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Lulzsec

Postby Ivor Zozz » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:08 am UTC

In the past couple of weeks, a new hacker group called "Lulzsec" (short for "Lulz Security") has been making a lot of headlines. So far their exploits include:

Breaking into PBS's site and posting a fake story about Tupac being alive
Breaking into multiple Sony sites and leaking tens of thousands of users' personal information, as well as developer code
Breaking into Infragard, an FBI affiliate, and leaking lots of usernames from there
Compromising a site for the British NHS (and letting NHS know about the security breach, rather than leaking passwords)
Leaking ~26,000 e-mail / password combos for porn sites, with this message:

These guys probably sign into Facebook with the same email/pass combo, so we suggest the following:
1) sign into their Facebook accounts
2) find their family members
3) tell them all about how the victim (you!) signed up to porn sites
4) watch the hilarity
5) tell us about it on twitter!
6) ???????
7) PROFIT

Facebook seems to have responded quickly by temporarily locking any accounts associated with the listed e-mail addresses.

Lulzsec currently has over 122,000 followers on Twitter due to this whirlwind of activity, and they release a lot of the compromised data on their website.There's some speculation that Lulzsec is affiliated with "Anonymous." Other than their beef with PBS, which was over a documentary that they thought portrayed Wikileaks and Julian Assange unfairly, Lulzsec doesn't seem to have any overarching political or ideological agenda. They just seem to be "doing it for the lulz," so to speak.

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Iulus Cofield » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:22 am UTC

I was linked to their site recently. If they do have any goal beyond lulz, it seems to be advocating stronger security measures. I suppose it's better that well-intentioned semi-vigilantes are breaking into things than groups legitimately out to steal stuff for personal gain. I suppose.

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Ivor Zozz » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:51 am UTC

Update: it seems they have just released "dox" (personal information) on staff of a security company called "Endgame Systems" and staff of "Prolexic", a company that helped protect the Church of Scientology from DDoS attacks.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby KnightExemplar » Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:23 am UTC

I've said it in the last topic and I'll probably have to say it again...

Website security today is pretty bad. Sony is not the first company to leak customer information, and it won't be the last.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Cynical Idealist » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:10 am UTC

Here's another article about the NHS incident, which has a screenshot of the warning they sent, with some information redacted.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby zmatt » Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:23 pm UTC

IMO groups like this are the first of a new breed of activists. It seems that nowadays the best way to get a message across is through hacktivism. If you look at how corporate most of the media is, they can pick and chose how to report on things and with the excuse of national security the government seems to be trying to tighten its grip on the citizens. The one place where individuals or small groups seem to still have thew upper hand is cyberspace where the government is woefully ignorant. Whether or not you agree with Lulzsec (they seem to be making a lot of enemies) I think we can rest better knowing that at least in one way we can still hold abusive corporations and governments responsible for their actions.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby johnny_7713 » Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:44 pm UTC

zmatt wrote:IMO groups like this are the first of a new breed of activists. It seems that nowadays the best way to get a message across is through hacktivism. If you look at how corporate most of the media is, they can pick and chose how to report on things and with the excuse of national security the government seems to be trying to tighten its grip on the citizens. The one place where individuals or small groups seem to still have thew upper hand is cyberspace where the government is woefully ignorant. Whether or not you agree with Lulzsec (they seem to be making a lot of enemies) I think we can rest better knowing that at least in one way we can still hold abusive corporations and governments responsible for their actions.


I disagree, there are plenty of activists that get their message out just fine, through both legal and illegal means that are not hacking. Greenpeace, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, anti-globalists every G20 summit, etc.
Also can we please stop pretending groups like Lulzsec are 'holding abusive corporations and governments responsible for their actions'. Stealing sensitive customer information or e-mail / password combos for porn sites, especially if you recommend plastering that information all over facebook, has absolutely nothing to do with holding anyone responsible for anything (other than holding people responsible for secretly visiting porn sites).

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Andrew7588 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:57 pm UTC

I've gotta say, I've got zero sympathy for Lulzsec. In fact right now, I am wishing them a considerable amount of bodily harm.

Last week I started playing Eve Online. Today I had a rotten day at work, so when I came home I wanted to log onto Eve and spend a couple of hours doing some mining while I watched a bit of TV on my other monitor.

