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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Роберт » Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:50 pm UTC

Tyndmyr wrote:
Thesh wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/04/houston-police-chief-video-tape-beating_n_3386603.html

Police officers actually being prosecuted for an assault, of course he is being charged with "Official oppression" not assault.


It'd be nice if they'd at least pretend that laws apply to us and them equally.

"Official oppression" is a charge that can be used in addition to other charges e.g. assault.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... 615250.php

In this case, they didn't bring the charges of assault, but it's not that it never happens. In this case, the arrest was legit, but handled badly and they police officers lost their jobs because of it.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:58 am UTC

It does seem strange to me. There is a video recording of a group of men ruthlessly beating and kicking a thin, young, nearly naked man and they are charged with a wrist slap. That is a more serous crime than they were charged with.

I propose this is a systemic problem. The problem is the training.

I talk to strangers. I was walking through a beautiful meadow two days ago. In this meadow I met a woman. We talked. It was a nice day. We talked for hours. She told me a story. It was not the first thing she said to me. We were fairly comfortable with one another, first. Then she said, "Last year was a year of firsts for me.'

She was arrested for the first time. No. I do not have a newspaper article to link to.

The story she told me did not make her look like a Saint. It did tell a story that is becoming too, too common.
She was at her home. She shared a home with her mother and daughter. All three adult women.

Their home life was less than happy. The contentment and joy had drained away, slowly. This kind of thing happens in many families. She said she had started drinking. The issues of the day were petty. Her mother had threatened to call the police. The woman said she welcomed the call. She thought the Police would help her. Protect and Serve?

She said the way they handled the situation made the situation worse.
She was at home. Yes. She had been drinking. From what she said, you would want a drink, too.

The Police were gruff. They insulted her. They were not helpful.

She was at her home. They were not there long when one Police became very nice and asked her to do him a favor and step over here. She is a nice woman. He asked; She conformed. She stepped on to a public sidewalk.

When she did, he said, "Now, I have you on Drunk in Public."
He said the words and he and his buddy jumped her.

They knocked her down. They cuffed her.
She got a bloody nose. Her pants were pulled down, somehow.

It has been nearly a year. The poor woman was brought nearly to tears telling me about it.
Her pants were down. She was cuffed. She was out on the street in front of Everyone!

The Police did not help her with her pants. They laughed at her.
She could not pull her pants up. She was cuffed!

She told me she had injured her shoulders; Both rotator cuffs.
They kept her cuffed for six hours.
She tried over and over to explain, the position of her arms while cuffed was painful.

She said they checked the scuffs six times in six hours.
Each time they checked the cuffs it hurt, a lot.
The Police steadfastly refused to change the position of her arms nor loosen the cuffs.

She talked about how she was treated.
She talked about what they had charged her with.

The charges were all about the Police.
Drunk in Public. Resisting arrest. A Whole laundry list of crimes.

She said it was all fiction. She was not resisting arrest. She had been at home drinking.
She became homeless after she was released. There is a warrant for her from that City.

She wants to have nothing to do with a system that treats people the way she was treated.
It seems she has joined the ranks of the criminal class. She is knowingly avoiding an arrest warrant.
She has zero trust and zero faith in our system of Law. I can't blame her.

Even under good conditions I have heard Police people I like say things about The People that embarrassed me.
I don't embarrass that easy. I am an old war horse nurse. I have been around Police and Military people.
They are, just, people. Their training makes them better or worse than the regular run of the mill people.

The idea of Two Men dressed and armed to the teeth laughing at a woman with her pant down around her knees on a public street creeps me out. How fucking creepy. The Police are trained to be creeps in Uniforms? That is creepy.

I keep hearing the same thing over and over, again.
Many people would rather deal with the criminals than with the Police.
The people tell me the Police make things worse, not better.

What do you think?
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby CorruptUser » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:58 pm UTC

So, umm, Addams, you said earlier that you had been in a police raid or that they had entered your house without a warrant. What's the story there? Feel free to not answer if it isn't a comfortable subject.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:54 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:So, umm, Addams, you said earlier that you had been in a police raid or that they had entered your house without a warrant. What's the story there? Feel free to not answer if it isn't a comfortable subject.

