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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:44 pm UTC

Well in that case, thanks.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby CorruptUser » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:10 pm UTC

Can't change the past?

Well, not with THAT attitude you won't.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:42 pm UTC

CorruptUser wrote:A guy has a girlfriend that has called the cops on him several times including one time where he "threatened her" with a gun that wasn't there, but then refuses to press charges. What does that usually say about the situation? It's possible that SHE is the abusive fuckhead, but it could be they both are. You have to wonder why neither of them broke up.


My guess is they're both terrible people, and hang out in terrible circles. That explains stuff like his stalker shooting at him and what not. That and the notoriety. *shrug* It happens. Calling Zimmerman a thug seems fair. Even if innocent of the murder, he does not appear to be a particularly nice/clever/etc person, per his behavior.

I mean, it's probably a good thing that he's not a cop. I don't think he'd be good at it. But I'm more worried that there are people like that who ARE cops.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby sam_i_am » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:42 pm UTC

This open letter from the president of a Kentucky police union appears to be threatening the general populace

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:48 pm UTC

sam_i_am wrote:This open letter from the president of a Kentucky police union appears to be threatening the general populace


The "if you refuse to comply" is a little...ehhh. Yeah, it's probably within the bounds of the law and what not, but it seems like too much tough guy posturing for my taste. I guess a good reason never to visit that pothole in kentucky, but if we're being honest...we probably weren't gonna visit anyway.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Izawwlgood » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:51 pm UTC

Soon, we may have to ask for you to rise with us against the small, but very vocal group of people in our city who resist everything we all strive to attain — freedom, safety and the ability to live our lives happily and without fear.


Are you fucking kidding me... The self-victimization of the majority continues to astound me.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Lazar » Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:00 pm UTC

I distinctly remember a similar open letter being written by a police chief last year.

Edit: Yes, this was it. He was raging against a newspaper cartoon that didn't show sufficient deference.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:03 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:
Soon, we may have to ask for you to rise with us against the small, but very vocal group of people in our city who resist everything we all strive to attain — freedom, safety and the ability to live our lives happily and without fear.


Are you fucking kidding me... The self-victimization of the majority continues to astound me.

I think it's very hopeful. Clearly he's asking for help rising up against the bad cops.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby sam_i_am » Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:18 pm UTC

Lazar wrote:I distinctly remember a similar open letter being written by a police chief last year.

Edit: Yes, this was it. He was raging against a newspaper cartoon that didn't show sufficient deference.


That letter wasn't as threatening. The worst it did was promise to show the letter to as many people as possible.

this letter, however, suggests that the police will abuse their power in an attempt to prosecute you if you say something that they don't like

To the sensationalists, liars and race-baiters —we are done with you. At first it was good enough just to sit back and watch your ridiculous spectacle. No more. Now your rhetoric, lies and hate puts all of us, police officers and citizens alike, in danger. From now on we will call you out each and every time you tell a lie, twist the truth or otherwise engage in vile behavior meant to push your selfish agendas. If your behavior or untruths causes harm to us or the public, we will make every attempt to have you investigated, charged and prosecuted at the local, state or federal level. Your idiocy and lies are what caused the destruction in Ferguson and other cities around our country and we won’t be tolerating that here. We watched in shock most recently as some of you flat out lied to the media after a critical incident here in Louisville. Many in the media are self serving too, and we watched as they stood on the sidelines and fanned the flames for financial gain.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:22 pm UTC

Lazar wrote:I distinctly remember a similar open letter being written by a police chief last year.

Edit: Yes, this was it. He was raging against a newspaper cartoon that didn't show sufficient deference.

Oh, good grief!
That can't possibly be real.

I call Onion.
That is so 'Over-the-Top'...
The Onion is the only thing I can compare it to.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Tyndmyr » Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:54 pm UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:
Izawwlgood wrote:
Soon, we may have to ask for you to rise with us against the small, but very vocal group of people in our city who resist everything we all strive to attain — freedom, safety and the ability to live our lives happily and without fear.