Come home, find the server down. At first I just think that the daily downtime has been extended because they're rolling out a new expansion next week. But when I couldn't find even a vaugue timeline, I dug a bit deeper with google. Turns out that today Lulzsec attacked and took down The Escapist, Eve and Minecraft.

So I've had a crap day and because someone fancied some "lulz", I get a crap evening too.

I completely agree with johnny_7713. If Lulzsec do have some bigger thing, then they should figure out some way to do it without pissing everyone else off. But of everything that's annoyed me with Lulzsec is the homepage of their website, which reads:

"Hello, good day, and how are you? Splendid! We're LulzSec, a small team of lulzy individuals who feel the drabness of the cyber community is a burden on what matters: fun. Considering fun is now restricted to Friday, where we look forward to the weekend, weekend, we have now taken it upon ourselves to spread fun, fun, fun, throughout the entire calender year."

In that intro, they've used the word fun 5 times. Yet what have their attacks been doing? Taking down the PSN, Eve, minecraft, and the escapist. What do all 4 of those do? Provide an outlet for fun.

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Роберт » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:00 pm UTC

Andrew7588 wrote:"Hello, good day, and how are you? Splendid! We're LulzSec, a small team of lulzy individuals who feel the drabness of the cyber community is a burden on what matters: fun. Considering fun is now restricted to Friday, where we look forward to the weekend, weekend, we have now taken it upon ourselves to spread fun, fun, fun, throughout the entire calender year."

In that intro, they've used the word fun 5 times. Yet what have their attacks been doing? Taking down the PSN, Eve, minecraft, and the escapist. What do all 4 of those do? Provide an outlet for fun.

I take it you missed the reference to the Rebecca Black song "Friday"? The repeated fun bit is aping her.

Anyway, they hacked into the U.S. Senate's web site a bit. Nothing useful as far as I know.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby onbards » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:06 pm UTC

anonymous yeah right... probably a bunch of black hats trying to blame someone else

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Andrew7588 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:08 pm UTC

Роберт wrote:
Andrew7588 wrote:"Hello, good day, and how are you? Splendid! We're LulzSec, a small team of lulzy individuals who feel the drabness of the cyber community is a burden on what matters: fun. Considering fun is now restricted to Friday, where we look forward to the weekend, weekend, we have now taken it upon ourselves to spread fun, fun, fun, throughout the entire calender year."

In that intro, they've used the word fun 5 times. Yet what have their attacks been doing? Taking down the PSN, Eve, minecraft, and the escapist. What do all 4 of those do? Provide an outlet for fun.

I take it you missed the reference to the Rebecca Black song "Friday"? The repeated fun bit is aping her.

Anyway, they hacked into the U.S. Senate's web site a bit. Nothing useful as far as I know.


Having thankfully never heard more than 4 seconds of that song, I had no chance of getting that reference.

But seriously? Don't these people have anything better to do? Have they considered watching paint dry? It achieves the same thing in the long run but doesn't annoy everyone else.

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby jakovasaur » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:21 pm UTC

Andrew7588 wrote:But seriously? Don't these people have anything better to do? Have they considered watching paint dry? It achieves the same thing in the long run but doesn't annoy everyone else.

Annoying you is exactly what they are trying to achieve. They would probably think your posts are very funny, because "u mad". And really, in a way, it is kind of funny.

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby TheKrikkitWars » Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:21 pm UTC

Andrew7588 wrote:BAWWWWWWW!


Yeah, long story short; Nobody gives a fuck, we all have bad days sometimes.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Adacore » Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:24 pm UTC

TheKrikkitWars wrote:
Andrew7588 wrote:BAWWWWWWW!


Yeah, long story short; Nobody gives a fuck, we all have bad days sometimes.

True, but that doesn't mean we should sympathise with and endorse people who intentionally make other people's days worse for no good reason.

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby onbards » Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:43 pm UTC

TheKrikkitWars wrote:
Andrew7588 wrote:BAWWWWWWW!


I have nothing better to do other than complain about other's posts


oh shit the irony

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby KnightExemplar » Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:53 pm UTC

zmatt wrote:IMO groups like this are the first of a new breed of activists. It seems that nowadays the best way to get a message across is through hacktivism. If you look at how corporate most of the media is, they can pick and chose how to report on things and with the excuse of national security the government seems to be trying to tighten its grip on the citizens. The one place where individuals or small groups seem to still have thew upper hand is cyberspace where the government is woefully ignorant. Whether or not you agree with Lulzsec (they seem to be making a lot of enemies) I think we can rest better knowing that at least in one way we can still hold abusive corporations and governments responsible for their actions.