Police Raid? Not really.
I had attended Peace Rallies that had a great many Police hanging around.
No Raid. None that I knew of.

The Police in My House? God! Yes!
It seemed every time I turned around there were Police people inside my home.
Sometimes they knocked; Sometimes they didn't.

Can I prove they were in my house when I was not home? Nope.
I can't prove they were in my house when I was home.

Why? Why was I targeted? To this day I can only make guesses.
I know that I am really easy to arrest. I do not put up any fight at all.

I know what some of the Agents? (Individual human beings) told me.
I know what I saw. It was very strange. Outside of what I expected from my nation.

What do you want to know? I don't mind typing about most of it.
There are times when we may stumble into territory that I am not at ease with.

Names and threats? Fuck. Why not?
As long as I can type, I see no reason not to type about it into a strange little forum inside a huge internet.

What do you want to know? Inside my home? Yes!
Without warrants? Yes. Arrested? Yes.
And: Other weird stuff as well!

Prove it? jeeze....I can't prove much.
I am not sure I can prove I ever owned anything.
My ability to prove what my name is depends on the other person's willingness to accept my ID and my ability to keep my ID.

I have learned a great deal about the transitory nature of Reality.
The most powerful person defines Reality. I hate some Facts!
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby CorruptUser » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:31 am UTC

What were you charged with? What were the police looking for? What do you think makes you an easy target?

If the police are wasting dozens if not hundreds of man-hours while still getting paid through taxes, well, if they want to catch a group of people stealing from the public at large they could check the mirror.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:54 am UTC

CorruptUser wrote:What were you charged with? What were the police looking for? What do you think makes you an easy target?

If the police are wasting dozens if not hundreds of man-hours while still getting paid through taxes, well, if they want to catch a group of people stealing from the public at large they could check the mirror.

I am not sure. I was not usually charged.
oh, crap. One time I was charged with Trespassing.
So, stupid. Was I? Kind of. It could be proven I was a place where I was not supposed to be.

Anyone can get talked into stupid stuff.
It did not seem that stupid at the time.

I had a friend that was kind of helpless sometimes.
Imagine Black Hat Guy; Now imagine him Helpless.

What would you do? See? It was Black Hat Guy!
Of course, it turned out badly for me!

Other than that I was not charged.
Well; I got tickets. Here a ticket; There a ticket.

Arrested. Yes. Then, again. Not charged. Catch and Release.
So, Stupid. It is not fun. It can be for people that get arrested in Large Groups.
That is not the way it is done, now. Divide and conquer? ok. I Lose.

Threats? Do Threats count? I have been threatened. Both Uniformed and not in uniform people threatened me.
It is surprising how powerful threats can be.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby PolakoVoador » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:29 am UTC

You may have heard of the protests that are happening in Brazil's main cities. Tonight, I took part of the protests, and our police showed a severe lack of preparation. Close to 15 thousand people were at the streets, and even acting peacefully (sitting down in front of the police, chanting pacifists slogans), we were tear-gassed and rubber-shot like crazy. But don't take my word from it, you can see it here.

EDIT: more misbehavior! The police seems to be arresting people at random, since vandalism happened and the police should have arrested someone. The problem is, they did that picking people randomly, sometimes after the protests were over.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:24 am UTC

PolakoVoador wrote:You may have heard of the protests that are happening in Brazil's main cities. Tonight, I took part of the protests, and our police showed a severe lack of preparation. Close to 15 thousand people were at the streets, and even acting peacefully (sitting down in front of the police, chanting pacifists slogans), we were tear-gassed and rubber-shot like crazy. But don't take my word from it, you can see it here.

EDIT: more misbehavior! The police seems to be arresting people at random, since vandalism happened and the police should have arrested someone. The problem is, they did that picking people randomly, sometimes after the protests were over.

Oh me yarm. What are you protesting?
Why are you doing something that dangerous?

I hate those Stupid explosions. Don't you?
Good Grief. Rubber Bullets are Bullets!
Those things can Hurt you.
Those things can Kill a human being.

