Overpopulation Rhetoric is Alarmist and Counterproductive

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Re: Overpopulation Rhetoric is Alarmist and Counterproductiv

Postby addams » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:36 pm UTC

morriswalters wrote:Man, I tell you, you just can't beat entropy. My favorite science fiction author had a acronym for this. Tanstaafl.(I know he didn't invent it)


Nah. I don't buy it. I know a little about weather. Those windmills look tall to you and to me, but, to the climate they are small.

If, anything, the windmills should break up the hot air that causes tornadoes. It could. Think about it. How could a windmill cause the air to become warmer?

Oh. I reread the article. It is night time temperature. Yeah. That could happen. What is the elevation? Man! Out in the desert, when the sun sets it gets cold and it gets cold fast. A one degree rise in night time temperature may be a blessing.

I am thinking. What did I forget about convection? How could turbulence of the wind at 50 ft cause the ground to get hotter? I am thinking. I don't have any books. Those things need quite the little push to move at all. Right?

It seems to me that the turbulence would cause the ground temp to go down, not up. Did I not read it right?

What is it that is typed here? The cause and effect may not be connected at all. Something else may be causing the ground temperature to go up. Like umm, the entire planet is a bit warmer.

1 degree C is significant over time. How long has the rise been consistent? I have read articles that have a 3-5 C increase of Ocean water temperature over a ten year time table. Hot water is more problematic than hot ground.

O.K. it is all true! AHHH! We are doomed! The planet is flat, hot and crowded. Fine!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

I have been struggling with this stuff for years. Yes. It makes perfect sense. No. We can not predict what our actions will cause, in the long run. It is our intentions that form our internal and interpersonal lives.
It seems to me the best we can do is our best.

It is the age old story. Be good stewards. Take responsibility for our actions. Take care of one another. Treat all things as if they belonged to a treasured friend.

There may be some explaining to do. Are we doing our best? Are we acting in ways that we would be able to explain? I think that wind turbines would not be that hard to explain.

Bombs? See? That is different. Bombs change the temperature a lot. Yes. Bombs are fun. They can be used for pure entertainment. Like, fireworks. Still, those things have an effect on weather. All the sulfur; That is a weather changer.
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Re: Overpopulation Rhetoric is Alarmist and Counterproductiv

Postby morriswalters » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:03 pm UTC

addams, you provide me with the most amusement I get around here these days, is your posting technique blank verse? In any case it just goes to show that you always pay a price.
As a disclaimer anything I say is my opinion and should not to be confused with fact.
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Re: Overpopulation Rhetoric is Alarmist and Counterproductiv

Postby addams » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:43 pm UTC

morriswalters wrote:addams, you provide me with the most amusement I get around here these days, is your posting technique blank verse? In any case it just goes to show that you always pay a price.

Morriswalters?
You find my posts amusing? I am pleased. Thank you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muse

Yet; I don't understand. Blank verse?
I write the way I talk. Do you talk differently from the way you write?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_verse
Interesting. All written language is poetry. Right?

Spoiler:
All human beings are Artists.
All human beings are Scientists.
Not all humans are good Artists.
Not all humans are good Scientists.


What did you mean by "You always pay a price."?
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Re: Overpopulation Rhetoric is Alarmist and Counterproductiv

Postby morriswalters » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:41 pm UTC

Almost certainly I talk differently than the way I write. I'm nowhere as stiff in the real world as I am here. I hope that wasn't offensive but I have to work really hard to pull what you are trying to say. When I say price I simply mean that everything affects something. Not quite Chaos Theory, but close. The energy we get from windmills is solar energy stored in the atmosphere. Created by heating and cooling. Take Megawatts out of the wind and it has to have an effect.
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Re: Overpopulation Rhetoric is Alarmist and Counterproductiv

Postby addams » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:00 pm UTC

morriswalters wrote:Almost certainly I talk differently than the way I write. I'm nowhere as stiff in the real world as I am here. I hope that wasn't offensive but I have to work really hard to pull what you are trying to say. When I say price I simply mean that everything affects something. Not quite Chaos Theory, but close. The energy we get from windmills is solar energy stored in the atmosphere. Created by heating and cooling. Take Megawatts out of the wind and it has to have an effect.


Yes it does. We know that energy can not be created nor destroyed. It only changes form.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservati ... modynamics

We don't always know what the form will be. That can send us into and existential funk or keep us fascinated by what will happen next; Or, both.

O.K. Let's type about entropy.
Spoiler:
I was meditating and I scared my self. Have you ever done that?
I was dancing among the stars one moment and I was walking through one of those ant things that hang in the trees the next. Oh, Dear God. Those things are so creepy. Not to the ant, but, to me. I am human. Yuck.
I opened my eyes and saw the computer.

I am not the only person that ever took that journey. Ants. I have been hurt by ants. I am afraid of them. The smell like formic acid. I know that smell.

Entropy. The study of things falling apart. What is falling apart? Me?


Entropy. The study of things falling apart. What is falling apart? The Universe. Is the Universe falling apart? The expanding Universe. Some day it will all end.
Barnett was such a poetic guy. I liked his, "Theory of Everything".
It was predicated on the Truth of Entropy.
Every system falls apart if energy is not but into the system.
The Universe is a big system.
There may be other Universes. Ours may crash into one or more of them. (Shrug.)
Does it matter? The Butterflies Wing in Chaos Theory says, "Yes and No."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

If, we all pull together can we stop the Universe from falling apart? Why would anyone want to stop the Universe from falling apart? ?"Yes and No?"?
I don't know.

What did I just learn?
Spoiler:
When I an frightened it is nice to have the internet.
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Re: Overpopulation Rhetoric is Alarmist and Counterproductiv

Postby nitePhyyre » Thu May 03, 2012 6:56 pm UTC

addams wrote:Yet; I don't understand. Blank verse?
I write the way I talk. Do you talk differently from the way you write?
Wait, you actually talk with horribly incorrect comma splices? That, would be, super annoying in, real life.
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Re: Overpopulation Rhetoric is Alarmist and Counterproductiv

Postby Panonadin » Thu May 03, 2012 7:29 pm UTC

nitePhyyre wrote:
Wait, you actually talk with horribly incorrect comma splices? That, would be, super annoying in, real life.[/quote]

Wait, you actually call people annoying based on how they talk? That would be, super assholish in, real life.
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