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Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby achan1058 » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:06 pm UTC

I am surprised that there isn't a thread about this one already:
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Mobs of angry fans roamed central Vancouver after the game.

Riot police in Vancouver used tear gas to quell violence that broke out after the Vancouver Canucks lost the final game of the Stanley Cup.

Cars were set on fire and shops were looted following the ice hockey team's 4-0 defeat to the Boston Bruins.

Mobs of angry fans roamed central Vancouver after the game, as thick acrid smoke rose over the city centre.

Similar riots broke out in the Canadian city after the Canucks lost the Stanley Cup in 1994.

Record crowds of supporters gathered in the heart of the city on Wednesday in the hope of seeing their team - the favourites - secure the Stanley Cup and be crowned winners of the National Hockey League (NHL).

But hope quickly turned to gloom after the Boston Bruins scored first and then went on to secure an emphatic victory.

As soon as the final buzzer sounded, a hail of beer bottles rained down on the giant outdoor television screens, the Associated Press reports.

People chanted obscenities, and witnesses said some people took out their anger on nearby cars, flipping two over and setting them alight.

Shops were also reported to have had their windows smashed and then looted.

Some fans were seen trying to hold back more unruly members of the crowd, without much success.

A line of 10 riot police tried to hold back a crowd of several thousand in one part of central Vancouver, Canada's Globe and Mail newspaper reported.

Police spokesperson Jana McGuinness said there were unconfirmed reports of at least four stabbings, as well as other injuries.

Officers were pelted with bottles and firecrackers; streets were filled with rubbish, broken glass and streams of alcohol.

After numerous arrests and a series of confrontations, police cleared the streets of downtown Vancouver about four hours after the riots broke out.

"It's so sad to see this happen again," Larissa VanDam told the Globe and Mail. "This is a real black eye on our city. We saw this happen in 1994 and I was so, so hoping it wouldn't happen again."

Vancouver mayor Gregor Robertson described the scenes as "embarrassing and shameful".

"The vast majority of people who were downtown were there to enjoy the game in a peaceful and respectful manner," he said.

"It is unfortunate that a small number of people intent on criminal activity have turned pockets of the downtown into areas involving destruction of property and confrontations with police."

The Canucks had the NHL's best regular-season record, but have never won the Stanley Cup since entering the league 40 years ago.
Somebody posted this elsewhere on the internet, and I find it sums up the situation quite nicely.

Reasons to have a riot around the world:
Greeks - Your government is broke and can't fix itself.
Egypt - Prime minister is terrible and people are being sent into forced disappearance WWII style.
Libya - Your leader is killing civilians.
Canada - We lost the Stanley cup.

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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Radical_Initiator » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:16 pm UTC

achan1058 wrote:Reasons to have a riot around the world: ...
Canada - We lost the Stanley cup.


Well, at least Canadian sports fans are rioting for the right sports-related reason; in the States, we're generally more apt to riot after winning a championship. Never understood that. Now, if you bought tickets for the Cup finals and lose, I can see being unhappy and maybe a little pissed. Still not a good reason for rioting, but at least it makes (slightly) more sense. But "Woo-hoo! <Local Sports Team> just won the <Sports Championship>! Let's go break stuff!" has to be the lamest excuse for violence in a long time.

Of course, on the world scale, this is a two-year-old throwing a tantrum after not getting to watch Dora. I say we make the city of Vancouver sit in time-out for next season.
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Dauric » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:27 pm UTC

The wild thing is that people are writing apologies for rioting on an impromptu "apology board". And it's not like one or two messages, the plywood covers are covered in apologetic messages.

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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Zamfir » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:34 pm UTC

Radical_Initiator wrote: But "Woo-hoo! <Local Sports Team> just won the <Sports Championship>! Let's go break stuff!" has to be the lamest excuse for violence in a long time.

Losing can make you feel passive, and winning very active. If you're in a crowd of fans watching a losing game, the usual atmosphere is downcast, let's go home early. While winning makes you feel a bit aggressive, an I can beat the world feeling. And you want stay up late and drink a lot.

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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Chuff » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:34 pm UTC

Radical_Initiator wrote:"Woo-hoo! <Local Sports Team> just won the <Sports Championship>! Let's go break stuff!" has to be the lamest excuse for violence in a long time.
Oh, Canadians do that too. Montreal did it a few years ago.
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Belial » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:42 pm UTC

I just like that we (hahah, suddenly I have city spirit for the rest of this sentence) defeated them so hard that their hometown caught fire.
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Hawknc » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:43 pm UTC

Win or lose, though, there's always some people who will make the best of a bad situation.

