Supermegacrazymayhem! - Game over - Cult wins!

[Brooklynxman]

Oh and if Silk dies from lan's kill, I target someone else, keeping the town in the mix.

I don't like discussing kills beforehand, but as I think me and lan are the only ones left, I seem uncultable and lan prolly is too (or they are unable to recruit) it seems to me that the lynch is the only way cult can really hurt us.

[Brooklynxman]

EBWOP: Which is to say if cult cant recruit and cant kill me or lan, then discussing our kills beforehand is safe.

[ameretrifle]

If "bulletproof" means "unlynchable" too, sure, what the hell. Not sure he'd have both, though, even in this game. What am I saying, especially in this game. Which means if we want to test his claim via violence, it'll have to wait until tomorrow, most likely. Since it's your kill, I'll leave that decision up to you. Unless he does claim unlynchable, I don't think I'm convinced to vote adacore today. I guess I could be persuaded, but... well... my mommy taught me to be very careful when talking to strange were-raptors. >.>

[velvet_octopus]

Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait!

I've been gone all day but I think it's finally time to role claim. I am a super hero, and I was with Rakysh and Vieto before they died. I haven't said anything yet because I have a doctor that protects from everything evil (not lynching). The reason I put the hat on Lanicita on day 3 was because I had already used my protect on her earlier that day (the day before irl), so I didn't think anything bad could happen, so I am very surprised that she became independent again (perhaps the mods didn't consider that "evil"?)

So up until now I've been keeping my mouth very very shut, as a doctor. This has been inconvenient because way back when Vieto died, I inherited his role-cop. But it doesn't work unless someone votes for me. I don't know who it should be, but we certainly have some likely candidates.

As a super-hero, I am immune to recruitment. I have protected Brook for the last two days so I'm sure he's still town. The Lani situation seems really weird, but maybe it's because I was the one who gave her the hat ??

Anyway, we have reached the point that my information is needed, and frankly, I'm shocked that I have survived so long. So if the cult have a kill, then I'm toast, but I can't be recruited so if not I am a great asset.

(So anyway, that's how I knew about Vieto's rolecop in the first place, in case you were wondering.)

Anyone getting weird vibes off me is actually semi-intentional -- I figure the best strategy is to seem ever-so-slightly suspect so that the scum don't kill me outright (as I could be misleading later). But basically, it's been sooo hard not to claim the role-cop, because I haven't been able to use it!! I though I would wait until someone voted for me but at this point I think the chance of dying (and thus losing the doctor) is necessary for the possible information, and at this point I've probably been as helpful as I could be anyway.

[ameretrifle]

Okay... that... makes sense, I think... okay, I believe you for now. I'd honestly most like to know what silknor's role is, but good luck getting HIM here to vote for you. IF YOU ARE OUT THERE DO SO NOW. So, we could try and confirm adacore or lanicita's story... though... I'm almost not sure what that would tell us. I guess we'd know if adacore started out cult or not, but vieto's track record on alignment was decidedly iffy... Same with lanicita. I guess it's up to you, unless someone wants to volunteer. Well, given the nature of the rolecop, someone would have to volunteer, wouldn't they?

Process of elimination... we know we have a dragon out there, and a cult... we have, what, seven players left? And there's been several superheroes in this game-- if they're all immune to recruitment, maybe the cult's just had a bad run of luck. Which would mean other players could be cult. Crap, I hope not. But out of sheer numbers, I'm really starting to doubt silknor's town. Either way, with seven players left, and certain roles we know exist, this shouldn't be too hard to run down...

[Brooklynxman]

amt- town - ??
Brook - town - vig
vo - town - superhero = doctor/rolecop
lan - independant - were-raptor = survivalist, killer of townies
silknor - ??? - LURKER
Ada - claimed town - claimed unkillable
Kells - ??? - LURKER

Kells and silk are our prime targets here, although lan and ada don't look so great either.

Assuming amt, vo, and I are town (I swear amt if you arent you and vo go in the same boat of never being trus....WAIT A MINUTE VO DAMM YOU!)

jk, seriously though, right now I think we have to assume atleast us 3 are town, and maybe ada, and lan independant, and the lurkers gone.

mods, can we pyhsically track down and lynch the lurkers irl?

[Brooklynxman]

Revised: I trust ada the least of the non-lurkers

Just saying

[Adacore]

To answer some of the questions posed, there was nothing in my role about being unrecruitable and I can be lynched, I'm just immune to daykills. Given the roles currently claimed are reasonably believable, I guess that leaves my suspicion on Kells and Silknor for the remaining cultist(s). As I got a slightly scummy read from Silknor when I went through his posts, he's the logical pick.

vote: Silknor

[velvet_octopus]

So, do we have someone I can use the role-cop on? If they refuse to vote for me to try it, we'll know they're scum . . .

