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by **Vox Imperatoris** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:25 pm UTC

I'm a bit suspicious of SuperTD, since Trumpkin led the lynch attempt on him and he died at night. It could of course be a mafia frame-up, but I've got my eye on you.

by **Trumpkin** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:32 pm UTC

May those involved with my death die under the most humiliating of circumstances! Hurk, blegh.

by **Pepsiblue** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:51 pm UTC

Oh, and 6 players left, 4 to lynch.

by **ameretrifle** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 7:07 am UTC

Well. Didn't expect that one.

Both mafia are still alive, then... fantastic. And still no info on whether we have a doc/cop/jester-- not that there's any way we could've gotten that other than one of the above getting killed, so-- guess that's not so bad.

SuperTD (there's... really no good way to shorten that one) should indeed be watched, but I don't know if we have quite enough to go on yet. Also, I hate to be suspicious of someone just 'cause he's alive, but little things about Vox's play yesterday and, well, his continued survival worry me a bit. But it's really hard to draw any conclusions based on, like, half a page.

Time zone stuff's settled, let's get talking. If we don't lynch scum today, it's lylo, right?

by **Pepsiblue** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:05 pm UTC

It is, indeed, lylo.

by **Jebobek** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:21 pm UTC

It just sucks that Woofsie disappeared from the face of the fora during all of this. We were down a man from the very start

by **Ashbash** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:24 pm UTC

ninja'd.

Isn't it lylo now? Say we lynch a townie, then mafia NK's a townie, that makes it 2 v 2, and mafia win. Out of the 4 remaining civilians, only 2 need to be persuaded to vote against a teammate and the mafia can just add their votes on top and win. On the other hand, to vote out a mafia, all four of us must pick the right person, or three of us and convince the other mafia to go against their partner, creating a 3 v 1 situation the next day, which will be another lylo. Haven't included possibilities of a doctor.

Right, so agreed with the fact that lots of talking must be done quickly. I've got an idea, why don't we all offload any suspicions, thoughts or mere hunches onto the fora and see what comes of it, for each other remaining person if you can, or also thoughts on possible scum pairs? Then we have more to dicuss, I guess.

At the moment, the person I consider most likely to be a candidate for mafia is Vox. For an IC player, he(?)'s doing very little explaining/persuading, and that little bit strikes me as..dodgy... bad logic, to an extent. Consider -

I've already voted for him (Asmodieus)at the start as a mostly random vote.

which seems to attempt to give an aura that he knows what's best or something. Can't put my finger on it exactly. The other thing that got me going was

I'm a bit suspicious of SuperTD, since Trumpkin led the lynch attempt on him and he died at night. It could of course be a mafia frame-up, but I've got my eye on you.

. Now i) Trumpkin did state the randomness of the vote (in the sense that the vote vote was without reason, intended to spark discussion), and the reasons for choosing SuperTD (due to their real life friendship) and ii) SuperTD's not that much of a noob to NK Trumpkin, really the only person that a connection could be made betweeen, having played about 3 or 4 games. That sentence came out a bit retarded, if it doesn't make sense please ask. However on the other hand it's a bit of a risk for Vox to suggest a 'mafia frame up' if that's what he's actually planning on doing this round, but I don't think if mafia that he'd concievably push a vote for SuperTD, but rather one for Asmodieus, me or Ameretrifle. One reason I said for being suspicious of him is the sheer lack of reasoning for an IC player, but maybe this is due to extended participation in other games, I don't know. Possible scum pairings with anyone really, Asmodieus (insane attempts to distance), ameretrifle (semi agreeing), or jebobek (not mentioning each other at all) Not really anything to go on in that department.

Possibly ameretrifle and asmodieus pairing? She was quick to defend him

I dunno, I think this might just be how Asmodieus plays. I'm not going to jump on this one just yet.

but then again, this is probably based off playing together in another game going on (forgotten which one) and watching the asmodieus hate flow, which wasn't very nice. Who knows. The only other reason I'd consider ameretrifle to be mafia is that all the niceness could possibly be a facade to get things done, for instance, starting the charge on Woofsie, but more likely that's nothing.