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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Radical_Initiator » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:51 pm UTC

Zamfir wrote:
Radical_Initiator wrote: But "Woo-hoo! <Local Sports Team> just won the <Sports Championship>! Let's go break stuff!" has to be the lamest excuse for violence in a long time.

Losing can make you feel passive, and winning very active. If you're in a crowd of fans watching a losing game, the usual atmosphere is downcast, let's go home early. While winning makes you feel a bit aggressive, an I can beat the world feeling. And you want stay up late and drink a lot.


Right. A very lame excuse for violence. Glad we agree.

Hawknc wrote:Win or lose, though, there's always some people who will make the best of a bad situation.


That, plus the Sorry Wall and former rioters helping to clean up pretty much makes Canadians cool again, in my book. Which, I'm assuming, comforts them, as I'm sure they were terribly afraid of losing status.
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby the_bandersnatch » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:02 pm UTC

Hawknc wrote:Win or lose, though, there's always some people who will make the best of a bad situation.

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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby SlyReaper » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:02 pm UTC

Hawknc wrote:Win or lose, though, there's always some people who will make the best of a bad situation.

[img]http://images.theage.com.au/2011/06/17/2434601/art-riot-420x0.jpg[img]

It was pointed out that they may not be snogging. They had just been trampled by riot police, and the guy was probably leaning over to see if she was alright. It only looks like a loving embrace because of the camera angle.

Or it could be exactly what it looks like. Who knows.
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Dauric » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:04 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:
Hawknc wrote:Win or lose, though, there's always some people who will make the best of a bad situation.

[img]http://images.theage.com.au/2011/06/17/2434601/art-riot-420x0.jpg[img]

It was pointed out that they may not be snogging. They had just been trampled by riot police, and the guy was probably leaning over to see if she was alright. It only looks like a loving embrace because of the camera angle.

Or it could be exactly what it looks like. Who knows.


He's clearly checking her airway for obstructions... with his tongue.
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Le1bn1z » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:07 pm UTC

Well, its finally official. After a year of suspicion from coast to coast, its safe to say the obvious truth to come out of this:

Vancouver fans are the biggest douchebags in Canadian sportsfandom.

Of interest, though, are the Good Samaratins who risked life and limb to protect stores, homes and passersby. There were quite a few, and the government is currently looking for them to give their thanks.
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Falling » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:24 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:
Hawknc wrote:Win or lose, though, there's always some people who will make the best of a bad situation.

[img]http://images.theage.com.au/2011/06/17/2434601/art-riot-420x0.jpg[img]

It was pointed out that they may not be snogging. They had just been trampled by riot police, and the guy was probably leaning over to see if she was alright. It only looks like a loving embrace because of the camera angle.

Or it could be exactly what it looks like. Who knows.


Looks pretty clear that they're "snogging". Check out how the guy's left leg is positioned. However the situation began, they're definitely halfway to sexytown at that point.

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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Le1bn1z » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:28 pm UTC

According to the Star and the Globe, the girl was hurt in the riots. Her boyfriend rushed to her side and was trying to calm her down and comfort her.

No word on how far that comforting went.

See the story at http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/arti ... photo?bn=1
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Hawknc » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:41 pm UTC

And he's an Aussie too! Top. Bloke.

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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby ShootTheChicken » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:54 pm UTC

Makes one rather ashamed and embarrassed, but the aftermath seems to have been handled well.

Still...
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Radical_Initiator » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:17 pm UTC

ShootTheChicken wrote:Makes one rather ashamed and embarrassed, but the aftermath seems to have been handled well.

Still...


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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Dauric » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:24 pm UTC

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Hawknc wrote:
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I love that picture, I can't help but think it'd make an excellent album cover.


"Love in a Riot"

The songs are themed around acts of humanity in the face of violent surroundings.

... damn, now I want to be in a band just to make sure this happens. (however I have no musical talent, so it's probably best for everyone if someone else does it.)
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Princess Marzipan » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:56 pm UTC

Dauric wrote:The wild thing is that people are writing apologies for rioting on an impromptu "apology board". And it's not like one or two messages, the plywood covers are covered in apologetic messages.

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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Jahoclave » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:16 pm UTC

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Dauric wrote:The wild thing is that people are writing apologies for rioting on an impromptu "apology board". And it's not like one or two messages, the plywood covers are covered in apologetic messages.

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That's just...it's so Canadian.

And journalist not doing their jobs, that's just...it's so American.

God, CNN has to be the laziest news network in existence. What, you didn't have one employee or connection in Vancouver that you could have leveraged to do the story?

