » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:41 pm UTC

I'm going to put this here, about Iceland's pending entry to the Eurovision Song Contest.

For many fun(ny) reasons, but especially because when I read…
Israeli campaign group Shurat HaDin has called on Israel's government to prevent the band from coming, under its law refusing entry to people with links to the BDS movement,
…I was left wondering why they don't have just as much force of law against Masochists as well.

(Because they'd enjoy it too much?)

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Postby Thesh » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:44 pm UTC

I've already decided that they should win.
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Postby CorruptUser » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:11 pm UTC

Wouldn't banning them end up in Israel being disqualified for making the contest political? Likewise if the band itself makes the contest political?

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Postby Zohar » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:28 pm UTC

I don't believe there's anything in the rules of the competition that says the songs can't be political, and this wouldn't mesh with my past experience of it. I look forward to this year's Eurovision because it's gonna be a clusterfuck or horrible racist bullshit enacted by Israel, I bet. It's bound to be entertaining.
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Postby Soupspoon » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:03 pm UTC

Edinburgh, the Dusseldorf of the North, just a short flight away.

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Postby Zamfir » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:12 am UTC

I like how the BBC includes two photos of the city to show the differences. Because of course the pilots mistook one for the other from high up. That's how this happenend

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Postby Coyne » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:18 am UTC

Something akin to this happened in northern Wyoming, USA, in the late sixties or early seventies. A good-sized plane, a 707 I think, landed at Buffalo instead of Sheridan, 39 miles away.They were using visual navigation, at night. The runways at Buffalo were too short for that plane but they managed to land safely. The passengers had to be bused to Sheridan.

There was no support for that plane at that airport, so they had to bring in an ASU to support the starting of the the plane, and a truck load of fuel. They then flew it out by starting it before the beginning of the runway on some kind of temporary extension that had to be built.

I think the pilots were cashiered.
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Postby Felstaff » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:42 pm UTC

Somewhat related (with a different root cause); there was a swathe of sat-nav related mishaps in the mid-2000s. One such I remember was a school bus on a trip to Hampton Court Palace (the one Henry VIII lived in) that ended up driving around London for 8 hours because the drivers put "Hampton Court" in their sat-nav instead of "Hampton Court".

Having worked near the former location for a year or so, I had a good chuckle every time I walked past it. FYI it doesn't look like much like a palace.
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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby Link » Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:50 pm UTC

That, at least, is somewhat understandable -- it's not like they accidentally drove from Belgium to Croatia.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby Angua » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:33 pm UTC

I remember the night me and 3/4 of the pool team were late to a match out of town because we googled the 'Red Lion' in x village and it directed us to the 'Red Lion' the next village over. Then had to walk through the dark 2 miles along country roads because the taxi fee was £20 just for a call out.

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Re: In other news... (humorous news items)

Postby Mutex » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:32 pm UTC

Link wrote:That, at least, is somewhat understandable -- it's not like they accidentally drove from Belgium to Croatia.

You'd think a Belgian person would know Belgium is a bit too small to be driving across it for two days.


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