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Christmas is..

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I still like it as much as I did when I was a small child.
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I'll put up with it.
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I try to like it as much as I once did but find it hard to.
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The worst time of the year.
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Too commercial.
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Christmas is...

Postby Peter_G » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:01 pm UTC

I know it's a bit early, but...
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Re: Christmas is...

Postby Ati » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:06 pm UTC

It's an excuse to have fun and buy people things. I could care less about Jesus, the winter solstice, or Coca Cola.
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Re: Christmas is...

Postby Peter_G » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:14 pm UTC

I agree, IMO Christianity stole the whole event.
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Postby Jessica » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:20 pm UTC

A statutory holiday where I'm either payed triple to work, or get to go home and see my family.
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Postby wst » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:23 pm UTC

Ati wrote:It's an excuse to have fun and buy people things. I couldn't care less about Jesus, the winter solstice, or Coca Cola.

Fix'd for pedantic/it's annoying.

It's more the whole giving/sharing/recieving/food experience that makes Christmas good. We push the boat out, mealwise, on the day.

My xmas day:
First thing: Small presents
Breakfast: Grilled stuffed mushrooms, Salmon/Philadelphia wrap things. Bucks fizz :D
Big presents.
Lunch: Big bird-thing. Might do duck this year. Massive meal.
Afternoon: Sleeping due to stomach aches, or watching a film, or messing around with presents.
Dinner: Something small to eat.

This year I'm hoping to include some making-out with a friend to that list of 'do something awesome'. I don't know what time, so I'll leave that blank. :P
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Postby josephoenix » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:26 pm UTC

I don't give a damn about the commercial aspect of Christmas. I have enough self-assurance in my intentions to completely ignore anything else. So what if most of the toys come out around this year and retail business skyrockets? I love giving presents to people, and this is the only time of year when people don't find it awkward to receive amazing gifts. Also, theres amazing food. And jesus. I like him, too.
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Re: Christmas is...

Postby crowey » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:37 pm UTC

I like the presents and the food and the family stuff.
Actually I think I like it more than I did as a kid because I can be more involved and appreciate it all more.
Plus, this year it's going to be totally awesome, we have some totally excellent* stuff planned.


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Postby Angua » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:51 pm UTC

This is my first year having Christmas in the UK instead of going back home, so have got a job in a hotel for the holidays and will work my way through it :( I love the holiday though :)
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Postby Cheese » Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:01 pm UTC

I don't really do much that's Special at Christmas anymore. Maybe it's the fact that my next door neighbour, who we'd visited every Christmas morning since we were little, passed away a couple of years ago. Maybe it's that I get dragged out to an extra mass to go pray to a God I firmly believe doesn't exist. Maybe it's because I'm getting older.

I'll put up with it, and join in the "Christmas spirit", but I never really do much anymore - I just try and enjoy myself as much as I usually do.
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Re: Christmas is...

Postby The Spherical Cow » Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:02 pm UTC

The worst thing about Christmas is stuff like this. Seriously. It's still November. We shouldn't be having shit tons of stuff about Christmas all over the place.

The earliness, and the extended period over which 'Christmas' now takes (that is, months, rather than a couple days) makes me want to hate it. But I still enjoy Christmas Day and the days around that. Not as "magical" but fun nonetheless.

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Postby Angua » Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:04 pm UTC

The Spherical Cow wrote:The worst thing about Christmas is stuff like this. Seriously. It's still November. We shouldn't be having shit tons of stuff about Christmas all over the place.

The earliness, and the extended period over which 'Christmas' now takes (that is, months, rather than a couple days) makes me want to hate it. But I still enjoy Christmas Day and the days around that. Not as "magical" but fun nonetheless.

QFT I don't want anything to do with Christmas before December. I was talking to someone about it, and they liked it, said that it helped to ease them in (and I know someone else who was counting the weeks down to Christmas 8 weeks ahead :P)
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Postby justaman » Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:29 pm UTC

Ati wrote:It's an excuse to have fun and buy people things. I could care less about Jesus, or the winter solstice.or Coca Cola.


