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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies

Postby Margi » Sat May 02, 2009 8:23 am UTC

Vote: Mollusk

I'm tired of having this ping-pong game of whether we should lynch him or not. Plus my previous reasons listed when I Fos'd him.

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies

Postby Master_Rahl22 » Sat May 02, 2009 3:45 pm UTC

Well, I agree with Korora that we're not short on suspects, I was just bringing up the topic of sacrificing VO for discussion. In fact I can get behind a lynch of Mollusk.

Vote: Mollusk

That puts him at 4 out of 5. I think we should wait to hammer to give him a chance to incriminate defend himself one more time.
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies

Postby Kipper » Sat May 02, 2009 3:46 pm UTC

Humans truly are blind....
Vote: Mollusk
But I will make you see!
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Postby MartinW » Sat May 02, 2009 7:43 pm UTC

Before midday the town already decided who to kill. This was a problem, luckily they spent the rest of the day arguing how to lynch him without the gallows. Eventually they decided to simply throw him out of the cave mouth.
It wasn't long before Kipper was standing behind Mollusk and asked "Any last words?"
"Bwahahahahahaha! WHEEEEEEEEEEE!!! Bouncy Molluksy drop soon! The fall is your Mollusk!" he responded.
"Any sane last words?"
"..."
Kipper pushed him over the edge and and watched as he started the very long fall to the bottom. While cackling madly and falling Mollusk pulled a funny pointy hat, with bells on the points, from his pocket and put it on. It looked like the kind jesters used to wear. Just as the ground was coming close he shouted "Wheee! I win!"


Mollusk is lynched, he was a Jester.

It is now night 2. 36 hour time limit.

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies

Postby MartinW » Mon May 04, 2009 9:38 am UTC

The town woke to notice a distinct lack of horrible screams. This was because they had all overslept and missed them. After waking up some more they all noticed something, Jar O' Jam was missing. They find him in his sleeping bag, stabbed in his sleep. The usual symbol was cut into the sleeping bag.

They notice some interesting books next to his bed: A Beginners Guide to Nursing, a thick book about correct protocol for dealing with patients and the Nurse's Weekly Magazine.


Jar O' Jam is dead, he was the nurse. He would have taken over a doctor's job had one died.

It is now day 3!

7 Alive, 4 to lynch.

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Margi » Mon May 04, 2009 10:22 am UTC

Oh dear, poor Jar :(

Excuse me if I'm a bit useless, but what is a Jester's alliance? I haven't played mafia in a while and I can't remember if a Jester is a bastard role or not, and whether he would be scum, town or neither.

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Jar'O'Jam » Mon May 04, 2009 10:53 am UTC

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Kipper » Mon May 04, 2009 11:36 am UTC

Now will the puny people listen to FACT?
Vote: VO
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby MartinW » Mon May 04, 2009 12:05 pm UTC

Margi wrote:Oh dear, poor Jar :(

Excuse me if I'm a bit useless, but what is a Jester's alliance? I haven't played mafia in a while and I can't remember if a Jester is a bastard role or not, and whether he would be scum, town or neither.

A Jester is neither. It is a third-party role which wins by being lynched.

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby velvet_octopus » Mon May 04, 2009 1:40 pm UTC

Kipper wrote:Now will the puny people listen to FACT?
Vote: VO


Well, I can see where this is going. All I have to say is, I was lead to believe that I am town, but kill me if you must. Since no one else seems scummy thus far, I wouldn't be surprised if I were killing people in my sleep and didn't know.
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Margi » Mon May 04, 2009 1:45 pm UTC

I'm well on my way to read Kipper's posts like daily weather forecasts.

Vote: VO

Let's see if you're right twice in a row

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby frogman » Mon May 04, 2009 2:21 pm UTC

I would vote VO, but that would be third vote in a row.

Bah! You puny creatures can't do anything to me! I'm above your silly rules!

Vote: VO
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Master_Rahl22 » Mon May 04, 2009 6:23 pm UTC

I am willing to lynch VO, but I don't want to hammer in the 8th post of the day. I'd at least like some more people to check in besides all of us just following Kipper blindly. It may be that he really is what he seems to be, but I'm not discounting the possibility that he threw one scum under the bus and got lucky with Mollusk.
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby velvet_octopus » Mon May 04, 2009 7:19 pm UTC

Kipper . . . are you Renfield?
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Kipper » Mon May 04, 2009 7:25 pm UTC

Hahahahaha, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
You DARE to defy the DATA?
Grasping at straws, TRULY the human spirit is stubborn...
My theory is flawless, the DATA IS SUPREME, DIE VO DIE.
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Vieto » Mon May 04, 2009 8:43 pm UTC

Heheheheheh!!!!