Are you fucking kidding me... The self-victimization of the majority continues to astound me.

I think it's very hopeful. Clearly he's asking for help rising up against the bad cops.


Lol. I think he's asking for sane people to move out of the area.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:25 pm UTC

Thank goodness no-one else had made that point...

EDIT: Or, you know, delete your post. That works, too.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby morriswalters » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:01 pm UTC

Welcome to my world. I'll give you some context. This appears to be a preemptive response to the shooting of a black male by a white officer. The shooting was probably justified, and to give credit where it due the department released about 40 minutes of footage from various cameras. None the less, not a good thing. The Chief is, charitably I believe, describing this as not helpful, and generally speaking the FOP looks like they have been smoking crack on this. Local civil rights activist are going to take it to Justice. The ACLU has chimed in a well. Considering that the local civil rights community were in some disarray about how to respond given the available video, it has made the FOP look like the idiots they sometimes are. Here's a link.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:37 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:You have to remember that leady is one of those people who seems to think that racism doesn't exist unless a person is an active KKK member. Saying, "That n*gger deserved to die," is by his account probably not racist because the person never said he deserved to die because of his race.

(Or maybe "thug" instead, which is essentially the closet racist's version of "n*gger".)

I used the word 'Thug' in my internal conversion.
I instantly thought of this 'Thread'.

What had I done!? Who did I call, 'Thug'?
I was anthromiphorizing a Cluster of HummingBirds.

Yes. I'm a boring person. Bird watching.
I called Those Two, 'Thugs'; Two flashy males.
Those two are constantly fighting and fussing with each other.

I can't tell witch one is the aggressor.
(They move too fucking fast.)
My guess is they are both at fault.

The way 'Thug' is processed in my head is not Racial.

It is a word that means, "Other".
Not like Me.

Why don't those humming birds share, 'nicely'?
Because the are 'Thugs".

When I don't share nicely, it is because the other guy is a jerk.
We know that;..Because, of course, I'm not a 'Thug'. <sarcasm?>

Do we all have 'Thug' potential?

Is the word 'Thug' Out or In?
It's part of my internal dialog.

I'll have to censor it.
I don't mind.

I'll use AssHole.
It's the same damn thing.


Spoiler:
I called two HummingBirds 'Thugs'.

When I watched Beta Males and Females,
It looked like they were Playing.

"Come On! Jimmy!"
"I'll race you to the Mailbox!"


Those are 'nice' birds; Not 'Thug' birds.
See? That's anthomophising, again.

I can edit the word "Thug" from my vocabulary....
Or; Censor it. I don't mind.

I've had to Censor "Boy" from my vocabulary.
When I was a child, I jumped up and down and said, "Oh, Boy! Oh, Boy! Oh, Boy!"

When I became an adult, I kept my feet on the ground,
Smiled and sometimes did a little dance saying, "Oh, Boy..Oh, Boy..Oh, Boy.."

It was a spontaneous expression that accompanied Good News.

It had been learned.
No one is born knowing, "Oh, Boy! Oh, Boy! Oh, Boy!"

I had learned it somewhere. My brother and sister are the most likely candidates for transmitting that meme.
I learned it verbally. They had learned it the same way; maybe. Where had they learned it? When?

I gave the thing some thought.

It is instinctive to Cheer.
What word to Cheer is learned.

I was informed Quite Forcefully that the word "Boy" is offensive.
And should not be used as an outburst of any kind.
In his presence or outside his presence.

That experience opened a moment of understanding of the burden clumsy raceists must bear.
I was taken aback. I was embarrassed.

I knew calling a Man, "Boy." was Wrong.
I didn't know, "Boy! Oh, Boy" was Wrong.

Yes. I could defend my use of the word chasing it down to the word Bouy.

And a Nautical Buoy is still a Joy!
I'm not justified in using it unless near water.

That black man may have been a narrow minded racist. Poor him.
I'm not and it made me think. Thinking is fun. It's not for everyone.

