Steroid wrote:But then you'll be sitting around here wondering why groups like this and people like Akin from the other thread exist. Answer: you make them exist because you drive them away.
Ooh, I have magical, god-like powers of responsibility and causation now! So says Steroid, the self-proclaimed Most Sensible Guy Around. It must be true.
All I wanted to do was discuss the odious shooting of an innocent person, and the attempt to shoot more innocent people, by a guilty man motivated by an ideology. And to talk about the press reaction. But because people here care more about that ideology than guilt or innocence, we get a big debate that goes nowhere.
Ideology was your main, if not your only point. Your entire first post is as follows:
Steroid wrote:Man Opens Fire at Family Research Council
The real interesting part of this, to me, is the media coverage. CNN doesn't have it up on their front page at all. NBCnews has it as the last item, right below a story about the orbits of Mars and Venus. CBS news does have it, but you have to page down. It is their most popular story, though, so you can see why they'd drop it below the digital fold.
When conservatives talk about left-wing media bias, this is what they mean. It's not the active promotion of left-wing causes, it's the way they treat the news. Every opportunity, when a tragedy has arisen, has been taken to try to connect the Tea Party to the cause of violence, from the theater shooting in Aurora to that census worker who killed himself to make it look like a homicide to the Gabrielle Giffords shooting. None of which were actual right-on-left violence. Now, a volunteer at an LBGT organization goes into a Christian organization and starts shooting, and the press yawns. Why is no one going on TV and saying, "If only 'thou shalt not kill' were drilled into him a little more, this might not have happened. Oh, those morally bankrupt lefties!"?
The article on the Giffords shooting spends two paragraphs trying to connect right-wing rhetoric to the shooting. The article on the FRC shooting spends a paragraph on explaining what the FRC does and the policies they support. That's a left-wing perspective on things.
Of course, maybe the problem is that no one got killed here, because the guard did his job (was he armed? the articles don't say). The lesson for conservatives is clearly to let the left-wingers take out a few of you, and you might get coverage. Nah, it'll probably be more like, "N
People Shot and Killed; More Tax Money Needed for Post-Shooting Health Care."
=liberal media bias, liberal media bias, wah wah wah.
Now you want to try and rewrite even the history of this stupid thread so that your main point was just a little aside and that everyone else is consumed by ideology and hates the concept of guilt or innocence or whatever. Bullshit!
I just don't understand why it is the way that felltir describes it. I don't know why homosexuals and liberals, who at one point knew their place, now all of a sudden act as if they're the ones who built the world up.
...aw, so we don't have magical, god-like powers of responsibility and causation? But Steroid said we do! How confusing, it's almost as if you contradict your own stupid statements frequently and repeatedly. But probably I'm causing you to do that too.
I don't understand why a forum like this is more likely to exclude someone acting according to the norms of the old world than they are to exclude someone acting deviant to those norms. Someone explain this to me, please, because apparently I missed a memo somewhere.
No one's excluding you. Just observing the nonsensical things you say and disagreeing with them. You're not a martyr, you're not being persecuted, and your attempt to play the victim here is not just exceedingly trollish, it's stupid and obvious and clumsy too.