Wascally Wabbits - TOWN WINS

[michaelandjimi]

Sorry for the thread-spamming, but:

By my calculations, we still have a mafia, multiple independents and townies. At the beginning of Day 4, Amy said:

There is still a mafia, still a cult, still independents, and still town-aligned left.[/b]

As all of the deaths this morning are confirmed town-aligned or cult-aligned (I think - is English Spot?), that means we still have those left.

I have no nightkill. CntRational is an ND. We cannot be the only townies, as it is possible to win the game in two days. With two lynches, and the nightkills from the SK and Mafia hilariously hitting each other, that's a maximum of four deaths within two days. Unless you are a townie with a nightkill (I don't think there is one), you may replace yourself with me in this mental exercise. If four kills is enough to wipe out all anti-town elements, then there is at least 3 townies. There is a maximum of four, given that there are at least two independents and at least one Mafioso (I'm unsure as to whether to interpret Sungura as One Mafia Group or One Mafia Player).

Two modly questions:
Is English Spot pro-town?
When you said there is still a mafia, did you mean a Mafia group or a single Mafioso?

[Sungura]

Modly Answers:
1) Sorry, I forgot to post alignments with Night 4:
Overbored (town) was lynched yesterday, he was an English Spot.
OneOfTheDragon (town), a Belgian Hare, was killed by the cult.
Jesse (town), a Holland Lop, was killed by the SK.
Cycoden (cult), a Mini Rex, was killed by the scum.
Felltir (cult), a Chinchilla, has been modkilled for inactivity.

2) I do not have multiple mafia groups in this game.

I would say if it was lylo.

Depending as to how independents and mafia play it, and how the town does, I expect this game to be over either tomorrow (i.e. Day 6) or the day after (i.e. Day 7). At this point, it is still about as balanced as it was at the start of the game, which I am happily pleased with as I wanted to create a complex game that would keep things decently balanced for most of the game.

[myrrh7x]

To explain my lurkiness - I JUST WOKE UP LIKE 10 MINUTES AGO.
Geez.
Now explain the vanilla towniness confirmed thingy, because I have a bad feeling about it, and not just because I'm one of the possible lynched.

[myrrh7x]

From what I understand.
Tigerlion's dead.
As is as well.
And Cnt was investigated as Town.
But you can confirm these for me.
I think Istrom died and was announced, but I'm going to check,
and Amy may not want to keep his role constant just because she wants us on our toes,
but that's her choice.

[myrrh7x]

Istrom was replaced midday, and Amy specifically said Une took over his role, so that doesn't prove anything, even if he was present at the beginning of the game.

[crucialityfactor]

Spoiler:

Well I would say that now myrrh's idea looks like total crap seeing as how OOTD was in fact Town. But to be fair...it was right about amere.

To be honest MAJ is looking worse right now, especially since he's admitting that he was reaching on the Overbored thing. I was wary of you yesterday, and today I'm even moreso.

To me it seems like you've been trying to push the spotlight on to other people since you decided to become active in this game.

- You came up guilty to the investigations (granted we now have proof that they aren't 100% accurate). You still came up guilty.
- You pushed hard to lynch a townie (if his role claim was true, he was quite useful). You now admit that you weren't too sure about it to begin with.
- Now you're pushing against Myrrh again on the grounds that his "lynch and see" tactic sucked. When at the same time your tactic of lynching has actually resulted in a dead townie.

To be honest, right now, you have no credibility with me. All I've seen from you so far has been you scrambling to throw other people under the bus.

This is a little silly. Running from the top:

"Since I decided to become active in this game"? I wasn't in the game until recently. It took a while for me to get back up to speed with the game.

You are attempting to use the fact that I came up guilty on an investigation that we have proof is inaccurate to somehow prove I'm guilty. It's completely inadmissible as evidence.

I didn't push hard to lynch Overbored. I pushed moderately at best. I wasn't sure about him, but there was more evidence against him than anybody else that I looked at. So I voted. Even if I had unvoted later, he still would have been lynched.