Those who think this way don't understand the meaning of peaceful protest.

No worries though. Non-peaceful protest only makes the peaceful protest more legitimate. Its unfortunate that everything lulzsec supports will backfire. Who the hell wants to support a cause that black-hat crackers support? True, you'll rally the base, but preaching to the choir is easy as hell.

The success of a protest is measured in the number of people you managed to convince over to your side. Lulzsec's methods are ineffective, they only piss the neutral party off and will drive off supporters.

The government does not have the power to stop lulzsec, and it probably never will. Nevertheless, it will never be an effective means of rallying the masses. Peaceful protest and non-destructive means are absolutely critical to convincing the voting masses that you're on the right side.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby onbards » Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:10 am UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:Those who think this way don't understand the meaning of peaceful protest.

No worries though. Non-peaceful protest only makes the peaceful protest more legitimate. Its unfortunate that everything lulzsec supports will backfire. Who the hell wants to support a cause that black-hat crackers support? True, you'll rally the base, but preaching to the choir is easy as hell.

The success of a protest is measured in the number of people you managed to convince over to your side. Lulzsec's methods are ineffective, they only piss the neutral party off and will drive off supporters.

The government does not have the power to stop lulzsec, and it probably never will. Nevertheless, it will never be an effective means of rallying the masses. Peaceful protest and non-destructive means are absolutely critical to convincing the voting masses that you're on the right side.


"Violence is the use of physical force to cause injury, damage or death"

Looks like a peaceful protest to me.

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby KnightExemplar » Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:18 am UTC

onbards wrote:
KnightExemplar wrote:Those who think this way don't understand the meaning of peaceful protest.

No worries though. Non-peaceful protest only makes the peaceful protest more legitimate. Its unfortunate that everything lulzsec supports will backfire. Who the hell wants to support a cause that black-hat crackers support? True, you'll rally the base, but preaching to the choir is easy as hell.

The success of a protest is measured in the number of people you managed to convince over to your side. Lulzsec's methods are ineffective, they only piss the neutral party off and will drive off supporters.

The government does not have the power to stop lulzsec, and it probably never will. Nevertheless, it will never be an effective means of rallying the masses. Peaceful protest and non-destructive means are absolutely critical to convincing the voting masses that you're on the right side.


"Violence is the use of physical force to cause injury, damage or death"

Looks like a peaceful protest to me.


Are you implying that lulzsec hasn't caused any damage? All you have to do is read one of the links in the first post. This one should be fun:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/11 ... eals.data/

Leaking user data is wtf dumb. Damaging the customer base of an organization is not the same as damaging the organization.

CEO Karim Hijazi. Hijazi claims that LulzSec not only stole his data, including access to his company emails and Gmail account, but the group also tried extort more data and money from him.


Come on. This is a group that is blackmailing CEOs. This is NOT a kind of group an activist group wants to be associated with. My point stands, this group is too "blackhat" to actually get their point across to the general public. Whether or not their views are correct, they're doing too much damage to gather any real support.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Marbas » Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:33 am UTC

TheKrikkitWars wrote:
Andrew7588 wrote:BAWWWWWWW!


Yeah, long story short; Nobody gives a fuck, we all have bad days sometimes.


I give a fuck! Stop being a dick.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby dedwrekka » Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:37 am UTC

jakovasaur wrote:
Andrew7588 wrote:But seriously? Don't these people have anything better to do? Have they considered watching paint dry? It achieves the same thing in the long run but doesn't annoy everyone else.

Annoying you is exactly what they are trying to achieve. They would probably think your posts are very funny, because "u mad". And really, in a way, it is kind of funny.

In a neckbeard, scriptkiddie socially underdeveloped kind of way, yeah. It's tons of lulz

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby onbards » Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:51 am UTC

dedwrekka wrote:
jakovasaur wrote:
Andrew7588 wrote:But seriously? Don't these people have anything better to do? Have they considered watching paint dry? It achieves the same thing in the long run but doesn't annoy everyone else.

Annoying you is exactly what they are trying to achieve. They would probably think your posts are very funny, because "u mad". And really, in a way, it is kind of funny.