I don't really have any formulated opinions on SuperTD or Jebobek yet, except a hunch that SuperTD isn't mafia, unless it's Vox/SuperTD as mafia, with the whole NK of trumpkin and accusation of SuperTD as a supercrazy plot.

These are my thoughts so far, I guess. I wanna hear all yours so it doesn't look like I'm a lone voice accusing everybody while diverting attention from myself, because this is not the case.

by **Ashbash** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:39 pm UTC

As you can see, I'm quite bored and have nothing else to do

by **Ashbash** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:51 pm UTC

Oh also one more thing - I was going to say I had a hunch that we were all townies or mafia, but it turns out there's at least one special character. I haven't seen any signs of a jester so far, the doctor either doesn't exist or misfired last night, and there hasn't been enough talk in day 2 to determine if anyone's saying anything with extra knowledge showing that they're a cop. Any thoughts guys? (No I'm not asking for a confirmation, although, on second thoughts, would that be a bad idea? We are after all at lylo... but maybe it's better to wait)

by **ameretrifle** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 2:04 pm UTC

It's the bunny game Asmodieus just got lynched in. He was acting exactly the same there, so I didn't want to jump on him for that-- time will tell whether that was a mistake or not. With only a 1/4 chance of there being a jester... that was the logic I didn't like. Still could be scum though.

Your thoughts on Vox are pretty much my thoughts on Vox exactly.

Wait, why do you think there's a special character for sure?

I can see that it might not be out of the question to claim since it's lylo now, though... anyone else think it could be useful, or is there an obvious trap I'm missing? Except that anyone who claims a special role is pretty well dead tonight, unless we got lucky with a Cop AND Doc... but, at this point, if it helps us lynch scum, that might be a sacrifice worth making. Thoughts?

by **Jebobek** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:44 pm UTC

Ashbash, I'm a little concerned about you first agreeing with Vox:

Vox Imperatoris wrote:Asmodieus seems to have a lot more of that "fragrance" to me, as evidenced by his instant bandwagon. I say we lynch him. (I've already voted for him at the start as a mostly random vote.)

Ashbash wrote:Yeah wow, Asmodieous, what the hell. Although I dunno whether that's scummy or just noobishness (since we are all noobs here, save Vox). I'll go check up on the way s/he plays later, I don't have time now.

And then turning around and saying

At the moment, the person I consider most likely to be a candidate for mafia is Vox. For an IC player, he(?)'s doing very little explaining/persuading, and that little bit strikes me as..dodgy... bad logic, to an extent.

I realize that "fragrance" is not the best explanation, but could you and ameretrifle explain your suspicions on him a bit better or is this just "fragrance"/metagaming?

by **SuperTD** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:59 pm UTC

I'm not mafia. If I was, it would be a very bad move for me to kill trumpkin, since I would automatically become suspicious. I can understand that you are all watching me, and I haven't really got a defence except that it would be a stupid idea to kill Trumpkin if I was mafia.
I'm not going to jump on Asmodieus, as I think this is just how he plays. It was the same in the rabbits game, and he turned out to be town. I'm not really sure who to go for.

by **Asmodieus** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:42 pm UTC

Sorry, I just really dont know how to play... and I couldnt really explain my suspicions last game D=

SuperTD wrote:I'm not mafia. If I was, it would be a very bad move for me to kill trumpkin, since I would automatically become suspicious. I can understand that you are all watching me, and I haven't really got a defence except that it would be a stupid idea to kill Trumpkin if I was mafia.I'm not going to jump on Asmodieus, as I think this is just how he plays. It was the same in the rabbits game, and he turned out to be town. I'm not really sure who to go for.

FoS: SuperTD

Why not kill Trumpkin and claim that it would be stupid.
Perhaps you are trying to drive suspicion away from yourself.

by **SuperTD** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:28 pm UTC

Well now we're getting into the land of WIFOM. You just have to go with what you feel is right.

by **Woofsie** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:31 pm UTC

Ow, I've been lynched.

Sorry I haven't posted yet, I've been without internet since Friday (stupid ISP messing up payments).. so yeah. Hopefully I'll have better timing with the next game I join.

by **Ashbash** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:27 am UTC

Just a quick post here:

Oh no Woofsie! That's pretty lame. Hope you don't take offense that we voted you off.