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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Iulus Cofield » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:28 pm UTC

I've never understood the motivation for rioting after a sports match, whether your team won or lost. I guess it would make more sense if there had been very obvious cheating, or widely-perceived-to-be-cheating not-cheating during the game.

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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby poxic » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:48 pm UTC

There was a combination of factors. There were groups who arrived ahead of time, already armed with bats, balaclavas, lighter fluid, and so forth, who planned to use the crowds downtown as a shield for things they wanted to do anyway. They were overheard talking about the stores they were going to hit first (mostly the electronics places).

Then there were the visitors from the suburbs, mostly young and male, who can act like flashpots for mob behaviour. They aren't on their home territory so they don't feel ownership of (or care about) anything they damage; they're surrounded by their buddies egging them on; and they are presented with what feels like a moment outside of reality, where normal rules don't seem to apply any more, far away from parents and teachers.

And then there's simply the fact that there were something like 600 police officers looking after well over 100,000 people. And people, they sometimes go nuts when someone else goes nuts first. There should probably have been ten times as many cops around, but the province wouldn't contribute anything. They figured it was all up to Vancouver's force by itself and wouldn't offer any RCMP folks as backup. (At least, I think that's the way it happened. There were some blurbs in the new about this the day before.)

And, for what it's worth, here's an interesting comment I found via The Toronto Star's online news site:
Aaron Leaf (@aaronleaf) on Twitter wrote:Riots are never just about hockey. Vancouver is a massively unequal place simmering with violence and frustration especially among youth.
He's right about the sharp divide between rich and poor. Vancouver is a great place to live if you can afford it. A long reign of conservative provincial government has cut down services for the poor to below acceptable levels (imo), though. Since this is a port town, there is also a strong organised crime presence, and a lot of smaller gangs that want to emulate them. It's an ... interesting bunch of contrasts.

My brother took a few pictures of the apologies written on the boarded-up windows and doors. Here's one.
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//re-edit to add: on Thursday morning, I had to literally push people out of my way to get through the crowd writing on, reading, and taking pictures of these very boards, in order to bloody get to bloody work. It was both heartwarming and aggravating. >.<
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Postby johnny_7713 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:28 pm UTC

Something that struck me was the team's open condemnation of the rioting, something I haven't ever seen a European football club do after football-related violence (which happens both if teams win or lose).

Also this type of behaviour is rather old, I remember reading once that gladiatorial combats were banned for a while in Pompei due to them leading to riots. It'd be interesting to know whether the factors leading to that behaviour were the same.

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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Triangle_Man » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:04 pm UTC

Yeah...

This was something that I saw coming a mile away, and yet it's still rather shocking as to what happened.

Some people attempted to stop or mitigate the rioting with various degrees of success, groups have popped up attempting to idenitify as many of the rooters as possible using pictures and facebook posts (presumably because they want them to be arrested or charged), and people have gone downtown to help with the cleanup effort.

So I guess some good is coming out of all of this.

My Dad basically recognizes some of the rooters as being part of a group of 'anarchists' who protest everything and are constantly on the lookout for excuses to cause trouble. He hopes that the police will be able to track them down and charge them with something and quite frankly I agree with him.

This isn't something that should've happened.
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Nath » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:19 pm UTC

Belial wrote:I just like that we (hahah, suddenly I have city spirit for the rest of this sentence) defeated them so hard that their hometown caught fire.

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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby SummerGlauFan » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:33 pm UTC

johnny_7713 wrote:Something that struck me was the team's open condemnation of the rioting, something I haven't ever seen a European football club do after football-related violence (which happens both if teams win or lose).

Also this type of behaviour is rather old, I remember reading once that gladiatorial combats were banned for a while in Pompei due to them leading to riots. It'd be interesting to know whether the factors leading to that behaviour were the same.


In this case, the riots were started by other groups who just used the game as a convenient smokescreen.
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Postby Iulus Cofield » Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:59 pm UTC

poxic wrote:a lot of very informative things


Thanks for this. These are the kinds of things I'd never be able to realize as a non-local to the area and make the protests a lot more sensical.

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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Triangle_Man » Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:40 am UTC

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poxic wrote:a lot of very informative things


Thanks for this. These are the kinds of things I'd never be able to realize as a non-local to the area and make the protests a lot more sensical.

Sensical as describing an outright riot seems like a bit of an oxymoron, but you're right in that it helps explain how the situation got out of hand so quickly.
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:04 pm UTC

Sounds like OSU rioting and trying to burn down the off-campus housing area after beating the Wolverines. That doesn't happen anymore, though. Mainly because there is no excitement in that game due to the unequal nature of the teams involved
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby poxic » Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:22 pm UTC

FYI, a local weekly had an interesting article on the psychology of riots. A psychiatrist makes the case that it's more or less normal for mob behaviour to take over in some situations.