In a neckbeard, scriptkiddie socially underdeveloped kind of way, yeah. It's tons of lulz


looks like you mad dog
i assure you these guys are no script kiddies

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Ortus » Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:37 am UTC

onbards wrote:
TheKrikkitWars wrote:
Andrew7588 wrote:BAWWWWWWW!


I have nothing better to do other than complain about other's posts


oh shit the irony



oh shit it's delicious. And also probably done in a facetious manner.

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looks like you mad dog
i assure you these guys are no script kiddies



I thought only mad dogs licked others' balls? In other news, I wanted to play EVE earlier and could not; now I know why. GG, lulzsec, gg: come back to me when you've done something worthwhile.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby ConMan » Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:00 am UTC

Andrew7588 wrote:Turns out that today Lulzsec attacked and took down The Escapist, Eve and Minecraft.

Interesting, and probably coincidental, that one of Extra Credit's recent videos on The Escapist was one where they took a break from discussing game design to discuss the suggestions that Anonymous was behind the PSN hack (back before Lulzsec had established their name), and saying that they didn't think it was Anonymous since it was counter to their original ideals and because lots of members of Anonymous would be PS3 players so this would just be pissing them off. Attacking particularly The Escapist and Minecraft almost seems like an attempt by Lulzsec to distance themselves from Anonymous by targeting things that Anonymous (or at least 4chan readers who probably make up a large part of Anonymous) are generally fans of.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Enokh » Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:31 pm UTC

I find it pretty hilarious that I've seen more complaining of LulzSec come out of them downing EVE, Minecraft, and The Escapist for PART of a day than I have for all of their non-gaming shenanigans combined.

And no, LulzSec isn't a "hacktivist" group. They're just blackhats in it for "the lulz" and probably think it's a riot that there are a good number of people out there trying to say LulzSec is standing on some moral high ground.

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby onbards » Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:38 pm UTC

Ortus wrote:
onbards wrote:
TheKrikkitWars wrote:
Andrew7588 wrote:BAWWWWWWW!


I have nothing better to do other than complain about other's posts


oh shit the irony



oh shit it's delicious. And also probably done in a facetious manner.

onbards wrote:
looks like you mad dog
i assure you these guys are no script kiddies



I thought only mad dogs licked others' balls? In other news, I wanted to play EVE earlier and could not; now I know why. GG, lulzsec, gg: come back to me when you've done something worthwhile.


they are still not script kiddies like some people are wishfully thinking
about it being worthwhile, well, hence the name "lulzsec"

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Ortus » Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:43 pm UTC

onbards wrote:
they are still not script kiddies like some people are wishfully thinking
about being worthwhile, well, hence the name "lulzsec"


Regardless of what they are or are not, and others perception of them, they have decided to give themselves a face. That indicates an importance, a significance, if only to themselves. Again, get back to me when they've done something worthwhile; DDoS is boring.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby KnightExemplar » Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:26 pm UTC

Ortus wrote:
onbards wrote:
they are still not script kiddies like some people are wishfully thinking
about being worthwhile, well, hence the name "lulzsec"


Regardless of what they are or are not, and others perception of them, they have decided to give themselves a face. That indicates an importance, a significance, if only to themselves. Again, get back to me when they've done something worthwhile; DDoS is boring.


Case in point.

The hacker who created the DeCSS system truly attacked the RIAA and MPAA's overly restrictive copyright laws technology. This tradition continues as other hackers root the iPhone, BluRay and other trusted media platforms. As people grew accustomed to truly free data, when iTunes came around with their DRM protection, the people revolted and Apple was forced to sell MP3s to keep the customer base.

On the other hand, I see no purpose however to bringing Minecraft down.

Script Kiddies or not, Lulzsec's current methods are completely ineffective at changing this world. Well, they'll march progress towards better network security, but not fast enough, and they'd do that faster if they were white-hats instead of black-hats.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby amberlamp » Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:04 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:Script Kiddies or not, Lulzsec's current methods are completely ineffective at changing this world. Well, they'll march progress towards better network security, but not fast enough, and they'd do that faster if they were white-hats instead of black-hats.


But are they really trying to change this world? This whole hacktivism thing is more linked to Anon, as far as I'm concerned Lulzsec is not Anon, neither they ever claimed to be (I think).