Your third dot point doesn't even make sense. Myrrh wanted to lynch people to see whether the investigations were accurate. We had no proof that either of us were Mafia beyond these clearly untrustworthy investigations. Now you're referring to "lynching" as a tactic, which is a first. We lynched him because we had evidence he was anti-town. Why are you comparing my "tactic" of "lynching people with evidence against them" with Myrrh's "tactic" of "lynching people with no evidence to see whether an untrustworthy investigation is accurate"? It's ludicrous!

Some more things:

I was wary of you yesterday, and today I'm even moreso.

Weren't you the guy who yesterday said:

It's just odd that MAJ really started getting really active the day after he came up scum to my investigation and amere, who also came up as scum, was confirmed as scum. But, that's kinda a pushing it right now. He's being helpful for the time being and isn't coming off as being scum.

I would hardly call you thinking I was not scum "wary". Especially when your reasoning was "He became active when an investigation showed him as scum". Is that not normal for a player, regardless of alignment? I challenged you to find a role where that isn't the natural course of action.

To me it seems like you've been trying to push the spotlight on to other people since you decided to become active in this game.

Push the spotlight from myself? That huge spotlight where everyone was gunning for my lynch? I didn't think so.

With regards to Vieto's mistake, I believe he meant OOTD, not ameretrifle.

I don't think you're scum, CF. This may be because I haven't looked through your posting history. I do, however, think Myrrh is.

He claimed Townie right off the bat. He was trying to push for the lynch of both me and OOTD off little evidence. He's right on the borderline for lurking, and a large amount of his posts have been contentless. We have evidence that at least one of the claimed Netherland Dwarfs is lying. Bearing that in mind, right now:

Vote: Myrrh7x

Long post...

-When I say you decided to become active. Yes, I know you weren't in the game for a few days. But your 2nd day alive was when you actually stated that you were going to become more active. But you did go from being fairly slient to the most vocal player very suddenly. I suppose the curve of having to catch up on the thread makes sense though.

-With the investigations. We have one person who came up guilty who was guilty, and another who came up guilty who wasn't. So 50/50 you're guilty/not guilty. But, I guess that's really anyone in the game huh?

-You don't have to challenge me on anything. To me, being wary of someone is having something about them that sticks out that has potential to make me believe that they are scum. For you, it was that you came up guilty, another person came up guilty was shown to be guilty, and THEN you started going after people. And you ended up leading a lynch on someone who you now say that you didn't see as being that scummy but you didn't have any better options. You obviously thought he was scummy enough to want to remove him from the game though.

And I didn't say push the spotlight from yourself. I just said to other people. Think of it as we're all in a room standing in a circle and there's a light hanging down in the middle pointing at no one directly.

To me it just seemed like there were people who were content on just following you and letting you tell them who to think was scum. And it resulted in a townie getting lynched for not that strong of reasons. And that isn't good at this point in the game.

I don't want to lynch you, because at least you're trying to be helpful. I just don't want people to follow you blindly. That's dangerous.

[cntrational]

Personally, looking at a choice between Vieto and myrrh, I'd pick Vieto, he seems more scummy at the moment...

Thinking about independents...Serial Killer is obviously there, and since we have at least two, I think they might be Survivor or a Jester (The latter seems unlikely, but still possible)

As for cult, I'm not sure, perhaps myrrh, but I can't be sure on that.

Mafia are probably 1 or two members left.

[michaelandjimi]

From what I understand.
Tigerlion's dead.
As is as well.
And Cnt was investigated as Town.
But you can confirm these for me.
I think Istrom died and was announced, but I'm going to check,
and Amy may not want to keep his role constant just because she wants us on our toes,
but that's her choice.

The mod said there were 5 Vanilla at the beginning. Tigerlion, Asmo and Istrom were killed, and revealed as vanilla. So they are definite.