I know more about me and my people, because he made me think.

Yes. I've censored the word, "Boy" in my use of English.
I use it as a descriptor as it was entended to be used.

I use the word Buoy the same way.

The N-word was not a part of my internal voice.
It has never been a word I think, without thinking.

'Boy'' ('Bouy') was.
'Thug' is.

Is 'Thug" a multiracial attack on the character of an individual or not?
Who is going to settle this?

What can I call those aggressive little jerks?
I need a word I can transfer to humans;
if I ever see them act like that.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby ivnja » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:18 pm UTC

addams wrote:I used the word 'Thug' in my internal conversion.
I instantly thought of this 'Thread'.

What had I done!? Who did I call, 'Thug'?
I was anthromiphorizing a Cluster of HummingBirds.

Yes. I'm a boring person. Bird watching.
I called Those Two, 'Thugs'; Two flashy males.
Those two are constantly fighting and fussing with each other.

...

What can I call those aggressive little jerks?
I need a word I can transfer to humans;
if I ever see them act like that.
Punks? Then there are just ageist and maybe classist implications.

Maybe "aggressive little jerks" is best on its own. It's descriptive.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:08 pm UTC

ok.
I'll try.

You and I and many xkcd posters have the advantages of our educations.
During our educations we had words given to us, taken from us and definitions changed and shared.

We had to be able to use words one way in one building and in a different way in a different building.

An academic environment requires us to be intellectually flexible.
That flexibly allows us to use the tools of our disciplines.

The academic environments must be rigid enough to provide structure we can count on.
Most Sciences are structured in ways we Can count on.

Criminal Justice and Politics in the US are filled with attorneys.
Attorneys are made out of History Majors.
History is a sludge of Opinion and Fairy Tale.

Like many other Americans, I know we, the people, are being abused.
Like many other Americans, I am making guesses about Why this is so.

If cleaning up my diction would set things Right.
I take classes to do that. I'd stay up late studying.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Angua » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:30 pm UTC

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Tyndmyr » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:48 pm UTC

Follow-on stuff to Baltimore riot/protest information. Turns out this has actually become a prohibitionist issue. Like, in the old school alcohol banning sense. Because, yknow, paternalism and such. This isn't really JUST a police issue, though bar closings are certainly police enforced.

It didn't start recently, this is more of an escalation due to the events...we've had zones where liquor stores are not allowed to open. Generally, anywhere that's vaguely residential. Liquor is subject to a lot of terrible restrictions in MD, but this is special even so. Certainly, in my nice-ish neighborhood, nobody objects to a liquor store being conveniently close enough for me to walk to it.

Long story short, the mayor doesn't want liquor stores damaged in the events to rebuild. There's...23 affected ones, I do believe. So, denial of reconstruction loans, etc are a political football at the moment. They're grandfathered in, so while it's not legal to build new ones there, it was legal for existing ones to continue to operate, but apparently this is the moment to seize to try to choke alcohol out of the area.

Hasn't gotten NEARLY the coverage as the rioting, but local stuff is covering it: http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-83777292/

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:22 pm UTC

It's so easy from the outside to think, "Sell something else."
Is it time for a book store and coffee shop? With yummies!

Hey! Books and marijuana!
It's a natural combination.

I'm pretty sure those two things sell well.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:26 pm UTC

addams wrote:Hey! Books and marijuana!
It's a natural combination.

I'm pretty sure those two things sell well.

"Dude.... I am so totally into this book..." *looks at cover* "50 Shades Of Grey?"

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Zamfir » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:43 pm UTC

Non-American news for a change! Last weekend, a guy died after/during an arrest in The Hague, under suspicious circumstances that should be familiar to readers of this thread. English source I could find:
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/caribbean-man-dies-after/1948506.html

Dutch prosecutors have launched an inquiry into the death of a man from the Caribbean island of Aruba after he was arrested by police at a music festival in The Hague.