Do not go play in the Street if The Police act like that.
The Police are better armed than you are. Right?
If you have weapons I don't want to Know!

You can go Armed with Charm! That is All!
What have 'they' got? Conventional Warfare, Chemical Warfare, Psychological Warfare, Biological Warfare.
You? You have Charm? Where?

They have All the stuff and you have Nothing?
Why are you Protesting? Is it important? What?

You need some Weapons. Charm. And....Feather Boas and Bubbles!
Signs? What for? It was Night and the Police are not being Paid to Read your stupid signs.

I am sorry you need to protest. I was had to at one time, also.
It was a bad situation. It is not much better, now. Worse for some of us.

I am sorry you need to protest. Protests are Tricky.
It is so easy for Bad Guys to pretend to be Good Guys and make so much trouble.

When Protesting there must be Rules for Both Sides. It is Like Going to Church.
Well! It is! The Behavior you would feel good about in Church is good protesting behavior.

Who is throwing Rocks? The fifteen year old boy/men? Those guys have been trouble sense the Trojan Wars.
So easily manipulated into doing Stupid stuff. Is it a Season your people have?

Detroit had a Riot season for a while. It started with Halloween Night. It was a mess for a while.
Small Riots would break out from Time to Time in the summer. Halloween Night was called Devil's Night.

Children and Adults were out moving through neighborhoods. The fifteen to eighteen year olds were not The Problem.
They sure know a good time when they see it. Detroit burned every Halloween for a few years.

It was a night when people's inhibitions were lowered. People that did not know it was Halloween lost their homes and businesses.
It took great effort from a lot of people to stop Devil's Night. It did stop. I hope it stopped.

I am not a fan of Anarchy. Fifteen year old boys are attracted to Anarchy the way a Moth is attracted to Flame.

Why are You clashing with the Police? What did you do? What do you want to have happen that is not happening.

I do not know one thing about Brazil.

ok I know two things.
1. Brazil is in The Americas.
2. Brazil has beef. Black Angus, beef.
More beef than anyone anywhere throughout all time. Brazil has more beef than Texas. Did someone do something to The Beef?

15 thousand people?
At night because people have other things to do during the day?
At night because it is too hot to protest during the day?

I do understand that reason for being out at night.
Protesting is harder than it looks and can be so boring.

Yes. Protesting is a Thankless activity.
Why are you doing it? Are you doing it Right?

Will you be going back out?
What do you have on your list?

Feather boas? Bubbles? Water? Sidewalk Chalk?
Sandwiches? Fruit? Wet Wipes?

Take Grandma. The old girl might enjoy it.
She might think you are all nuts. So behave your selves.

Take something for the Police.
What do they want? To use their tools?
That is not good. What person has tools and toys they do not want to use?

Those guys get paid to use those tools.
Using the tools is better than the pay.
The pay for them is better than the pay for you. It's not Fair!

They get all the Job Satisfaction and they get Paid. it's not Fair!
Oh. See? I can get myself all worked up about that kind of thing.

Protests are a part of my personal and national history.
Protests can be Nice. It is best to not really care about The Issue.

Make friends with The Police. It is such good advice. I can't do it.
Maybe they will like you. They take one look at me and don't like me.

Then I talk and they are Sure they don't like me.
They don't listen to me. They are listening to their Coach.
They are a Team and They have a Boss. That Guy they listen to.

Who is it in your town? That is a well protected human being.
Do you know who gives those orders? Someone knows.

What is The Issue? Is it a Fairness problem.
I hear humans have a strong sense of Justice.
When we are Not treated fairly we get all upset.

I do. A protest of One is even More boring than a protest of 15 thousand people.
What would make 15 thousand people leave their homes to go out to have fun and protest?

People do like a 'get together'.

Now; What fraction of that population would think or feel so strongly that they would leave their homes and go out some place dangerous that is not very much fun to protest? Why? I will ask the internet.

The Random arrests are a bad sign.
I read a policy paper that outlined that sort of thing.
It is a very bad thing. People disappearing is so very demoralizing to everyone.

I am sorry you need to protest.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/ ... 1H20130621

That is Wonderful in a strange way.
Public Transportation is for The Public!
They are Right!