Kipper, I hope you're right, as tomorrow is lylo if you aren't.

Vote: VO

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby velvet_octopus » Mon May 04, 2009 9:00 pm UTC

I would have fought it if I had thought it would do any good. *angst*
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Vieto » Mon May 04, 2009 9:14 pm UTC

VO, you should have still given something in you're defense. It is better for the town in the long run, and it may have even saved you.

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby velvet_octopus » Mon May 04, 2009 9:41 pm UTC

What should I say? I've already said that I was town, that I have nightmares, that I believe the allegations against me are completely possible in a bastard game, and that it's probably better for the town to know for sure if they can trust Kipper than to keep someone who seems to be scum alive when no one else seems scummy (since we've already lynched Brook and mollusk). Seriously, if it were someone else, I would have lynched them myself. I don't actually believe that keeping myself alive is better for the town than hard information. Everyone who is voting to kill me is apparently doing a trust-test on Kipper, which is completely necessary.

Oh, but after I'm dead - take a good look at the bandwagon, people.
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby MartinW » Tue May 05, 2009 5:48 am UTC

They town quickly gang up on VO and soon there's a majority. As they put her on the newly repaired gallows Vieto asks "Any last words?"
"I am innocent, I have not done anything! Unless I'm killing people in my sleep?" VO says.

Vieto pulls the lever and they all go to look at VO's sleeping bag. Inside the bag was nothing, under it was an ancient stone knife, with a rather cultic look. Also lots of mystery novels and How to Frame Someone 101.

The town all slept peacefully and woke up at 6, expecting horrible screams, but there didn't come any. They all looked at each other, and, strange enough, they were all there. But still, there must be someone bad alive!


VO is lynched, she killed people in her sleep and framed a cult.

It is now day 4. 6 players, 4 to lynch.

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Margi » Tue May 05, 2009 7:05 am UTC

Well, Kipper was right, again. Even if VO did do the killing in her sleep, she was a threat to the town.

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby velvet_octopus » Tue May 05, 2009 1:43 pm UTC

*dies*
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby korora » Tue May 05, 2009 3:21 pm UTC

Argh. I tried to post this 8 hours ago and the site went down:

I'm a little suspicious that the twist here is we have to no-lynch to actually end the game and win. Given my track record with people who suggest no-lynch, the idea is creating no small measure of cognitive dissonance.

However, there appear to have been no night actions, so I'm not sure how skipping a lynch could really hurt us. Thoughts?
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby frogman » Wed May 06, 2009 2:13 am UTC

I'm all for it. It certainly makes sense to me.

Vote: No lynch
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Margi » Wed May 06, 2009 7:50 am UTC

I don't think I really agree with that one. . . but will look through the posts again, maybe there is substance to a theory like that.

Plus I'd like to hear from the rest of the players first, especially those who have been a bit quiet. And also, of course, the ever-correct Kipper.

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby MartinW » Wed May 06, 2009 8:52 am UTC

In the interest of saving time: if the town (or another side) had won the game would have ended. No need to vote no-lynch.

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby frogman » Wed May 06, 2009 2:17 pm UTC

Ah. Fine then.

Vote: No lynch
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Kipper » Wed May 06, 2009 2:20 pm UTC

Vote: Frogman
Amy: (11:06:09 PM) ***Amy huggles Kipper
Amy: (11:06:13 PM) Amy: Leave my fishy alone.

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Margi » Wed May 06, 2009 4:36 pm UTC

I don't like jumping on the bandwagon too quickly, but really Frog, voting no-lynch when its not going to get us anywhere? Plus a lack of real contribution to the game. . . Also, I said I wouldn't doubt Kipper again. Vote: Frogman

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby korora » Wed May 06, 2009 6:00 pm UTC

Before we killed VO, she brought up a good question. Kipper may be Renfield. If Kipper were Renfield, he'd probably know Dracula's identity from the start. That would explain how he knew that Brook was scum, and then he could have just figured out that VO was scum, too, or gotten lucky. Renfield also makes sense for someone who is scum-aligned but has no kill.

In any case, following anyone blindly is always a bad idea in Mafia. Honestly, it looks like an excuse to lynch someone without taking the blame if you're wrong, because you "promised" you'd follow Kipper this time around.

I think frogman's more recent vote was intended to be an unvote, but I can't actually be sure.
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby frogman » Wed May 06, 2009 11:13 pm UTC

Oops, sorry, I typed "Vote" instead of "Unvote".