[ameretrifle]

Well... like I said, I really want to know silknor's role, but he's not bloody here... same goes for kells... which leaves the other four of us that are here: me, Lani, Adacore, and Brook. I'm willing to vote you if you want. Can it be anyone who's voted for you all day? Because then we could all vote/unvote you in the same post, so there's no risk of accidentally lynching you, and you could pick whichever person you want.

Honestly, after reading that last flavortext, I'm pretty sure I know EXACTLY what Adacore's role is, and if he's cult, he didn't start that way. As for Lanicita, she's CLAIMING were-raptor, and it's hard to imagine why you'd claim that if you weren't. If she has been cult all along, I commend her for her truly epic falseclaiming, because damn. Brook's been acting pro-town enough... I guess he could just be a bold and clever SK, but I don't know whether his role would tell us that anyway. As for me, well, I know my role, and honestly, I'll be kind of surprised if half of you don't, too. Rodan's death was one hell of a red herring, but still...

Given all that, unless something changes very soon, I'm voting Silknor.

[velvet_octopus]

I don't actually know if you have to be currently voting for me or not - I'll pm the mod. The description was in Vieto's role pm, which I haven't read - I was just told that I picked up his investigation bag and have thus inherited his abilities . . .

[ameretrifle]

Well, just in case,

Vote: velvet_octopus

unvote

Vote: Silknor

because I can only stand seeing his name pop up at the bottom of the forum only to mysteriously disappear without word one so many times before I flip the hell out. And with all these believable claims, POE is against him.

Give me ONE SINGLE REASON why I shouldn't. ONE. SOMETHING. ANYTHING. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, MAN. I WANT TO BELIEVE YOU. GIVE ME SOMETHING. Say you're BUSY, say you're SICK, say SOMETHING!

FUCKING lurking, I swear to god it'll drive me mad someday... five posts in as many days, most on day one... i can't take this shit...

[Silknor]

Hi. I check the forum often because I'm currently modding 2 games, one of which is PM heavy.

Lurkers aren't necessarily scum. Townies lurk too you know, usually because they're busy. Of the time I've had recently to devote to the forum, almost all of it has gone to modding.

Anyway, while lurkers aren't necessarily scum, this one is. I'm a SK supporter (I started out as a mafia supporter, but AS in her infinite squirrelyness took pity on me and said I can still win if the SK wins even though the mafia all died). I don't actually know who the SK is, nor did I know who the mafia is.

I'm also really weak in my abilities. Not only is there 0 chance I can lead the lynch wagon at this point (all I can hope for is you lynch neither me nor the SK), my only power is sending messages to be posted as flavor text (I can also leave messages for the superheroes, supervillians, cult, and mafia). I do come up town on investigations though. So far I've only used my ability to post 2 of the computron messages, "townie convertor" and "more raptors". I was warned not to reveal myself to the mafia, but there was no warning about telling the cult that.

So to substantiate my roleclaim I'm going to do 2 things:
1. Get some flavor text posted: AS has run out of tasty nuts fit for a great squirrel and needs cash to buy more. As a result a $10 dollar levy will be imposed on the phrase "Vote: Silknor" and any similar phrases. Failure to pay promptly will result in mod kill. PM me for my paypal info.
2. Send a message to the remaining cultists, I won't be told who they are though. I'll post the message later after the public message is posted, so the cultists will know who I am. I clearly don't expect them to say they've confirmed my roleclaim though :p

So to sum it up, you probably shouldn't lynch me. Yes, you'll hit a scum, but you'll hit the most useless scum alive. Likewise for trying to kill me, my guess is that as a supporter, if you eliminate all the real scum, endgame will be reached and you won't even have to lynch me. Of course if the SK and Cult dies, I can't win anyway.

Also, the cult should recruit me tonight so that I have a chance to win besides relying on an SK who I don't know. I can't bring much to your cult, but at the very least you're more likely able to recruit me than some others.

[Brooklynxman]

Well, just in case,

Vote: velvet_octopus

unvote

Vote: Silknor

because I can only stand seeing his name pop up at the bottom of the forum only to mysteriously disappear without word one so many times before I flip the hell out. And with all these believable claims, POE is against him.