If you get free transportation, please, do not forget what a Treasure it is.
Some people complain no matter what they have.

Some people treat Public things terribly.
That is often the argument for making The People pay.

The very least you can do is get Free Fairs.
After that what will you Get?

It is not funny. I know it is not funny.
But; If you squint and look at it, just, right;

Well; It looks like God spoke to the hearts of The People.
Free Fair was a small Fringe Element.
God sent them a lot of Protesters.

That is Funny. The People have spoken?
Is it The Voice of God? I doubt it.

God can take the credit. Free Faire! Free Faire!
I like it! Will it drive up Taxes? Maybe, No.

It will improve the quality of Life for the Poor, Children and Others.
You are doing a Good Thing.

Don't break windows and take very good care of the Busses and Trains.
Of course, there will always be problems. Free Fairs will Help those that need help.

To reduce the Taxes for Multimillionaires is easier to do and costs the Nation more.

Inflation? I am sorry. Inflation is not something the head of state can fix all by her own self.
Inflation is a Huge problem. You know smart people. Has someone been messing with your economy?

Hospitals? Do you need better Oversight? Are your people turned away from Hospitals?
I know how awful it can be.
One person is getting Expensive and Well delivered care for a strange and difficult to manage disorder or disease;
Across a membrane;
Just over there;
On the Outside of glass doors is a person that is dying of a common and easily treated disease.
It occurred to me one night as I was delivering care. "I can not afford the care I am delivering."

There are many things to protest.
Free Fairs are a reasonable Request.
It seems you have God's blessing to Free up The Fairs.

It will be good for All of you.
How wonderful it will be.
No worrying about having enough money to get home at night.

Your busses are crowded Now!
Wait until the fairs are free!
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Роберт » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:00 pm UTC

PolakoVoador wrote:You may have heard of the protests that are happening in Brazil's main cities. Tonight, I took part of the protests, and our police showed a severe lack of preparation. Close to 15 thousand people were at the streets, and even acting peacefully (sitting down in front of the police, chanting pacifists slogans), we were tear-gassed and rubber-shot like crazy. But don't take my word from it, you can see it here.

EDIT: more misbehavior! The police seems to be arresting people at random, since vandalism happened and the police should have arrested someone. The problem is, they did that picking people randomly, sometimes after the protests were over.

Interesting indeed. Can you figure out what caused them to respond to the protestors that way? I didn't pick out anything in particular.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:42 pm UTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQpu9UoXCeM

In my Best of All Possible Worlds That Clip Represents Police Misbehavior.

Yes. We can all be a little embarrassed.
"You two can't tackle worth Beans."

You are Both going to need a class.
The Dog may Never 'get it.'

Tackling is Harder than it Looks.
Those two need a class.

Black Hoodie? Criminal or Police Exercise?
Who Knows? YouTube is not Real either.

That is Not The Worse Dog. Not by a Long Shot.
My Dogs got all excited and Knocked me down.
Then they proceeded to worry about me.

Then I had Dog Snot in My Ears.
Never mind.

It could have been worse for the Police.
His dog could have Knocked him down and blown Dog Snot in his ears.

Then someone put it on YouTube. (poor everybody. you tube is waiting to Record Every Mistake.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G63FEamhpA0

Well? Is that Real?
I am so afraid it is.

we are like what to Them?
The Lady in The Dress? Who got her? tee heee.

I swear, I have seen giggles where I did not share in The Joke. You?
She is so lucky. For so many reasons.

It was a small rubber bullet.
It went through a poster before it hit her.
It hit her where her skull bone is dense.

Why is there no Photo of The bruise?
Why is she Always wearing the same Outfit?

She was Leading a Group of Scary People?
The Police did not Look Frightened.

Well; During The Debriefing They were The Winning Team.

During The Debriefing The Winners talk about What Works!
The Losers Talk about Taking Up another Sport.

She was or is an Attorney? What other Sport can she play?
The took a Vow to Understand and Question The Law?