CntRational claimed ND middle of page 10. Then the mod said that an ND had been bred with a Holland Lop and he said that it was him and Jesse and told things in minute detail regarding the occurrence. Nobody has counterclaimed and it was just a little too elaborate to be making it up, so he's pretty much confirmed. Unless Vieto or Myrrh want to counterclaim?

Leaving one spot for Vieto or Myrrh from the beginning.

Istrom was replaced midday, and Amy specifically said Une took over his role, so that doesn't prove anything, even if he was present at the beginning of the game.

Istrom was modkilled then brought back and turned into Une.

CF hasn't really attacked me in that last post, so I'm not going to respond beyond this.

CntRational, I trust you. Why do you think Vieto is scummier?

[Vieto]

CntRational claimed ND middle of page 10. Then the mod said that an ND had been bred with a Holland Lop and he said that it was him and Jesse and told things in minute detail regarding the occurrence. Nobody has counterclaimed and it was just a little too elaborate to be making it up, so he's pretty much confirmed. Unless Vieto or Myrrh want to counterclaim?

First off, wouldn't claiming a powerful role normally get you killed by the mafia? Its an accident waiting to happen! As for elaborate... I think the Ootd episode in day 1 shows what elaborate can do. While he wasn't mafia, who says that the mafia aren't going to try the same trick?

Cnt, I think you said your power occurred every other night? I can't find the post specifically, but I think it's on odd days, right?

If you have your lie detection thing tonight, I think you would benefit from this:

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-for the lie detector-
I am mafia
-for the lie detector-

[myrrh7x]

Alright, found the post about Istrom.
Also found that since Cnt's breeding is a mod-related action, we have no idea what possibly could've happened, and in reality, Cnt can just do whatever he pleased with it.
I don't really find this the case, but just because it's specific doesn't mean it's true.
Anyhow, I claimed ND before I noticed there was a role list, believe me or not, but I can't vouch for Vieto in this matter.

[une see]

Sorry about the lack of posting. Been busy.

I don't know about the whole breeding with Holland Lop business, but the reason I am almost certain Cnt is a Netherland Dwarf due to something he said about the flavor text in his role PM. So yes, either myrrh or Vieto is lying.

[Vieto]

Anyhow, I claimed ND before I noticed there was a role list, believe me or not, but I can't vouch for Vieto in this matter.

that makes 2 of us.

[cntrational]

Unfortunately, the lie detector was only for last night, I don't think it can be used again.

Veito being scummy is just what my intuition is telling me, but I'm not 100% sure on that.

A few more details on what Sungura told me: Me and Jesse created a mixed breed with one ear up and one ear down (Not exactly sure what this means, I'm just paraphrasing what she said) that somehow looks like a antennae ear, and it would ping if the sentence was a lie and it wouldn't work on compound sentences.

Seems like flavor text to me, but it might help in some way, so I'm posting this.

[michaelandjimi]

First off, wouldn't claiming a powerful role normally get you killed by the mafia? Its an accident waiting to happen! As for elaborate... I think the Ootd episode in day 1 shows what elaborate can do. While he wasn't mafia, who says that the mafia aren't going to try the same trick?

Vanilla isn't themost powerful of roles, to be honest...

What you said actually backs up my point. OOTD had an elaborate concocted role, and it turned out to be true. Most people just aren't that creative. CntRational is probably telling the truth. Also:

the reason I am almost certain Cnt is a Netherland Dwarf due to something he said about the flavor text in his role PM.

[Vieto]

What you said actually backs up my point. OOTD had an elaborate concocted role, and it turned out to be true.

Half-truth, and lied about his win condition.

Also, why would Sungura give out a role with only a one-shot truth-lie detector, when at the same time, there is a recruiting mafia, a SK, and a clone-kill-win-become townie role? It seems disproportionate, IMO.

Fos: Cnt

[michaelandjimi]

Cnt is a Netherland Dwarf. The one-shot (two-shot, really, if Jesse had survived) lie detector was one of those random additions to the game.

[une see]

Um, when I said I trusted Cnt's roleclaim because of something he said about the flavor text in his role PM, I meant way back when he originally roleclaimed Netherland Dwarf. I wasn't talking about his most recent roleclaim.