Give me ONE SINGLE REASON why I shouldn't. ONE. SOMETHING. ANYTHING. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, MAN. I WANT TO BELIEVE YOU. GIVE ME SOMETHING. Say you're BUSY, say you're SICK, say SOMETHING!

FUCKING lurking, I swear to god it'll drive me mad someday... five posts in as many days, most on day one... i can't take this shit...

Im inlcined to agree but will hope (pray) we get someone in here to vote for vo.

[Silknor]

Oh and just to make sure there's no confusion, the "Vote: Silknor" earlier wasn't meant to imply a self vote, so
Unvote.

[ameretrifle]

Thank you very much. I just wish you had mentioned a little of that before, you know? "Oh yeah, I'm getting a little busy with the games I'm modding so I won't be able to post much". That would have been awesome. Instead of disappearing from Day 1 to Day 4. I will accept nearly any excuse. That's why I go a little batty when I get nothing.

Also, I note that despite finally posting, and apparently noticing how much we've been complaining about your lurking, you haven't voted for v_o so we can rolecop you. Yeah, not suspicious at all. Some of your abilities are probably real, because you'd have to be an idiot to fake being able to make flavortext, and you are absolutely not an idiot. Still, at this point, with all the other roleclaims bouncing around, I'm a bit dubious. And even if everything you've said is the absolute truth, lynching you wouldn't be the worst idea in the world.

So I'll think about what you've said. But I am not unvoting yet.

[velvet_octopus]

Just found out that I need a current vote to do the rolecop. Silknor, would you care to back up your claims with a vote, so that I can cop you?

If there is really an SK around, I'm toast. Unless it's actually a very ballsy Brook, in which case, um, if you kill me I won't be protecting you anymore . . .

Or I suppose the SK could be another lurker.

[Silknor]

I had only read the last few posts amere when I made my roleclaim so I didn't know about this rolecop thing. Here you go:

Vote:V_O

Oh and just for reference, my role title is Puppet Master. Though I think it's more accurate to say guy who can pull one string everyone knows about now.

And there better be an SK around, because otherwise both the mod lied to me and I have no chance of winning.

[ameretrifle]

Okay, thanks!

[Silknor]

I'm not sure how my rolecop will come up btw. My original alignment was scum but I came up townie to cops. Now I'd guess I'm an independent who is aligned with the SK, but I'm not really sure. The mod never told me anything about how my role functions with regards to rolecops.

Ameretrifle, if you really think the best lynch target is a powerless SK supporter, go ahead. Granted I'm going to try to not lynch the SK, so I"m not much help to the town in vote counts, but lynching the SK takes me out as a threat entirely. It's a possible LYLO, so I doubt you want to waste your vote on me. But you're welcome anyways :p

[Adacore]

I figure the SK has to be one of Brook or Lani - we would've noticed another killing role by now, surely? Lani's role (even as she described it) sounds like it could well fit a loose definition of SK, and I've never been entirely convinced that Brook is actually a vig and not just a canny SK. Anyway, since Silknor has now appeared, I guess the best option is to switch our focus onto Kells.

unvote
vote: Kellsbells

[Brooklynxman]

Silk I dont have to say Silknor to vote you do I? :p

[lanicita]

Lani's role (even as she described it) sounds like it could well fit a loose definition of SK

Did I not say I'm a were-raptor, which we know is independent?? Why do you keep ignoring that?

Okay, I'm done keeping my thoughts to myself. I have no doubt in my mind now that you, Adacore, are cult. And with AMT defending you so much, coupled with your claim that you're bulletproof, I'm convinced that you're the goggled guy and you've been defending her, making her the other cult. There have to be at least 2 cult left for it to have been LYLO earlier. It must be you two.

I will probably come back and expand on my suspicions later, but I wanted to get this down before people ended up lynching someone else. I think it would be better right now if Adacore would vote v_o, if he wants the suspicion off him, but since I'm 100% sure right now that he's cult, I highly doubt he'll actually do it.

[Brooklynxman]

Interesting lan.....I just noticed you have Colbert in your avatar. This makes me inclined to trust you more.

If amt is anti-town I will be shocked (independant I can deal with), amt has played a hell of a scum game if she is.

So far roleclaimed:
me
lan
silk
ada (sort of no rolename just some (probably not all) powers
vo

Not roleclaimed:
amt
kells


So yeah, amt you should probably claim, and kells you should probably talk.

[AngrySquirrel]

AS has run out of tasty nuts fit for a great squirrel and needs cash to buy more. As a result a $10 dollar levy will be imposed on the phrase "Vote: Silknor" and any similar phrases. Failure to pay promptly will result in mod kill. PM me for my paypal info.