None of that makes any Sense.
Onion?
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Alexius » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:07 pm UTC

A University of Virginia student was arrested at gunpoint after state Alcoholic Beverage Control officers mistook the pack of bottled water she had just bought for alcohol (she is below legal drinking age). A group of six plain-clothes agents surrounded her car and started knocking on the windows- when she started the engine in order to roll down a window and talk, they started trying to force their way into the car, one jumped on the hood and another pulled a gun. She panicked and drove off, clipping one of the agents with her car on the way out.

She later stopped for a car showing flashing lights (not sure if it contained the same agents or different ones), and was arrested and charged with three felony counts. Though the charges were dropped, this is still a worrying incident.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Princess Marzipan » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:08 am UTC

There are some things that just don't merit violent enforcement, and those things include underage drinking laws. For fuck's sake...
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Sheikh al-Majaneen » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:07 am UTC

Princess Marzipan wrote:There are some things that just don't merit violent enforcement, and those things include underage drinking laws. For fuck's sake...

At least they skipped the swat team and the bearcats this time.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Iulus Cofield » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:24 am UTC

Plain clothes officers and unmarked police cars occupy the same place in my mind as no knock warrants.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Diadem » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:59 am UTC

Nothing wrong with plain clothed officers, they just shouldn't be involved in enforcement of minor stuff. And if they do get involved, they should approach people in a very non-threatening manor, and very clearly identify themselves first (barring life or death situations, of course). Generally the goal of a plain clothed officer should mainly be surveillance, and they should call in uniformed police if action needs to be taken.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Thesh » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:16 am UTC

Well, yes, in this case it was water, but what if it had been beer? Or explosives disguised as beer? Then you would be asking why the police weren't going in with submachineguns and flashbang grenades.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Chen » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:54 am UTC

Diadem wrote: And if they do get involved, they should approach people in a very non-threatening manor, and very clearly identify themselves first (barring life or death situations, of course).


This is the odd part about the posted links. Neither side is mentioning anything about them identifying themselves except the part about "unidentifiable badges". You'd think the victims in this case would be mentioning "and they didn't identify themselves at all" whereas the police would be saying "the officers certainly did identify themselves". But neither side seems to be mentioning identification at all which I find strange. Of course from what I can see this incident happened in April so it seems they're only using the written statements about what occurred that evening which may be why no one is talking about that.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Alexius » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:26 pm UTC

Iulus Cofield wrote:Plain clothes officers and unmarked police cars occupy the same place in my mind as no knock warrants.

Unmarked cars are fine, and are actually a good idea for traffic enforcement. People drive differently around a police car, so I think it's good to have some unmarked patrol cars to catch people who drive badly normally but make a point of being careful when they see a marked police car. It's especially entertaining when their bad driving takes the form of cutting up or deliberately blocking said unmarked car.

The thing is, certainly in this country unmarked police cars have concealed blue lights and sirens, so there is no risk that they'll be mistaken for non-police when stopping someone. The big problem with plain-clothes officers when used to actually make arrests is that often they don't make it clear that they're police. If plain-clothes police were able to do a Clark-Kent-style instant change into full police uniform before arresting someone, it would be fine- and that's basically what an unmarked car is.

This whole thing reminds me of the idiot off-duty officer in Maryland who arrested a motorcyclist (who, to be fair, had been driving like an idiot) by jumping out of his personal car with a gun drawn before identifying himself.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Belial » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:40 pm UTC

What's funny (in a really sad way) is the prosecutor saying it wouldn't be right to press charges because no one got hurt. So if, in fleeing from what seemed like seven people attacking her car she had actually injured one of the cops, this wouldn't still be their fault?

Also worth noting: I suspect if she'd been anything other than a (presumably wealthy, UVA is not cheap) female college student, this would not be going so well for her.

Also also, that supermarket is across the street from one of my old houses. It is a big parking lot. They could've easily just stopped her on the way to her car and identified themselves. There's just no reason they needed to do that "jump on the hood of the car like a mob" thing.

Basically, "thinking you're in some kind of testosterone-fueled action movie" should be a fireable offense for cops.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:49 pm UTC

It seems like it's treated like a hireable offense.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:05 am UTC

Belial wrote:What's funny (in a really sad way) is the prosecutor saying it wouldn't be right to press charges because no one got hurt. So if, in fleeing from what seemed like seven people attacking her car she had actually injured one of the cops, this wouldn't still be their fault?