Fixed, Coke has nothing to do with Christmas - the "Santa was invented by Coca Cola" thing is a myth, as referenced at Snopes.com

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Re: Christmas is...

Postby Not A Raptor » Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:39 pm UTC

I still like it as much as I used to. There really isn't a reason for it...
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Re: Christmas is...

Postby pollywog » Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:44 pm UTC

I don't like it that much. I get presents I really don't want, let alone need (woohoo multitools and cheap plastic crap), and I have to spend time with my extended family, who fight all the time. I'd much rather spend it with my friends, but you know how obligations are....
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Postby natraj » Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:01 pm UTC

I still love Christmas, even if the commercialism bugs me and it gets sort of sad being family-less at the holidays. My friends and I mostly all being broke, we aren't big on the presents-giving, but it's really nice getting together for food and hanging-out-time, and I still go to Mass.
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Re: Christmas is...

Postby Levi » Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:08 pm UTC

You should add "too early" to the options.

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Postby Meowgan » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:34 am UTC

Christmas means I get to go swimming and eat prawns. And bushfires.
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Re: Christmas is...

Postby rubber314chicken » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:38 am UTC

I'm kinda sick of it. mostly because at night (we spend all day at my grandma's which is like 3 miles from my house) when I want to go home because I'm dead tired my parents are usually too engrossed in conversation to care, my brother too busy with video games, and my sisters either engrossed in conversation, or refusing to drive me home.

Its also to commercial, and I really hate all of that. I think there are like three people who I buy gifts for, and I get gifts from those three as well, so I think it works out well. I've really grown sick of gift giving.
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Re: Christmas is...

Postby arcticfox.sq » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:34 am UTC

Re: earliness
I kinda have to start early this year since exams are next week, and the semester is over by the 11th so all my giftgiving to friends on campus must be done by then, but probably earlier since I don't want to be running around trying to find people during exam week. This means my Christmas shopping needs to be done... now, tomorrow's the last day of classes. :roll:

I think it's a nice holiday regardless of the commercial and religious stuff associated with it. It's an excuse to give/get presents and be nice to the family for a change. Although I'm not sure how to give presents to my Jewish friends... lable it a winter solstice present?
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Re: Christmas is...

Postby Silverfish » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:43 am UTC

I believe the whole thing is too commercialized. This was fine when I was a young kid because:
1. I really didn't notice it
2. I wouldn't have cared, I was getting presents!

I try to enjoy the Christmas season, keeping in mind that it's a good time to share with the family and that there are younger people in my family who are enjoying it just like I did when I was a kid. That said, I usually end up feeling guilty at the end of it all because of all the useless things we've bought each other. It all seems very wasteful.

In contrast, yesterday in the US, was our Thanksgiving. Now there's a holiday I still like. We still get together as a family and there isn't all the commercialized promotion of over consuming in respect of buying gadgets and toys and things like that.

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Postby apricity » Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:39 am UTC

I love Christmas as much as I did when I was little, even though I do think it's too commercial now. I can't help it, I feel like it's magical. I love shopping for presents for my friends and family, and baking cookies, and the music, and seeing all the lights everywhere. I think living in NYC has made me appreciate it a lot more, because the whole city just transforms.
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Postby Angua » Fri Nov 28, 2008 9:43 am UTC

arcticfox.sq wrote:Although I'm not sure how to give presents to my Jewish friends... lable it a winter solstice present?
Re: earliness
I kinda have to start early this year since exams are next week, and the semester is over by the 11th so all my giftgiving to friends on campus must be done by then, but probably earlier since I don't want to be running around trying to find people during exam week. This means my Christmas shopping needs to be done... now, tomorrow's the last day of classes. :roll:

I think it's a nice holiday regardless of the commercial and religious stuff associated with it. It's an excuse to give/get presents and be nice to the family for a change. Although I'm not sure how to give presents to my Jewish friends... lable it a winter solstice present?