I am also a ND, they are vanilla townies (Though, because of a slight misunderstanding with flavor text. I temporarily thought I was a cop, but I'm just a regular townie)

The Netherland Dwarfs that are left in this game will know what I'm talking about, and why I trust Cnt's roleclaim.

[myrrh7x]

I didn't think my role was cop mainly because Amy said I didn't get investigations. =/

Are we allowed to quote word for word what we got in our PMs?

[Sungura]

No you are not, myrrh. And CntR - your "paraphrase" about the breeding was a little to close to "quote" for my taste so watch it, okay?

[myrrh7x]

Better safe then sorry.
In short my pm gave the characteristics of NDs, then said I didn't have investigations. =/

[cntrational]

Sorry about that, Sungura, will keep that in mind.

Spoiler:

But you just confirmed that I wasn't lying about the lie detector and stuff. >_>

[Sungura]

Sorry about that, Sungura, will keep that in mind.

Spoiler:

But you just confirmed that I wasn't lying about the lie detector and stuff. >_>

Spoiler:

Not at all, I said it was too close to being a quote. For all they know you changed a few key words but other than that it is a quote.

[myrrh7x]

We can see you whispering
It's fair game, out in the open.

[Sungura]

[michaelandjimi]

Regardless, it confirms that CntRational was one of the two who were cloned, regardless of whether he lied about the effect. Given that both breeds were pro-town, I doubt he would lie. Following from that, it is very likely that, as he claims, he is ND.

Anyway, we have to pick between Myrrh and Vieto for now.

[cntrational]

I'll go with Veito

Vote: Veito

If it fails, we can go with somebody else tomorrow.

[michaelandjimi]

Bumping thread so people actually post. It's not like I can really respond to the above post and I'm getting bored.

[Vieto]

I'll go with Veito

Vote: Veito

If it fails, we can go with somebody else tomorrow.

you misspelt my name!

[cntrational]

I'll go with Veito

Vote: Veito

If it fails, we can go with somebody else tomorrow.

you misspelt my name!

I misspell your name nearly all the time <_<

[Sungura]

Votals:
(1) Vieto

Deadline for Day 5 will be...hmm...let's say the 28th at 5:00pm EST.

[Vieto]

I'll go with Veito

Vote: Veito

If it fails, we can go with somebody else tomorrow.

you misspelt my name!

I misspell your name nearly all the time <_<

I'm a light reader, I tend not to really notice these things. However, now that I've reread the past few posts to see that you have been, indeed, been misspelling my name...

... not that I haven't been guilty of doing some of this also, but after reading every single one of CNT's posts, he hasn't been putting much useful content, and seems to be posting to be avoiding lurking. His posts consist of:
-voting someone who people have already decided are potentially guilty (providing no other reason other than intuition and reasons that others came up with to back up your arguements. After reading all your posts, I haven't seen one creative post, but that may be because I'm a light reader. If I'm not mistaken, you bandwagoned on Ootd when it was popular, bandwagoned on Asmodious when it was already decided that he was going to be lynched, though he did turn out to be mafia, that is besides the point. Finally, you are choosing between me and myrrhx, using only 'intuition' and not providing any really firm reasons for or against me and Myrrhx.
-Sniffing... Ootd (only sucessful sniff), Ootd again, and Mega, even after Sungura said that there was to be no more sniffing. basically, content-less posts to make it appear like you are being helpful, when in fact you are just trying to avoid lurking.
-using your 'one-shot' scan to see if someone was forced to vote a certain way. I think we can agree that it says nothing about anyone's alignment, and appears to be a wasted. We still don't know kell's alignment. If i had a scan, I would have used it where the 'sniffs' were being posted, on the part of the post specifying if someone was innocent or guilty, possibly highlighting, say:

Code: Select all

I got [u]"Scum" for MaJ.[/u] But get can't lynch him today. :/

or

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I got [u]town on myself[/u], but of course, that's not the best kind of claim. =/

these would have gotten a definite alignment, and would have helped the town greatly.