No I wasn't refering to that part Jebobek, I did agree and still do that Asmodieus' quick bandwagoning made him look scummy - what I was pointing out was the "I've already voted for him" section.

Ameretrifle, check the first page. All of the options for game setup include a special character.

Re claiming, the only role I'd consider getting to claim would be the cop, if one exists, but I'm still divided on how dangerous that is.

by **ameretrifle** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:33 am UTC

OH. Crap. I see. I thought there was one with only townies and mafia-- reading comprehension FTL X_X

Sorry, Woofsie... Bad timing all around, I guess. Hope your next game goes better for you.

My suspicions of Vox are admittedly vague. His switch from going for Asmodieus to seconding my Woofsie vote seemed kind of sudden to me. It also came as a surprise to me that he didn't get killed last night, but maybe I'm just not as imaginative as our mafia. Still have no idea where they got Trumpkin from. Does that seem an odd choice to anyone else, or is it just me?

Vox is not, actually, lurking, and I realize that, but it'll make me very happy when he posts some more... He seems a little quiet, but the game IS only three pages long, so... Gah. For all the insanity of Mega's game, having thirty people in does have its advantages.

I hate to say this, but if there's a cop with an innocent OR a guilty on someone who isn't dead, I think they should claim. Maybe even if they don't-- but if they have anything we can go on, to increase our odds, at this point, I think it's got to be worth the risk. Even if there weren't a doctor, and they've still got a fifty/fifty shot at there being one.

I guess I just really, really hope there's a cop... Jester's a detriment to the town, and Doctor is way harder to pull off. If you're a cop, getting an innocent OR guilty is helpful; if you're the Doctor and you pick the wrong person, you have nothing. Of course, there's always the danger of some scum falseclaiming cop...

by **Ashbash** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:08 pm UTC

SuperTD, Asmodieus, Vox and Jebobek, could you please dump post all your thoughts, suspicions and suggestions on the game? It gives us something to go on.

by **SuperTD** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:42 pm UTC

At the moment I'm slightly suspicious of Asmodieus. This is because he is suspicious of me because Trumpkin died, and he had voted for me. It would be a very risky gamble for a mafioso to make, to use the logic that I used in my defence. This is made clear by the fact that Asmodieus picked up on it very quickly. If i was mafia, I would have no reason to kill Trumpkin since it was a random vote. Though I know him in real life, I don't play the game to kill him because of that. His vote wasn't really significant, so A mafia wouldn't have to kill him. In my mind this is a deliberate mafia frame up.

Does that make sense?

by **Jebobek** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:35 pm UTC

ameretrifle wrote:My suspicions of Vox are admittedly vague. His switch from going for Asmodieus to seconding my Woofsie vote seemed kind of sudden to me.

I would have voted for Woofsie as well if I was around (no offense, Woofsie), simply because it looked like he would not be able to post much in the game and we were getting close to night. Its better to get rid of people who look like they aren't even getting on to play the game, just for the sake to keep things interesting.

So my thoughts right now is that there is a lot of suspicions going on about Vox, asmodeus, and Super TD. Asmodeus and Super TD seem to be at ends with each other right now.

It seems to me that Asmodeus is playing more like a jester than mafia. With the bandwagon vote, It kinda seems that Asmodeus was trying to look like scum on day 1, but is now holding off because he does not want to make himself look like he's trying to get himself lynched. I could be looking into it way too much and Asmodeus was just being a goofball

by **Asmodieus** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:40 am UTC

Boy, you just accused almost everone in the game in one post.

And @SuperTD, I think alot about strategies people would use. The problem is I'm not very good at writing TL;DR thesis' about why I think someone is suspicious or not.

by **ameretrifle** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:29 am UTC

Jebobek wrote:I would have voted for Woofsie as well if I was around (no offense, Woofsie), simply because it looked like he would not be able to post much in the game and we were getting close to night. Its better to get rid of people who look like they aren't even getting on to play the game, just for the sake to keep things interesting.