Thank goodness that's the standard we use everywhere else. Why, just the other day, me and six of my buds whipped out guns and assaulted a cop car in a bit of a mixup, but since we didn't actually shoot them or anything, they were quite understanding of the whole affair. Perfectly normal.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:41 am UTC

You people are Making Jokes! Hey!
I Live Here! Help! Help!

oh. It is a Comic Forum.
never mind. I forgot.

This is supposed to be Funny.
Oh, And; It is!

It would be funnier, to me, from a distance.
I will look for my sense of Humor.

ok. I found it.
Way Back before the Big 2000 swich over.
My purse had been stolen.

It Was funny. The Hapless Theifs called me and wanted Money for My Purse.
funny that. I told them, "No."

They attempted to talk me into it.
I finely agreed to a Small Sum.

I called the Police and told them where I was going and what I was doing and Why.
They had a Plan Clothes guy there. He was An Asshole! Nothing Like liking your Job.

They had four Police Cars! I am serous!
This was before the 2000 Switch Over.

That Plan Clothes Guy was Not On My Side the Next Time I Saw Him.
No. He never hit me. That is a big man.

Yes. He frightened me.
The way he treated those men was Wrong.

The Police told me they were Protecting me.
(shrug.)
The guys that took my purse were Hapless.
That was sad and funny. One of them Looked at me and said,
"You Told?!" Really? He was surprised? How could that be surprising?

Two High School Girls could have arrested those two.
I felt so bad for them.

The way they were treated by the Plan Clothes guy was a part of their Punishment.
Remember; This was before the Switch Over. Things are Worse, now.

The Poor were not as Poor, then. The poor were not as desperate.
The middle and lower socioeconomic groups were not Circling The Wagons, as much.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Coyne » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:54 am UTC

Thesh wrote:Well, yes, in this case it was water, but what if it had been beer? Or explosives disguised as beer? Then you would be asking why the police weren't going in with submachineguns and flashbang grenades.


Absolutely; especially since you can buy explosives disguised as beer further disguised as water at any road-side store.

A bunch of idiot cops attempting a false arrest for buying "beer" which wasn't even beer; not bothering with proper identification since anyone who waves anything remotely like a badge is someone whose boots you must immediately kiss; too stupid to know that electric windows don't roll down without turning the key.

My guess is that they weren't even after the college kids, they were after the store's liquor license. An entrapment scheme set up for the store would explain why the police were in unmarked cars.

But obviously the store knew they were there, because guess what: The very first underage persons out the door with something that looked like a beer can were actually carrying sparkling water. Anyone care to take the other end of a bet that the store was pulling a clever reverse entrapment?

I'd compare these guys to the Keystone Kops; except I would probably be insulting the Keystone Kops.
In all fairness...

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby omgryebread » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:05 pm UTC

Since we're on North Carolina and alcohol, here's a video of a cop arresting someone for drinking ice tea.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Diadem » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:46 pm UTC

omgryebread wrote:Since we're on North Carolina and alcohol, here's a video of a cop arresting someone for drinking ice tea.

At no point in the video does the guy ever identify himself as an officer. Wouldn't the bystanders in this video be perfectly in their right to hit the guy in the head, and restrain him until the police arrive, in defense of a fellow citizen who's by unlawfully assaulted?

With everything on video like that, that's a case I'd love to see go to court.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Iulus Cofield » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:09 am UTC

He says he's police at 55 seconds in. But yeah, generally you can perform a citizen's arrest in the US if you personally witness someone committing a felony in your presence. That allows restraint, although not necessarily bonking them in the head. It would be interesting to see the aftermath of someone trying to arrest a police officer.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:29 am UTC

Yuck.
No one is Right.
Everybody in That Clip is Wrong.

Entertainment?
Welcome to The Digital World.

What did You see?
Pretty Good. Everyone is a Director! yey.

What part of That was Staged?
The Most Generous way for me to Look at that
(I got bored and turned away before The End.)