An excerpt:
The article wrote:She has observed that during riots and other forms of mass behaviour, crowds become overwhelmed by emotion and act impulsively. Individual members of the group no longer appear to have any critical-thinking skills, as demonstrated by [one rioter]’s decision to try to light a car on fire in full view of cameras.

Zoffmann postulates that the brain’s command centre—the prefrontal cortex in the frontal lobe—which plans, thinks, and inhibits impulses, may cease to function effectively when a large group of people are subjected to a multilevel sensory bombardment. This leaves the limbic system—which is a more primitive part of the brain—in charge. She noted that this area is very tied into touch, sight, sound, taste, and smell, and links these sensory inputs to emotional centres. The limbic system also provides access to the capacity for violent or, in other circumstances, heroic behaviour.

“Once you’ve had your frontal lobe taken out of the equation, you’re kind of driven by your impulses and emotions,” she said. “So the limbic system is quite capable of coordinating a lot of action—some of it not very smart.”
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby ShootTheChicken » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:05 am UTC

http://riot2011frontlines.tumblr.com/po ... -letter-to

A riot cop tells people to essentially stfu.

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Dear 2011 Vancouver Stanley Cup Rioters,

Please stop saying you’re sorry. Stop posting YouTube videos begging for forgiveness. Stop writing letters asking that society cut you some slack and leave you alone.

While you were drunk and flipping cars, I was driving with all of my emergency equipment on to get into Vancouver. While you were throwing anything you could get your hands on at the police, I was pressure testing my APR and standing in the middle of the tear gas. While you and thousands of others disgraced Vancouver and its surrounding population, I stood shoulder to shoulder with a couple hundred men and women, whom I trust my life with, ready to address your indiscretions.
You came up to me like you owned the streets in your drunken stupor, thrust your middle fingers in my face and shouted obscenities; I didn’t snap you in half.

Actions speak louder than words.

You started “harmless” fires. You torched other men and women’s cars whom you’d never met and never did you wrong. You assaulted firemen as they arrived to try and deal with your “mistakes”. You took limited, valuable emergency resources away from good people who needed them. You endangered more lives by tying up emergency services than you ever considered.

You started fights. You stabbed people you’d never met because they somehow made you angry. You gave men and women trying to protect property life altering concussions. You brought paramedics into the tear gas and exhausted them trying to save people they’d never met.
You showed up to hospital emergency rooms crying because you’d been exposed to tear gas. You got obnoxious and demanded to be treated like you were somehow dying. You knew it was a riot, you chose not to leave, you chose to stick around and breathe the tear gas in. You took nurses and doctors away from people who needed their care to live. People they’d never met but work tirelessly to save. You demanded to be treated as if you were better than the rest of society.

You’d tell me that the emergency services personnel I speak of are paid to do this job and chose to be there. You’re right. We give a damn about people we’ve never met and property that isn’t ours, that’s why we do what we do. You disgust us.

What brought a tear to my eye, after the gas had cleared, was standing in the middle of an intersection at about 3am the only people I’d seen for the last 30 minutes were other police officers, until a shop keeper brought us a case of water. Then I saw a random person with a broom clearing the sidewalk. I had a duty to respond, the citizens of Vancouver immediately afterward could have just left it up to those paid to deal with it. They didn’t just stand by, they came out in force and cleaned up after your indiscretions. Everyone I saw that early morning thanked me, I was only doing my job. I have the utmost respect for all of the people from Vancouver and the surrounding areas that came downtown and volunteered to clean up after you.

You owe Vancouver and the surrounding population more than mere words. Don’t you dare ask for our forgiveness without taking responsibility. You can’t fix life altering injuries with an “I’m Sorry”. You can’t repay someone’s car loan with a YouTube video. You ask that people leave you and your family alone but you offer no way to replace priceless losses.

You’ll sleep soundly in your bed tonight because men and women like me will always be there to deal with your poor choices. You have no idea how fortunate you are, even after we arrest and charge you. Even though you disgust me, if you call for me in the middle of the night I’ll respond. I’ll protect your life and property because it’s right and it’s what I do.

The evening of June 15, 2011 fellow emergency services personnel, my brothers and sisters, left our families at home and while grossly out numbered stood to fight. The morning of June 16, 2011 the true heroes emerged to volunteer their time and restored my faith in humanity.
Actions speak louder than words. What are you going to do about that?
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Re: Vancouver riots after Canucks loss.

Postby Nath » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:01 am UTC

I doubt there's much overlap between the rioters and the apologizers, so I'm not sure who the riot cop is trying to address.


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