The man was pinned to the ground by four white male Dutch officers, videos posted on social media showed, prompting comparisons with incidents in the United States that have led to protests over police use of force against black suspects.

Prosecutors said in a statement on Sunday the 42-year-old "became unwell on the way to jail" and was taken to hospital in a "critical condition".

In two videos later posted online he appeared to be unconscious before being loaded into a police van. One officer is seen checking for a pulse.

Prosecutors said he was arrested on Saturday evening because he shouted that he had a gun and then resisted arrest.

In 2012, a policeman in The Hague killed a fleeing, unarmed teenager (with Caribbean parents), and was acquitted. There's been a spate of stories about racist violence from the police, especially in The Hague. As in the US, phone videos do seem to bring the issue to wider audience.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby addams » Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:27 pm UTC

Good Grief!
Have your guys been training with the Americans, again?

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Grop » Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:24 pm UTC

Well it is both good to remind us that it can happen here, and depressing.I mean it doesn't feel real as long as it's only in the US, and we could even pretend that the people there are doing it wrong.

Wow Dutch people suck at policing.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Diadem » Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:27 pm UTC

The only video's I can find are partially blurred, and start after he's already on the ground. So it's hard to judge what exactly happened. Let's hope some better footage turns up.

From what I can see the officers involved seem calm and collected. So that's good. However one of them is holding the man down in head-choke, and that's obviously dangerous. It's impossible to tell from the video alone, but it seems likely that that is what caused the fatal injury, in which case I can definitely see a strong case against that particular officer.

Zamfir wrote:In 2012, a policeman in The Hague killed a fleeing, unarmed teenager (with Caribbean parents), and was acquitted. There's been a spate of stories about racist violence from the police, especially in The Hague. As in the US, phone videos do seem to bring the issue to wider audience.

I followed that case, and it seems to me it was handled quite well. The fact that there was a trial in the first place is a good thing. And the acquittal I think was justified. While the guy was unarmed, the officer had good reason to think he was armed ánd dangerous. And he was fleeing arrest after repeated warnings. Stopping a fleeing suspect who you have good reason to think poses a danger to others is explicitly one of the justified reasons for using a firearm. The major mistake the officer made was shooting while running, instead of standing still and taking aim first. That's a mistake, but I don't think that alone makes a murder conviction justified.

It's still possible that racism played a part in that case. I'm not denying that. Perhaps the situation wouldn't have escalated like that if the suspect had been white. But the case is a poor poster boy for the cause of fighting police racism.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Coyne » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:37 am UTC

No fine for Port Orange officer who police say ran over, killed man

Port Orange Police Officer Silvio Portillo ran over a motorcycle rider while driving over the speed limit, while looking at his laptop. He was charged with careless driving. If he was found guilty of that, he could further be charged with vehicular homicide. But the careless driving charge was dismissed by the court.

Florida Highway Patrol Trooper Robert Asbill, who interviewed him after the accident, failed to show up at the court hearing. Officer Portillo also did not show up; and since he was not required to file an affidavit after the accident (not required to sign the ticket like an ordinary citizen, I suspect) the judge ruled that the state failed to prove he was driving. Even though another report prepared by another FHP Trooper, Kurt Glaenzer, identified Portillo as the driver.

Charge for a $166 ticket for careless driving: dismissed.

Show of hands: How many people here think an ordinary citizen could get their case thrown out by not filing an affidavit and failing to show up at their court hearing? How many people here think an ordinary citizen wouldn't wind up in jail for failure to appear at a court hearing? How many people think an investigating officer would fail to show up at the hearing of an ordinary citizen who killed someone while driving carelessly--with homicide charges in the offing? Right.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:33 pm UTC

http://www.wbez.org/news/city-fires-inv ... ngs-112423

Investigators actually have long-term effects on police misbehavior. So people should be more aware of these kinds of issues. I would expect a police watchdog group to have bias against police, as that is more or less what is required in their job. Discouraging that viewpoint will have a chilling effect and hamper Chicago's IPRA from properly investigating officer complaints.

