0506: "Theft of the Magi"

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Re: "Theft of the magi" discussion

Postby Timequake » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:20 am UTC

undergroundbastard wrote:Currently, there are four Google returns for "dueling harness", none of them related to xkcd - yet.

Googlebomb in five... four... three...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=%22dueling+harness%22&btnG=Search

And now everything on the first page is about xkcd.
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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby MarkGyver » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:33 am UTC

0xentropy wrote:I followed the link on wikipedia to The Gift of the Magi.

One dollar and eighty-seven cents. That was all. And sixty cents of it was in pennies.


Does anyone else see a problem with this?

Could they have had half-cent coins for the odd 2 cents?
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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby rwald » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:46 am UTC

"Classholette" is a mouthful; I suggest we go with the system whereby a ' (prime) symbol is used to designate someone's significant other. Thus, she is BHG' (pronounced "bee-aich-gee-prime").

(The ' symbol can be used for any significant others, of any gender; the one whose name gets used is just whomever the speaker is most familiar with, not necessarily the male.)

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby gormster » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:47 am UTC

0xentropy wrote:I followed the link on wikipedia to The Gift of the Magi.

One dollar and eighty-seven cents. That was all. And sixty cents of it was in pennies.


Does anyone else see a problem with this?


60 pennies, a quarter and a 2c piece? not terribly familiar with the US denominations but you have 1 2 5 10 25, right?

(we have 5 10 20 50, fyi)
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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby rwald » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:50 am UTC

gormster wrote:60 pennies, a quarter and a 2c piece? not terribly familiar with the US denominations but you have 1 2 5 10 25, right?

(we have 5 10 20 50, fyi)


We only have 1, 5, 10, 25, and 50. Still, maybe you can do something funky with a nickel (5-cent piece)...

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby GCM » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:57 am UTC

Oh noes! Randall has sold out to Valve! :shock: Of all people!

Anyway, I think the effectiveness of the 10 million marketing campaign speaks for itself, if Randall takes notice ( he are usually a Wii/GH-tart :shock: ). I myself had pre-ordered the game without having to sell off anything. Hooray for ripping off parents money!

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby yaPete » Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:59 am UTC

Gojoe wrote:This is totally true. I didn't even realize this. This is pretty much the first time that the classhole has "Lost".


Don't be silly.

http://xkcd.com/377/

http://xkcd.com/412/

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby super_aardvark » Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:09 am UTC

rwald wrote:
gormster wrote:60 pennies, a quarter and a 2c piece? not terribly familiar with the US denominations but you have 1 2 5 10 25, right?

(we have 5 10 20 50, fyi)


We only have 1, 5, 10, 25, and 50. Still, maybe you can do something funky with a nickel (5-cent piece)...


Something funky, like... cut it in fifths?

Nah, I think gormster has it right (except for the present tense "have"):
U.S. coin denominations used in the past were the half-cent, two-cent, three-cent, and 20-cent pieces, as well as a small silver coin called a half-dime.

http://www.frbatlanta.org/dac_invoke.cfm?objectid=83FD41FF-9AF0-11D5-898400508BB89A83&method=display_body
Doesn't give a timeline, but I'd believe 2-cent pieces were around back then.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby rwald » Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:19 am UTC

super_aardvark wrote:Something funky, like... cut it in fifths?

Nah, I think gormster has it right (except for the present tense "have"):
U.S. coin denominations used in the past were the half-cent, two-cent, three-cent, and 20-cent pieces, as well as a small silver coin called a half-dime.

http://www.frbatlanta.org/dac_invoke.cfm?objectid=83FD41FF-9AF0-11D5-898400508BB89A83&method=display_body
Doesn't give a timeline, but I'd believe 2-cent pieces were around back then.

Upon reflection, I think you're right; I initially was only considering that "Oh, 1 dollar and 27 cents is an odd number of cents, but you have nickels and quarters, so you can make it an even number of cents if you want." I forgot that they're also multiples of five, and that 127 is not.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby TV4Fun » Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:21 am UTC

rwald wrote:"Classholette" is a mouthful; I suggest we go with the system whereby a ' (prime) symbol is used to designate someone's significant other. Thus, she is BHG' (pronounced "bee-aich-gee-prime").