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Re: Christmas is...

Postby Luthen » Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:26 am UTC

Christmas still is a good time of year to me. Its a chance to catch up with my wider family and I really enjoy some of the associated things.

As for Christmas being too early, I think late November is a perfectly reasonable time to start. Advent starts the fourth Sunday before Christmas (the 30th this year), so with the twelve days of Christmas afterwards Christmas should be a most a six week season.

I would agree that Christmas is over-commercialised but am sort of glad that its Christmas that's commercialised rather than Easter. That being said I'm sure it could be worse and the commercialisation is only as important as you make it out to be.
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Postby kinigget » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:24 pm UTC

Christmas hasn't been the same for me ever since my extended family scattered across the country. One of the things that made christmas great was the entire extended family gathering at someone's house and exchanging gifts and talking and having a good time for hours. Now, it's just another part of winter, and that makes me sad. I miss enjoying christmas, but I have no reason to anymore. Thanksgiving has gone the same way.
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Postby JayDee » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:30 pm UTC

I've realised this year that the only aspect of Christmas I really care about is the religious one. Not that I'm a devout Christian my any measure, I just love the cultural-religious flavour of it all. Carol especially - proper, olde carols that have religious themes and good music, none of this modern stuff.

I also love spending time with family, but that is far more a summer holidays thing than a Christmas thing.
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Postby cypherspace » Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:46 pm UTC

crowey wrote:I like the presents and the food and the family stuff.
Actually I think I like it more than I did as a kid because I can be more involved and appreciate it all more.
Plus, this year it's going to be totally awesome, we have some totally excellent* stuff planned.

This. All this. Especially the family stuff, since I don't live with them any more and I don't see them all that often.
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Re: Christmas is...

Postby jeffk » Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:23 pm UTC

The Spherical Cow wrote:The worst thing about Christmas is stuff like this. Seriously. It's still November. We shouldn't be having shit tons of stuff about Christmas all over the place.

The earliness, and the extended period over which 'Christmas' now takes (that is, months, rather than a couple days) makes me want to hate it. But I still enjoy Christmas Day and the days around that. Not as "magical" but fun nonetheless.


This. I used to say that it was OK to break out the Christmas stuff after Thanksgiving, and as Luthen pointed out, the first Sunday of Advent usually falls in November.

Over the past few years, though, I find myself getting Christmas Burnout by mid-December. Although I don't think they're entirely to blame, part of the problem comes from the radio stations that switch to "All Christmas, All The Time" during (their somewhat generous interpretation of) the holidays.

Primarily because there's not enough Christmas music to properly fill the airwaves between Thankgiving and Christmas with any sort of decent rotation.

And certainly not enough good Christmas music.

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Postby levicc00123 » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:32 pm UTC

lanicita wrote:I love Christmas as much as I did when I was little, even though I do think it's too commercial now. I can't help it, I feel like it's magical. I love shopping for presents for my friends and family, and baking cookies, and the music, and seeing all the lights everywhere. I think living in NYC has made me appreciate it a lot more, because the whole city just transforms.


QFT, even though I don't live in NYC. I think that small cities have their own charm around Christmas as well.
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Postby segmentation fault » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:58 pm UTC

NYC transforms into a clusterfuck of people to the point where you cant even walk 2 blocks in less than 10 minutes.
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Postby micco » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:27 pm UTC

I like the food and beeing with family. But it starts way too early, like in early October.
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Re: Christmas is...