Well; Do You Have Trashy People?
What Color are They?

Who Was The White Guy?
That man is Friend of (X)?
Or; That man is Stupid?

Did He Have Back Up?

What do You think You saw?
What would his Mother Think?
Have you interviewed her, yet?

I Vote; Fake. Will we ever Know?

We Have Real Problems and We Have Fake Problems.
The One Thing that No One Denies it that We Have Problems.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Princess Marzipan » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:39 am UTC

Ugh.

Video tape shows cop elbowing teen in the face with no provocation. He goes to trial for assault, and the judge declares him not guilty *without even looking at the tape*, because video evidence should be used to protect police, not to go after them. ...
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby TheGrammarBolshevik » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:31 am UTC

Or maybe because, hey, you also have to follow the rules when admitting evidence against someone you don't like, too.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Belial » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:38 am UTC

TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:Or maybe because, hey, you also have to follow the rules when admitting evidence against someone you don't like, too.


What rule of evidence are you proposing the video broke?
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:43 am UTC

Princess Marzipan wrote:Ugh.

Video tape shows cop elbowing teen in the face with no provocation. He goes to trial for assault, and the judge declares him not guilty *without even looking at the tape*, because video evidence should be used to protect police, not to go after them. ...

That clip looks Real

Human beings. (how do I type exasperation?)
Humans. People.

Some of us Like our Jobs.
What are The Benefits of Your Job?

Mine? I may be on a very black list.
I don't have a Job. But, I Have! In the past

I can Remember the Benefits.
No. Not the Blue Cross/Blue Shield stuff.

The Other Stuff; Like, The Man in The Clip.
Can you almost hear the Debriefing?

"Some One Should Have Straightened Out That __________ a Long Time Ago. (fill in the blank)

A sense of Satisfaction. A sense that What you Do makes a difference.
Besides it is Fun, Fun, Fun.

Me? ech. I don't act the way the man in the clip did.
It is not the way we were trained.

Besides; He is doing the most difficult and dangerous part.
Remember all the Stuff the Ausie said?

The Ausie said some good Stuff.
Chief David Morrison Does know some Police stuff.
I am not Sure of it, it is a fair guess if not a good guess.

Can he Help us? Yes. and No.
If we wanted to know what the Glow of Respect reflected back in the eyes of a man like Chief Morrison was like,
We could Study Up and attempt to find out.

It would make a Great Hobby!
For Uniformed People!

It is Great because:
By the time a person was Ready to Check the eyes of Chief Morison;
A person might feel pretty good about themselves and not need to bother Chief Morrison.

See? It makes Sense! I know it does.
It is Like Jesus! (I sometimes say that word with a Gospel accent. it makes it funnier, to me.)

Who is Boss? Jesus.
Who do you want to Please? Jesus.
Who is Right and never Wrong? Jesus.
What do You Do? Jesus?

That was a Question?
You can't answer a Question with a Question!
You are in Uniform!

What Would Jesus Do? Jesus.
No! Kid! No!

Never mind.
Don't tell Chief Morrison.

The kid was guessing.
The Men and Women in The Australian Army don't have to Guess!

The British told me something one time.
It was Five Days!
Five Days and they kept saying the same thing Over and Over.

They would say it one way and a Child could understand it.
They would say it in a different way and Only Adults should hear it.

What were that saying? Leadership Matters.

Maybe they are Correct. The English Know Stuff.
They speak English like it comes natural to them. .

Not All! Some.
Jesus!

Edit: I forgot the Indignation.
Not Guilty means that man is Pure as the driven snow.

He goes back to Work. He gets back pay.
He may get a Raise. He is Innocent, On Paper.

oh, dear; Better than Before,
He is innocent on the Internet.
He is innocent on paper.
He is a Hero to Assholes.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Diadem » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:09 am UTC

Princess Marzipan wrote:Ugh.

Video tape shows cop elbowing teen in the face with no provocation. He goes to trial for assault, and the judge declares him not guilty *without even looking at the tape*, because video evidence should be used to protect police, not to go after them. ...

That site seems to br mostly rants about freedom and nonsense about how power companies are supressing a device for free unlimited energy.