(The ' symbol can be used for any significant others, of any gender; the one whose name gets used is just whomever the speaker is most familiar with, not necessarily the male.)

So does that mean BHG'' = BHG?
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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby Alder » Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:32 am UTC

I actually understood this! Without reading the thread first...or connecting the title to the story.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby Gracenotes » Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:08 am UTC

TV4Fun wrote:
rwald wrote:"Classholette" is a mouthful; I suggest we go with the system whereby a ' (prime) symbol is used to designate someone's significant other. Thus, she is BHG' (pronounced "bee-aich-gee-prime").

(The ' symbol can be used for any significant others, of any gender; the one whose name gets used is just whomever the speaker is most familiar with, not necessarily the male.)

So does that mean BHG'' = BHG?

It could be the Black Hat Girl's secret lesbian lover.

Hypothetically.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby Panjer » Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:14 am UTC

I didn't find it that hilarious until I found out what a Roomba is, then I laughed straight for about 5 minutes.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby Neck Bolts » Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:28 am UTC

A literature joke!

Us English majors are very pleased...
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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby MGSchmahl » Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:20 pm UTC

I am familiar with the original story, and it took me until the third reading before I realized that they were hocking each other's stuff to buy gifts for themselves.

A previous poster suggested that we use ' (prime) to denote "girlfriend or boyfriend of". If BHG' = Classholette and Classholette' = BHG, this implies that BHG = a sinh x + b cosh x and Classholette = a cosh x + b sinh x. Considering how outlandish their adventures are, "hyperbolic" seems an apt description.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby PhrozenOne » Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:45 pm UTC

Hm, I had to google roomba and and gift of the Magi and craigsust witch I still cant find anything on... :P

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby GodShapedBullet » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:05 pm UTC

There could be a twist, where the other 127 cents were also pennies.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby Zerris » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:06 pm UTC

Perhaps you mean Craig's List?

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby dean.menezes » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:21 pm UTC

I deleted the thread I made and went to this one, since this one has more posts.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby Synthuir » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:36 pm UTC

Brilliant, simply brilliant comic! Is it Black Hat Girl or Black Hat Woman?
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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby drakono » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:48 pm UTC

super_aardvark wrote:
rwald wrote:
gormster wrote:60 pennies, a quarter and a 2c piece? not terribly familiar with the US denominations but you have 1 2 5 10 25, right?

(we have 5 10 20 50, fyi)


We only have 1, 5, 10, 25, and 50. Still, maybe you can do something funky with a nickel (5-cent piece)...


Something funky, like... cut it in fifths?

Nah, I think gormster has it right (except for the present tense "have"):
U.S. coin denominations used in the past were the half-cent, two-cent, three-cent, and 20-cent pieces, as well as a small silver coin called a half-dime.

http://www.frbatlanta.org/dac_invoke.cfm?objectid=83FD41FF-9AF0-11D5-898400508BB89A83&method=display_body
Doesn't give a timeline, but I'd believe 2-cent pieces were around back then.


Production of the half-cent piece ended in 1857, the two-cent piece ended in 1873, and the three-cent piece ended in 1889. The Gift of the Magi was published in 1906. I suppose it's still possible that the coins were in circulation -- I haven't found dates for their removal yet -- but I doubt it.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby thornahawk » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:28 pm UTC

The coins were withdrawn yes, but if I am to believe this, they weren't demonetized and thus remained legal tender around the time O. Henry wrote the short story.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby fortressarlington » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:55 pm UTC

gormster wrote:
roomba dueling harness

what


Yeah, What? Someone please explain, I feel dumb...

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby Hix » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:19 pm UTC

Neck Bolts wrote:A literature joke!

Us English majors are very pleased...