IPRA is already filled with former-cops, so its hard to imagine how they can have a balanced viewpoint. (Indeed: Davis is a former commander with 23-years of Police experience). There aren't too many non-cops IIRC in the agency, so people should really call into question the purpose of that agency...
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Izawwlgood » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:52 pm UTC

Sandra Bland arrest dash cam video was 'corrupted' during upload. :roll:

The more I hear about this case the more stunned I am.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Chen » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:16 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:Sandra Bland arrest dash cam video was 'corrupted' during upload. :roll:

The more I hear about this case the more stunned I am.


Eh if its malicious tampering its pretty badly done. The video clearly is already showing the officer's misbehavior. The arrest itself seems extremely spurious to begin with. I'm interested in seeing what the autopsy says. If the cops actually did murder her, presumably there'd be SOME sort of evidence. Even if it turns out she did kill herself, I imagine the spurious arrest could still result in some sort of lawsuit.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby DSenette » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:26 pm UTC

the suicide bit it hard....based on the description of the lady, suicide seems like a freakin stretch...but at the same time....stretching for motive for the cops to hang her is pretty hard too.

as for the arrest? dafuq? just because it's words that come out of a cops mouth doesn't mean they're words you have to comply with. put out your cigarette? nah....it's not effecting this transaction. just give me the ticket and move along.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:33 pm UTC

DSenette wrote:the suicide bit it hard....based on the description of the lady, suicide seems like a freakin stretch...but at the same time....stretching for motive for the cops to hang her is pretty hard too.
She was an outspoken opponent of police brutality. Police in other stories in this thread have killed people for literally nothing, so I'm not sure how reasonable a motive you're expecting here.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Izawwlgood » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:37 pm UTC

I don't think you need to stretch for motive at all - a black woman was physically harmed during an arrest, and injuries she sustained led to her death while she was in custody. To try and cover this up, the cops staged a suicide, and part of that staging included releasing a doctored dashcam video and coercing (or maybe even not) the coroner into 'determining cause of death was suicide'.

Lets also not forget that while she was being arrested, a bystander began filming the encounter, and another cop ordered that bystander to stop filming. This is factually, actually, illegal.

I'm extremely suspicious of pretty much everything happened from the point of her arrest to the 'discovery' of her body a few days later.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby morriswalters » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:56 pm UTC

Reality check. In almost every high profile case there has been a second autopsy. If the injuries are there they will be noted. The cops are at risk in any case. It's being investigated as murder. And had she survived she would have sued. Her death doesn't make that risk go away. And the fact she was outspoken about anything is irrelevant if the cops didn't know. Maybe she pissed off the jailers by calling them pussies, she seemed to like the word. Maybe she did commit suicide. I have no idea either way.

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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Izawwlgood » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:10 pm UTC

Her death goes away if the cops silence her and make it appear like a suicide. This is probably easier to do if you do things like doctor the dashcam footage to get rid of evidence of assaulting her during the arrest, and either coerce the coroner or have them in your pocket to begin with, making her death look like a suicide.

In fact, because of the likelihood that she probably would sue, this seems much easier. Much more in line with, if you will, typical police misbehavior.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby DSenette » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:48 pm UTC

well, I'm talking outside of evidence of someone having beat her to death (or to death enough) before she found her way into the cell. in all the audio I've heard, she's quite alive and very active (as I would be if someone yanked me out of a car for a failure to signal stop).

as to someone being outspoken about police brutality.....that still seems like a huge stretch (even in the current environment) for straight up stringing someone up in a cell.

the thought hadn't crossed my mind that before she got into the cell she had sustained what would be mortal injuries....but, then again....none of the actual evidence (TO DATE) suggests as such. that is clearly subject to change, but speaking to the evidence that is available, absolutely neither option (she hung her self, they prison murdered her) doesn't make particular sense.