Unvote: No lynch
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Kipper » Wed May 06, 2009 11:16 pm UTC

Is my theory truly possible among such flawed creatures?
Unvote
Vote: Korora
Not enough DATA!
The most FLAWED must DIE!
MY THEORY WILL BE COMPLETE!
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Master_Rahl22 » Thu May 07, 2009 12:59 am UTC

Damn I'm good. Sorry, just had to say that. :D

I'm tempted to agree with Korora. I read the Wikipedia entry on Renfield, and it would seem like Kipper is following that. Mostly crazy, betrays at least one scum. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Kipper was a lyncher, and possibly independent aligned at that. Mollusk was indeed acting scummy since he was a jester and wanted to get lynched, and VO brought up two days in a row that maybe we should lynch her. I could easily see somebody with no actual knowledge but some experience and good guessing leading us to believe they are a cop.

I'm tempted to test this theory by lynching Kipper tonight. Since there was no night kill last night, it would seem that we've gotten the last of the mafia, but that we still have some other anti-town faction around. If in fact Kipper is Renfield, it would make sense for him to be independent and need to survive to win. Thoughts?
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby frogman » Thu May 07, 2009 1:25 am UTC

I think a survivor would win with the remaining faction, not by himself. It would be rather SK-ish otherwise.
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Master_Rahl22 » Thu May 07, 2009 5:56 pm UTC

True, frogman, I hadn't thought of that.

Is it possible that we have a cult around then? We know that VO was framing a cult, meaning it's possible that a cult actually exists in the game although with it being a bastard mod, who knows. I think I'm still in favor of lynching Kipper today.
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Margi » Thu May 07, 2009 6:37 pm UTC

For the sake of organizing my own thoughts and assisting our discussion:

Alive:
Kipper
korora
Master_Rahl22
Vieto
Frogman
Margi

Dead:
Rakysh (town, killed by mystery object)
Brook (was Edvurd the vampire, killed by van Helsing)
Mega (van Helsing, killed after Brook's death)
Mollusk (Jester, lynched by town)
Jar O'Jam (Nurse, killed after the lynch of Mollusk)
VO (Lynched - was an unknowing in-her-sleep killer)

Six dead, six alive then. But only two sum dead, if VO is included. Three town and town-alliances dead (Rakysh, van Helsing, JarO'Jam)

Ok, now I take note of arguments against following Kipper, and I agree that we need to be careful of a "Renfield" situation. I'll unvote Frog, not only because I'm being chided for doing so, but looking back at the posts, he did vote for VO. Scum probably wouldn't, as VO was an asset, doing all the dirty work for them.
Neither Master_Rahl nor Korora (please correct me if I'm wrong, I sped through the posts to make sure) voted for her in this round.The others (Frogman, Vieto, korora and myself) did vote for her.
I'm not really suspicious of Korora, she helped to lynch Brook, and was quite persistent about it. Master_Rahl also voted Brook. Which would excuse them from suspicion (unless there is a bastard-trick to this of course).

I'm starting to agree with Master_Rahl for lynch of Kipper tonight, but would first like to hear from the rest of the group before starting a bandwagon. In the meantime:

Fos: Kipper

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Kipper » Thu May 07, 2009 7:50 pm UTC

Meh, I'm done roleplaying.
Yes, I've been acting all along. It's quite fun :D
However, everything I've given is sound advice, and as Korora said, you could get the gist of everything I was saying.
I am not Renfield, I am a theorist collecting data.
Oh, and I'd advice you not to lynch me, you would sincerely regret it.
I voted Korora for stating the obvious then reinforcing the idea of Renfield.
Oh, and that transfers to a suspicious of MR btw.
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Margi » Thu May 07, 2009 9:07 pm UTC

Finally! Normal posting. Whoop-whoop for Kipper :D
Now I predict some fiery conversation coming up, things ought to get mighty interesting.

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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Kipper » Thu May 07, 2009 9:09 pm UTC

You really have nothing to say on the fact I'm suddenly posting normally other than "yay"?
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Re: Mini: Bastard Bulldog Butterflies - Day 3

Postby Master_Rahl22 » Thu May 07, 2009 9:27 pm UTC

I have to say that now that Kipper is now posting normally, it makes it much less likely that he actually is Renfield, although I've seen roles where they get extra abilities if and only if they posted in a certain way on the day before.

As to your suspicion of me Kipper, did you read the wikipedia entry on Renfield? If you are him, then with a little bit of luck you could've done all you've done without being pro-town at all, and yet set yourself up as the one member we can't do without. That what certainly all I was trying to point out.

I think it's time for some straight answers from Kipper. Did you have more than just a hunch/analysis to point to Brooklynxman and VO as scum?
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