Not the most reliable source.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Thesh » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:10 am UTC

The source is linked, and it's just a regular old local news station.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Princess Marzipan » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:52 pm UTC

TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:Or maybe because, hey, you also have to follow the rules when admitting evidence against someone you don't like, too.
As Belial asked...what rules, here? The video is from the inside of the police paddy-wagon.

The article wrote:Roorda says the judge did right—he told News 4, police videos like these should be used to protect police.
Now, it’s become a “gotcha-head hunter” tool that we’ve seen internal affairs go over-board with.
This fellow is on tape saying those words. Yes, trying to punish police for committing assault is bad it's "gotcha head-hunting."
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Thesh » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:01 pm UTC

To be fair, he was a union rep and it is his duty to defend police, even if it means that saying unnecessary violence is always necessary when the perpetrator is a cop. That said, there is absolutely no excuse for the judge refusing to show the video as evidence.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby TheGrammarBolshevik » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:34 pm UTC

In order to present evidence at a trial, you have to authenticate it - show that it really is what it's supposed to be. As I understand it, for video evidence this generally means getting someone who witnessed the events in the video to testify that it's a fair and accurate representation of those events. In this case, however, everyone who was there either refused to testify (since both the cop and the guy he hit pleaded the Fifth) or testified that the video didn't portray events how he remembered them. Without authentication, the video isn't evidence and can't be viewed by the judge. I mean, it could be, but the verdict would never survive an appeal if the judge didn't play by the rules.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Alexius » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:15 pm UTC

Following truly spectacular misconduct by local police, a family in Nevada take the Third.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:57 am UTC

Alexius wrote:Following truly spectacular misconduct by local police, a family in Nevada take the Third.

I don't understand it.
Third Amendment?

We Never need the Third.
I had such a difficult time understanding what it was a protection from.

Is it funny?
What good does a Law do a person when the people with the Guns don't know or like The Law?

Why? Is it Real? I will read it, again.
Why? Two homes for What? nah.

This News is Two Years Old.
Aged News? Yes. It is a good idea, sometimes.

Indignation and Outrage over an event that has washed into History is What?
History. Some people Love History. It can't hurt you. It's all over, now.

oh. oh.
Some people say if you Don't study History you will repeat it.
Some people say if you DO study that stuff you will repeat it.

Some People. (sigh.)
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:18 am UTC

Alexius wrote:Following truly spectacular misconduct by local police, a family in Nevada take the Third.

I don't understand it.
Third Amendment?

We Never need the Third.
I had such a difficult time understanding what it was a protection from.

Is it funny?
What good does a Law do a person when the people with the Guns don't know or like The Law?

Why? Is it Real? I will read it, again.
Why? Two homes for What? nah.

I may Never know.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby elasto » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:33 am UTC

TheGrammarBolshevik wrote:In order to present evidence at a trial, you have to authenticate it - show that it really is what it's supposed to be. As I understand it, for video evidence this generally means getting someone who witnessed the events in the video to testify that it's a fair and accurate representation of those events. In this case, however, everyone who was there either refused to testify (since both the cop and the guy he hit pleaded the Fifth) or testified that the video didn't portray events how he remembered them. Without authentication, the video isn't evidence and can't be viewed by the judge. I mean, it could be, but the verdict would never survive an appeal if the judge didn't play by the rules.

That can't be how the law works, surely?

So if there's CCTV evidence showing someone breaking into a shop, unless someone actually on the ground directly witnesses the person breaking in, the CCTV footage is inadmissible?

I mean, yeah, sure, the law does need to have some protections against videos being faked or otherwise not telling the whole story. But surely that should be a line of defence open to the defendant - with his lawyer proposing who might have a motive for doing such a frame-up, or why the video doesn't tell the whole story (eg. yes, I did break into the shop, but only because I saw a fire was starting so I went to put it out)

I would hope there's no possibility of police videos being interfered with; I would hope the chain of custody is impenetrable. If that's the case the video should be viewed, and the defendant can explain why his actions were justified - why the video doesn't tell the whole story - and maybe get the benefit of the doubt. That would be the best route to justice.


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