Crius wrote:The Sun Crusher is currently canon, so I don't think you can argue whether it exists.
I'm arguing whether it's canon. By the rules of SW canon, there's good reason to suspect it may not be.
Crius wrote:Your time travel argument is based on the assumption that the battle is being waged in the SW universe, or some sort of merged universe (which gets even more confusing when you throw time travel into the mix). Also, to the best of my knowledge, time travel in ST is limited to relatively small jumps (a few hundred years or so) with individual ships. What you're proposing is a jump of thousands of years, and may require a fleet.
There are also rather obvious workarounds to these problems:
1. According to Star Wars, the films take place "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away". Which implies that, while ST takes place in (essentially) our universe, SW also takes place in our universe, albeit in a setting rather distant from ours in both time and space.
2. If there is a merged universe, there will nonetheless be some way the ST forces can rig the system, so to speak, if they can go back in time and affect that region of space prior to the entry of the SW forces.
3. There's no fundamental reason why multiple ships cannot exploit the same method of time travel together: many of them (slingshot method, engine implosion) would have little effect if multiple ships did it all at the same time, while others (traveling through temporal anomalies as per "Yesterday's Enterprise", "Parallels", and "Star Trek: First Contact") have been done with multiple ships before.
Crius wrote:You'd need to gather the proper military intellegence to do what you're proposing as well. I'd assume that the ST universe will not know the history of the SW universe, and wouldn't know either the time period to jump to, nor which planet (out of billions) to attack.
That would only require capturing a single reasonably educated individual in the SW universe and imposing a mind meld, though I would argue this is unnecessary if you have a thorough enough plan of attack. (A Borg incursion, for instance, against a pre-hyperspace/pre-warp Star Wars universe would eventually, virally, enslave the whole universe from a single cube discovering a single inhabited planet, if done early enough.)
hideki101 wrote:Actually, it seems that Star Trek takes the "Many Worlds" timeline view of the universe.
With the exception of the latest movie, it really, really, really doesn't. There's always a moral imperative to saving the
The fact that the cast of Star Trek (pretty much regardless of season) meet alternate universe versions of themselves seems to support the following of the Many Worlds interpretation.
Let's enumerate these:
1. The Mirror Universe (of the bearded Spock) is never established to have been created by time travel, or indeed any single counterfactual.
2. The multiple universes in Parallels (including the Crazy Captain Riker's "The Borg Won" Universe) seems to be a version of a *quantum* many-worlds, or a David Lewis-style modal realism model. It is fully compatible with the idea that time travel merely changes the facts about a single timeline rather than forking timelines.
3. There is no indication that the alternate universe in "The Alternative Factor" (TOS) was created by time travel.
In episodes like "Yesterday's Enterprise", we see things like the Enterprise-D, her bridge and her crew suddenly change before our eyes as soon as some historical fact is changed, such as the escape of the Enterprise-C from the battle at Narendra III. This certainly implies a single-timeline interpretation, even if an "alternate" version of events is shown.
the Star Wars universe seems to take a Copenhagen approach to time: Jacen sent a message to Leia in the future, locking down the fact that Leia had to be at that point in space at the time in the future he sent the message to. Luke is admittedly disturbed at that notion.
So does Star Trek: Bashir is well aware of predestination paradoxes ("Trials and Tribble-ations" (DS9)) and Captain Picard creates one ("All Good Things" (TNG)) with tachyon pulses using the main deflector dish. So does Scotty, by giving an Earth scientist the formula for transparent aluminum.
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