Yeah, I know... that's why I voted him. Still, from Asmodieus to Woofsie without any comment but "seconded"... I know it isn't much at all, but there ISN'T much at all, so I'm throwing all my vague suspicions at the wall to see if any stick with anyone.

Ashbash wrote:SuperTD, Asmodieus, Vox and Jebobek, could you please dump post all your thoughts, suspicions and suggestions on the game? It gives us something to go on.

Total agreement. So now we've heard from everyone but... Vox. I grant you, he's running a couple games, but if he doesn't show up and post soon, I'm going to worry.

by **Jebobek** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:55 pm UTC

How's the time limit looking? I'm starting to worry we're running out.

Is the mod around?

by **Pepsiblue** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:01 pm UTC

I'm likely going to extend the timelimit as this is a newbie game, people are on different timezones, most everyone appears interested and participating in the conversation and it is lylo. 8 hours till the set timelimit is hit, I'll increase it another 72 hours after that.

by **Vox Imperatoris** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:53 pm UTC

Sorry, I've been busy in real life. I will make a wall o' text when I get back from school.

by **Pepsiblue** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:48 pm UTC

Timelimit extended until December 7th 6:00pm EST

by **ameretrifle** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:46 am UTC

Shame on you, Gojoe, acting like I'm the only provincial American on the whole board who uses EST.

Kind of like how OOTD pretended to be offended when I called him Puff. EVERYONE calls him Puff. That's gonna backfire on him, though; I'm already making a list of fictional dragon names that are worse. :mrgreen:

I can have a new derisive nickname for him every game!

I will now settle in to wait for the promised wall of text. After that, it'll be time for some serious thinking. We're all not going to lynch anyone before they have the chance to defend themselves, right? We have a little time, and we need to be careful with this one.

by **oneofthedragon** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:32 pm UTC

Actually only Bulvox calls me puff.

by **Vox Imperatoris** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:50 pm UTC

Alright, for everyone who was confused about the fact that I didn't die, given that I'm the only one who signed up as an experienced player: well, I don't know either. When I opened up this thread after seeing that the night was over, I was thinking "Well, it should be about time to sign up for a new one then."

But I didn't die, so my suspicions immediately fell on SuperTD. However, he has defended himself quite reasonably, so I no longer see him as being scum. So let's put him in green on the list.

1. Ashbash
2. Jebobek
~~3. Woofsie~~
4. SuperTD
~~5. Trumpkin~~
6. Asmodieus
7. ameretrifle
8. Vox Imperatoris

Ashbash seems to me to be the one least likely to be scum, with his detailed analyses and overall active post style. While it's true that sometimes the scum do this too, I'm going to mark him in green also. ameretrifle's attitude seems to mark her (?) as being town, too; I just don't get a scummy "vibe" from her.

Jebobek I just can't get a reading on, and it doesn't seem fair to judge myself, so I'm going to put both of us down as yellow.

Asmodieus is the one that I'm most convinced is scum. His behavior so far and his attitude in general make him seem extremely scummy. While he could be a jester, it's more likely that he is scum. Asmodieus's being in the mafia might also explain the somewhat strange killing of Trumpkin.

What happens next is up to everyone else. First, if we have a cop, please post your investigation, given that it is now lylo. Not only will it tell us whether someone is guilty or innocent but it will also confirm that we do not have a jester. If no one posts an investigation, I will assume that we have no cop.

As for the other member of the mafia, I think we have to wait for the day's events to pan out, but my prime suspect is Jebobek. He has lurked for much of the game (although that is not conclusive proof :wink:

), and this

Jebobek wrote:It seems to me that Asmodeus is playing more like a jester than mafia. With the bandwagon vote, It kinda seems that Asmodeus was trying to look like scum on day 1, but is now holding off because he does not want to make himself look like he's trying to get himself lynched. I could be looking into it way too much and Asmodeus was just being a goofball

seems like it could be a mafia member trying to defend his teammate's mistake. The other possible suspect is Ashbash. While lots of informative posts is usually indicative of someone being town, that's not always the case, and some of his posts have been a bit fishy. But as I said before, we need to wait until the day is over to make any clear judgments about that.