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby userxp » Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:49 pm UTC

TheKrikkitWars wrote:
Andrew7588 wrote:BAWWWWWWW!


Yeah, long story short; Nobody gives a fuck, we all have bad days sometimes.


See? That message is a perfect example of their way of thinking.

1. If (person not complaining) then (make person angry)
2. If (person complaining) then (mock person, "lol u mad", etc)
3. Goto 1.

There should be a word for that. I know schadenfreude, but I think that's not quite the same.

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Mittagessen » Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:24 pm UTC

userxp wrote:1. If (person not complaining) then (make person angry)
2. If (person complaining) then (mock person, "lol u mad", etc)
3. Goto 1.

There should be a word for that. I know schadenfreude, but I think that's not quite the same.


It has nothing to do with Schadenfreude and there isn't some other wicked German word English-speaking people can mispronounce in a funny way to express this activity ^^. The term you are looking for is 'trolling'.

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Tirian » Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:41 pm UTC

userxp wrote:There should be a word for that.


I recommend "asshattery".

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Ulc » Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:16 pm UTC

Tirian wrote:
userxp wrote:There should be a word for that.


I recommend "asshattery".


Douchebaggery is a another suitable description of that behaviour.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Ortus » Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:02 pm UTC

While not technically a word, I submit douchediggery. It just has that ring to it.
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Andrew7588 » Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:58 pm UTC

onbards wrote:i assure you these guys are no script kiddies


You're right, they're not script kiddies. Which if anything makes it more annoying. They actually have a legitimate skill and what are they using it for? Pissing off the world. I can tolerate morons with no skill or talent wasting their lives. Imagine the mordern world if any of the greats had decided to just annoy people. I know a lot of people hate microsoft and apple, but imagine if Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and their repective teams had just used their computer know how to annoy people. No windows, no OSX, no XKCD.

Also to all those who are posting "BAWWWWWWW!" posts about me. I know we all have bad days. But note what I went to do because I had a bad day. I went home to burn a bit of time on something I find fun without taking my bad mood out on others. What do Lulzsec do? They decide that if they've had a bad time, everyone else has to suffer.

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Garm » Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:15 pm UTC

They're not just pissing off the world. They're also providing a service to both companies and their clients. They're pointing out corporations that use lax security. You as a consumer should be wary of doing business with a company that's not that interested in protecting your information. Likewise, if you're a corporation that has a heavy web presence you'd be well served by beefing up your firewall and making sure SQL injections don't work (among other things).
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Chfan » Wed Jun 15, 2011 9:19 pm UTC

You know what? I'm okay with this, as long as they're not mass leaking personal info.

Oh, wait the porn sites. Hmm.
Just FYI, the guy isn't avatar isn't me. But he seems pretty cool.

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby DrSir » Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:01 pm UTC

And they take some of the same stuff down again. Isn't this fun >.<

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby Enokh » Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:07 pm UTC

Garm wrote:They're not just pissing off the world. They're also providing a service to both companies and their clients. They're pointing out corporations that use lax security. You as a consumer should be wary of doing business with a company that's not that interested in protecting your information. Likewise, if you're a corporation that has a heavy web presence you'd be well served by beefing up your firewall and making sure SQL injections don't work (among other things).


All burglars provide a service by showing people how lax their security is! I should go find the man who stole my car's stereo that day I left my car unlocked and shake his hand, thanking him for letting me know I need to double-check these things.

Neither LulzSec nor whoever stole my stereo were providing a service, because their actions weren't agreed upon. I really dig the "find the silver lining" mentality you apparently strongly adhere to.

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Re: Lulzsec

Postby savanik » Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:28 pm UTC

And in their latest hijinks, Lulzsec hacked the U.S. Senate and Bethesda. Then they decided to take calls on who their next target should be...

After getting 20 calls per minute, they decided it was Somebody Else's Problem for a good old fashioned POTS DDoS.

I wonder how long they can keep this up before the Senate decides hacking them is an act of war...
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Re: Lulzsec

Postby johnny_7713 » Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:29 pm UTC

Chfan wrote:You know what? I'm okay with this, as long as they're not mass leaking personal info.

Oh, wait the porn sites. Hmm.


You're ok with a small group of people annoying hundreds of thousands of people through illegal actions just because they can? Imagine the reaction if they used some kind of jamming device to block a tv-channel from being broadcast, but just because its 'only a website / computer game' it's supposed to be alright??


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