I mean, if the person videoing that was suppressed came out and said that they watched the cop jab her in the kidneys a bunch, threw her on the ground and kicked her some. or like, slammed her head extremely hard on the car (which the lady in question actually does say the guy slammed her on the car and she has epilepsy, so...maybe? but still....she doesn't sound like she's in physical distress so.....still dodgy)
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby KnightExemplar » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:37 pm UTC

I can't imagine that the video was edited. Even the most trivial of video editing programs can edit both video and audio. Clearly, the police department is dumb and ignorant to the ways of the internet (wtf? Uploading to Youtube does NOT cause those kinds of artifacts), but I'm willing to bet that everyone is wrong on the issue. What seems to be most likely, is that the Police Recording equipment is shoddy as all hell. Small Town America and all, no one bothered to check the quality of the equipment before this event, and now they're getting screwed by the coverage.

I mean, why would someone edit the trucker to come into the video like two or three times, while the audio would continue uninterrupted? I don't expect the "DVD Footage" to work either. I'm thinking the master copy is just broken and no one in the small-town PD has any idea how to work a computer.

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That's not exactly the best "editing" job I've seen.

As for the suicide... the FBI has begun an investigation AND the Texas Rangers have also begun an investigation. Both are allegedly treating the suicide as a murder investigation. There's something sketchy about the "suicide", but I think whatever technical issues going on with the video are just a red herring.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby TaintedDeity » Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:03 pm UTC

A bondsman named Joe Booker has come forward saying Sandra Bland contacted him from jail about arranging bail. At the very least she was alive, well-ish and intending on leaving the jail cell before she died.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby KnightExemplar » Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:11 pm UTC

http://time.com/3968193/new-sandra-blan ... m-footage/

Well, I stand corrected. The new video seems to be legitimate and complete.

I do wonder what kind of technical issue would cause a video to loop at seemingly random locations however.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby Coyne » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:40 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:I'm extremely suspicious of pretty much everything happened from the point of her arrest to the 'discovery' of her body a few days later.


I'm suspicious before that. To put out her cigarette, she would have had to reach down to the ashtray...people have been shot for motions like that. I don't know what his motive might have been, but I'm seriously wondering if he didn't make an issue of it in order to get an excuse to shoot her. I admit there is a big "if" there, but one does have to wonder why he would demand she do something which would result in an action on her part that could so easily be misinterpreted.

If that is the case it kind of puts a different face on the arrest.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby DSenette » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:52 pm UTC

Coyne wrote:
Izawwlgood wrote:I'm extremely suspicious of pretty much everything happened from the point of her arrest to the 'discovery' of her body a few days later.


I'm suspicious before that. To put out her cigarette, she would have had to reach down to the ashtray...people have been shot for motions like that. I don't know what his motive might have been, but I'm seriously wondering if he didn't make an issue of it in order to get an excuse to shoot her. I admit there is a big "if" there, but one does have to wonder why he would demand she do something which would result in an action on her part that could so easily be misinterpreted.

If that is the case it kind of puts a different face on the arrest.

or so she would throw it out the window and get a littering citation, or even so he could claim she tried to throw the cigarette at him and call that assault.
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Re: Police misbehavior thread

Postby solune » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:26 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:http://www.wbez.org/news/city-fires-investigator-who-found-cops-fault-shootings-112423

Investigators actually have long-term effects on police misbehavior. So people should be more aware of these kinds of issues. I would expect a police watchdog group to have bias against police, as that is more or less what is required in their job. Discouraging that viewpoint will have a chilling effect and hamper Chicago's IPRA from properly investigating officer complaints.

IPRA is already filled with former-cops, so its hard to imagine how they can have a balanced viewpoint. (Indeed: Davis is a former commander with 23-years of Police experience). There aren't too many non-cops IIRC in the agency, so people should really call into question the purpose of that agency...


That is pretty much everything that is wrong with the concept of 'internal affairs'. To work properly, the group in charge of investigating the police should have an esprit de corps, setting them appart from the rest of of the police, and that includes a strong bias.
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