If I'm wrong about Asmodieus, of course, we lose twenty dollars and my self respect ("lose the g ame" is apparently word filtered for "lose twenty dollars and my self respect"), but I'd rather take a chance on his being scum than any of the rest of us.

by **Asmodieus** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:01 pm UTC

I still dont understand why you think I am scum.

You didnt really explain anything there

by **Vox Imperatoris** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:20 pm UTC

Asmodieus wrote:I still dont understand why you think I am scum.

You didnt really explain anything there

You voted SuperTD almost instantly after there was the first vote on him, without explaining anything, and you're not a very helpful player for the town in any case.

by **Asmodieus** » Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:24 pm UTC

I voted SuperTD because Trumpkin did it and I felt like screwing around.

Also, there really isn't much to say.

by **ameretrifle** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:55 am UTC

My first impression of Vox's post is that he's making some good points... Asmodieus' voting has been suspicious this game, even if I don't want to base anything on his demeanor. And that Trumpkin kill... it seems either like someone totally winging it 'cause they can, or like someone purposely killing someone random to throw us all into confusion and frame people. I think we all know who those strategies seem to match... if that's so, then which one?

So, since apparently we don't have a cop (unless the cop hates us or something), we must have either a Doc or a Jester. Jester's useless, so since we're all telling the cop to claim, what's our advice for the potential doctor? Should they wait, since claiming is pretty well suicide, or claim, since that'll prove there's no Jester?

by **Asmodieus** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:31 pm UTC

An OMGUS accusation:

Vox Imperatoris wrote:
Asmodieus wrote:I still dont understand why you think I am scum.

You didnt really explain anything there

You voted SuperTD almost instantly after there was the first vote on him, without explaining anything, and you're not a very helpful player for the town in any case.

I would like to point out that your most of your posts up to this point have been accusations or lynch voting without any real reasoning.
Apart from that you say Im the mafia simply because I dont write alot, well, neither have you up till now.

Vox Imperatoris wrote:
Asmodieus wrote:Soo, who dunit?

Youdunnit.

Vote: Asmodieus

Vox Imperatoris wrote:I'm a bit suspicious of SuperTD, since Trumpkin led the lynch attempt on him and he died at night. It could of course be a mafia frame-up, but I've got my eye on you.

Vox Imperatoris wrote:Question: If the jester is lynched, do the mafia and the town both lose?

Vox Imperatoris wrote:I second that.

Vote: Woofsie

Maybe you are the mafia and are trying to draw attention away from yourself by accusing alot of people.

And also, I might just be clutching at straws here because I'm really frustrated, why did you put your name is yellow instead of clearing yourself?
Maybe nothing, but I felt like pointing that out.

by **Ashbash** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:38 am UTC

Shit how much time have we got left? Not many new thoughts on my end, I've been to braindead recently - sister's birthday etc. Only thing I've got is a fleeting suspicion that Vox might be the jester and purposely acting semi scummy and hoping we pick up on it, but I'm not sure if that was dashed by his last post.

by **Ashbash** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:39 am UTC

Urgh, I said to instead of too.

by **Pepsiblue** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:20 pm UTC

10 hours. I won't manage to end the night 'till I get home which should be around 10-12, so more like 14-16 hours to go.

by **ameretrifle** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:53 am UTC

Um... Crap. I hope we can get an extension. No-lynch would screw us and random lynch might not be much better.

Ash: Vox isn't the jester. I can promise you that. At this point there's absolutely nothing to lose in promising you that. There is no jester in this game.

Yeah. That's an implicit roleclaim. For god's sake, talk about it. I'm torn between Vox and Asmo and I'm not sure what to do. Ask me about my TARDIS, for god's sake. Post.

by **Pepsiblue** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:35 pm UTC

Last extension, random kill will follow. 72 hours.

by **SuperTD** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:49 pm UTC

Ok, so ameretrifle is now claiming either Doctor or Cop, and think I'm going to trust her for the moment. I'm reluctant to go for Asmodieus, since he played the same way in Wascally Wabbilts and got lynched, and was townie. But if no-one else shows themself to be suspicious, then It's going to have to be Asmodieus. What do other people think about ameretrifle's claim?

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