In anycase, I'm going on vacation for a week tomorrow anyways. If I'm lucky, I'll be on a little tomorrow morning, but other than that, I'll likely have no internet for a week.

At the risk of appearing omgus, and at people potentially pointing out possible incorrect names/event orders in my arguments

Vote CNT

Amy, how many people is it to lynch? Also, can you specify how many scum are left?

[Vieto]

Maybe I should have used quotes instead of code boxes. oh well.

[cntrational]

Well, I'm not a person who speaks/types much, and I try not to make mistakes that could get me lynched, but I'll probably drop the latter after I get more experience at this.

Though, you make a point on the lie detector, I messed up badly there.

Though, it seems suspicious that you would vote for somebody who is practically confirmed as a townie, just because he seems to be playing bad, especially at the end game, where we could be one wrong decision away from a town loss.

[Sungura]

Votals:
1 - Vieto (CntR)
1 - CntR (Vieto)

I will not say how many of what are left, you have those hints already.

Myrrh7x has been modkilled. He knows what he did (or rather, did not do).

There are now six players remaining, 4 to lynch. Or whoever has the most votes by 5:00pm EST on Sunday the 28th.

[cntrational]

...myrrh died?

Well, that seems to make Vieto the most suspicious person left...

[Vieto]

You know, I was going to save my roleclaim until tomorrow. To be honest, I have nothing to lose, but Christmas vacation plans make me forced to do otherwise. I'll leave it up to you guys to decide whether to believe me or not, but in all honesty, I'm not going to be alive in wabbits day 6, no matter how the wind blows. What bugs me the most is that I misread the pm I was given, so I thought I was the breed CNT roleclaimed, which Is why I was so sure he was lying. I must start by offering my apoligies to Cnt.

unvote CNT

now for my roleclaim. On pg. 11, 2nd post down, Marslyr was modkilled, and I was given his role. He was a French Angora. As the new French Angora, I'm able to force people to say stuff on odd nights, and do a lie-detection on even nights, with the exception of N2, where I could do both.

That night, I lie detected Felltir's cop of Ootd, where I was told that he did, indeed, cop Ootd, confirming his innocence. I proceeded to, under the Alibi of "the spider bunny", force Kells to relay this information.

On Night 3, I forced Myrrh7x to claim to be mafia, so I could lie-detect him. You can see what happened to him.

On night 4, I lie-detected CF's claim that his sniff of MaJ came out mafia. I was told that CF did indeed get Mafia for MaJ, and MaJ was not Mafia, which meant he was innocent.

and here we are.

[Sungura]

Votals:
1 Vieto (CntR)

[michaelandjimi]

I assume we shan't get the alignment of Myrrh until the morning?

Even though your analysis of him may or may not be correct (I didn't read it to be honest), I am extremely confident CntRational is town.

By my count, we still have at least one independent, maybe one Mafia if Myrrh wasn't one.

Living players:
MaJ
CntRational
Vieto
Megatriorchis
crucialityfactor
Une See

I'm not going to lynch myself. Cnt I trust. The rest of you are fair game, I guess. I will eventually look through your stuff.

Une See has said some stuff about the ND role PM, leaving me to believe she's probably pro-town. However, I'm not completely sure about that - she may be being sneaky.

Mega's lurking heaps, was accused by Overbored, as good a target as any.

CF I'll have to look at.

I'm not going to vote (or continue to refrain from voting) for Vieto until the mod answer my semi-question.

[Sungura]

Technically, he should have been killed after yesterday ended, so the alignment should have come this morning. I see no reason why I shouldn't say, therefore. I just didn't think of it before, and I was a bad mod for missing that he did not do as he was supposed to.

So...since you asked.

Myrrh was a Netherland Dwarf (town).

(I'm sorry for being a scatterbrain when I posted earlier )

[myrrh7x]

Wait what?
I go away for some time, and I get modkilled O.o