Postby Plasma Man » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:33 pm UTC

I don't really like Christmas, but I'll put up with it. I dislike the promotion of it starting ridiculously early (this year I received my first Christmas catalogue in August); that a large proportion of people seem to go insane over it; that it brings out all the Christian religious nutters to do street preaching; that the shops become so busy that trying to go in and buy one thing becomes an ordeal; that these same shops are all filled with the same shitty music on a constant loop; that everyone with children takes time off work around it leaving me to do almost everything; that there's the enforced jollity of the work Christmas do where you have to pretend to be friends instead of colleagues; that there are numerous other Christmas parties going on, making the pubs far too busy and preventing you from being able to have a meal at a restaurant unless you booked it two months earlier; having to buy presents not just for your friend but for their partner and their children as well... I could go on.

I like buying things for friends that I know they'll like. I like seeing my family and some relations thtat I don't see very often. I like having a day where it's okay to eat and drink to excess.

It's also bloody inconvenient. Between November 24th and December 25th I have four friends who have birthdays, so it gets quite hard to come up with new ideas.

Oh, and on the "when is it too early" question, my family has a little tradition. We apply a verbal word filter up to November 5th, so that Christmas becomes Evil. Shops therefore advertise delivery before Evil, we can ask if we're going to have time off work for Evil, stuff like that.
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Postby segmentation fault » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:48 pm UTC

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/200 ... after.html

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Re: Christmas is...

Postby Luthen » Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:39 am UTC

I only found out about Black Friday a week ago and I'm sort of horrified by the rabid-shoppers waiting at the doors. Though, we have similar problems for the Boxing Day sales.

Plus, I'm surprised the fairly religious US of A would give the day after thanksgiving, which is now basically just shopping, the same name as one of the most important days of the Christian calendar.

EDIT: Interestingly there's no mention of Good Friday being called Black Friday on Wikipedia, does this mean my church lied to me about the names of its own traditions?
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Postby apricity » Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:33 am UTC

segmentation fault wrote:NYC transforms into a clusterfuck of people to the point where you cant even walk 2 blocks in less than 10 minutes.
Only in Rockefeller Center, and places like SoHo and the Union Square holiday market. But in the areas that aren't big for shopping, people in general seem nicer and happier, and there are still lights EVERYWHERE.
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Re: Christmas is...

Postby Hentzau » Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:06 pm UTC

'Black Friday' is so called because, traditionally, it's the sales day on which most retailers cease to be financially 'in the red' and hence end up 'in the black'.

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Re: Christmas is...

Postby Luthen » Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:29 am UTC

JayDee wrote:I've realised this year that the only aspect of Christmas I really care about is the religious one. Not that I'm a devout Christian my any measure, I just love the cultural-religious flavour of it all. Carol especially - proper, olde carols that have religious themes and good music, none of this modern stuff.

I also love spending time with family, but that is far more a summer holidays thing than a Christmas thing.


I think I have a, if not opposite definitely different, view of the cultural-religious aspects Christmas. I also really enjoy the carols and stuff, the cultural side but find religious stuff isn't that important, so I'm not offended by the commercialisation.
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Re: Christmas is...

Postby 3fj » Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:17 am UTC

I love christmas, but i hate what people would call "christmasy"

I love everyone being together, big roast dinners, collective laziness, and the idea of generous fat people who get a kick out of riding down chimmenys.

I hate pine trees, baubles and jesus.
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Postby wing » Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:31 am UTC

segmentation fault wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/11/28/2008-11-28_worker_dies_at_long_island_walmart_after.html

and christmas died along with this man. christmas is dead to me.

WTF! If I worked at that Walmart, there would've been customers on the floor too.

This is especially relevant this year because the sales were ABSOLUTE DICK and in many cases HIGHER than standard list prices nevermind Internet prices.
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Postby '; DROP DATABASE;-- » Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:23 am UTC

Christmas is boring here; we don't really do anything. And I can't afford to buy gifts. T_T
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Re: Christmas is...

Postby Delalyra » Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:20 pm UTC

The only things I really like about Christmas are the christmas lights and snow. So pretty.

Familyness, food, meh. Though I'm not opposed to caroling or the monthlong break I get. :p
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