Please tell me that an English major did not just say "Us are very pleased"

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby Kitsusyn » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:21 pm UTC

OK, so two things need explaining:

1. What is a dueling harness for a Roomba,

and

2. In the original story, WTF WOULD SOMEONE WANT TO BUY SOMEONE ELSE'S HAIR!?
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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby Jope » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:24 pm UTC

Hix wrote:
Neck Bolts wrote:A literature joke!

Us English majors are very pleased...

Please tell me that an English major did not just say "Us are very pleased"


I like to think it's "U.S." English majors...

EDIT: It's too early for thinking correct words.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby thornahawk » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:27 pm UTC

Kitsusyn wrote:WTF WOULD SOMEONE WANT TO BUY SOMEONE ELSE'S HAIR!?


Back in the day, there were none of those miracle acrylic polymers that looked and felt like hair for wig (and dolls too) use. Therefore... they use actual hair. Collected from hairdressers, barbers, or people like Della.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby random5 » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:44 pm UTC

Awesome. I just need to know, do roomba duelling harnesses exist? If so, I need to see a roomba duel!

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby DeadCatX2 » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:58 pm UTC

I think the Roomba dueling harness is a parody of Questionable Content

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby keithc » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:01 pm UTC

rwald wrote:"Classholette" is a mouthful; I suggest we go with the system whereby a ' (prime) symbol is used to designate someone's significant other. Thus, she is BHG' (pronounced "bee-aich-gee-prime").

Did you just say she was a beeyatch? That's what it sounded like anyway.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby bentir » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:44 pm UTC

this was the most obscure comic I've ever read. I did not know what was a roomba, a harness, an Xbox, Left 4 Dead and Craig's List. And to make things worse, I also misread craig's list as craigsust, due to Randall's poor handwrighting skills. Only after coming to the forum I understand the title. This is a hard one for a foreigner.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby nescalona » Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:01 pm UTC

BHG' is bad terminology because the term does not uniquely refer to the Classholette. As as been said, which is BHG and which is BHG' depends on which one the speaker is most familiar with. Information is needlessly thrown away so the term doesn't actually mean anything.

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Postby PatchMonster » Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:11 pm UTC

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Postby Sprocket » Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:15 pm UTC

I am reminded how similar a roomba is to Biohazard.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby GCM » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:06 pm UTC

Funny. When I first saw "Roomba" here, my mind immediately went to Final Fantaxy VIII. But those are Moombas. Beeeeg difference!
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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby dennisw » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:42 pm UTC

thornahawk wrote:
Kitsusyn wrote:WTF WOULD SOMEONE WANT TO BUY SOMEONE ELSE'S HAIR!?


Back in the day, there were none of those miracle acrylic polymers that looked and felt like hair for wig (and dolls too) use. Therefore... they use actual hair. Collected from hairdressers, barbers, or people like Della.

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby dennisw » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:46 pm UTC

yaPete wrote:http://xkcd.com/412/


It's a Roomba Hatba!
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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby CentauriFox » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:55 pm UTC

digory wrote:So do dueling roombas exist, or does r.m. just want to see if someone will try it? Google revealed nothing.


Closest thing I've experienced was at a Boston robotics competition a few years ago... the harnesses would have come in handy with this many floating around

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Po8y-h5Y04

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Re: "Theft of the Magi" Discussion

Postby RJFerret » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:56 pm UTC

Ironically, from someone who owns two Roombas, they never duel, instead they work together demonstrating the ultimate in teamwork.

Heck, they won't even leave each other in their dust, they leave no dust behind!

On the other hand, they do enjoy terrorizing cats (google "roomba cat tomato" for a fun story).

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Re: "Theft of the magi" discussion

Postby MuToiD_MaN » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:58 pm UTC

Wes Janson wrote:Goddamnit.

Alright, which one of you bastards managed to update Wikipedia before I could complete my edit of the "Gift of the Magi" article?


undergroundbastard wrote:Currently, there are four Google returns for "dueling harness", none of them related to xkcd - yet.

Googlebomb in five... four... three...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=%22dueling+harness%22&btnG=Search


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