[ameretrifle]

You know, I thought I had already been outed on Day 2. I thought for sure Lanicita had put two and two together. Apparently not... that, or she knows just how much this is likely to screw me over. Just promise me you'll do something useful with this information, okay?

Also, I'm going to do this the long way, to satisfy my dramatic instincts. tl;dr at the end.

Spoiler:

But this is not only the story about a town, it is also a story of love, cursed love, blessed love, love of family, love of friends, and love of strangers you met while doing the laundry. It is also the tale of deception, cults fighting for a better future and envy of those mightier than yourself. It is a tale of bravery and cowardice, good and evil, mad professors and the cursed ones who are a bit too sane for their own good. A tale of life itself and how assumptions might hurt you badly.

I figure this is probably the most important paragraph-- probably describes a lot of roles with perfect accuracy. But like most prophecies, it's likely to only make sense in retrospect. I know I recognise one clause in there as referring to my role, so I'll bet a lot of you guys do too. But those are tales for another time.

There has been an attempt at ameretrifle's life. She was however saved by a man wearing a lab-coat and goggles.

...Dr. Horrible??

+++ Beepbeepbeep! Key-phrase input: I am town:::Computron 6000 LIVING BRAIN triggered +++
+++ Subject data being retrieved... +++
+++ Bloodtype: A+ +++
+++ Mental state: Conflicted+++
+++ Personality: Sweet and kind +++

+++ Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot +++

This one would be me. I'm sure of it. And I think I can partly confirm the theory about bloodtype corresponding to power level, too. I'm about as vanilla as this game comes, myself... but apparently I have friends. <3 I love this town so much right now.

The townies are deep in discussion when a scream is heard. And then a "Haha! Take that you fat lizard!". They run out to see what is happening. Adacore is standing there, smiling widely. With scratch and -bitemarks on his face and body. He strangely enough don't seem to be damaged. "What happened?" one of the townies asks. "It was one of them, whatyoumightcallit, lizards! Or something scientific-like like that! But, I sure showed it who's boss!". Shrugging, the townies take Adacore with them back to continue their lynch-discussion.

Getting it yet? lanicita, I have a hard time believing you didn't catch ANY of that. Didn't I say it before? It's all right there in the flavor, all of it. And after all that, you think Adacore is "goggled guy"?

I am Penny. From Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog. Dr. Horrible protects me from daykills; Captain Hammer would protect me from a lynch. I do not kill myself if either of them dies. I am put at one hell of a disadvantage, similar to Entropy, but if you think I'm going to tell you exactly what that is so the scum can kill me easier... no thank you.

Here's the real difficulty of my role. Captain Hammer and Dr. Horrible? Not huge fans of each other. In fact, I've been told they're trying to kill each other. But they both like me, so either of them can PM me at any time (though they haven't been taking advantage of that much). Which means I have known who both of them are from the beginning... but I want them both alive, if possible (which I doubted from day one), so obviously I couldn't tell them that. Luckily, neither of them ever even bothered asking me if I knew anything, so I never had to lie except by omission...

So there you have it. Either someone's lying, or we don't have any original cultists left. Which would mean someone has been recruited... and I can't tell you who that could be. I can assert that it's not me, but I can't even vouch for the people I know. Do I have to spell out who that is? I'd really rather not, but it's obvious enough already that I might as well.

[Brooklynxman]

Unless I missed something kells hasn't claimed yet.

Thus
Vote: Kells

[velvet_octopus]

I'm going to use the role-cop on Silknor. I know it could help more if I could investigate one of the lurkers, but there seems to be a problem with that , and I don't want to die before being useful at all. Yep.

Unfortunately, I won't get back alignment information, only the role name, so it would be much more useful to use it on someone else, but at least this way, we'll know if he's lying, and anyway, I can use it again tomorrow (if there is at tomorrow).

[Brooklynxman]

I think kells is the only lurker left

And kells is a recruitment magnet

[Adacore]

Thankyou amt! I almost posted a roleclaim yesterday evening, but didn't want to claim for you until things were starting to get really scary. I was never told I could PM you, though - just rechecked my role and it's not there. For most of the game I didn't want Dr Horrible dead - killing him isn't my win condition, although my role PM implies that killing me is his win condition, however I die if you die and he seemed to be doing a sterling job of protecting you.

As you said, I thought the clues were becoming so obvious that everyone must've figured it out by now, but I guess these things always look more obvious when you know about them - in either case, I'm pretty much certain that Dr Horrible would've been able to work it out from the available evidence, which is all that really matters. I was more than a little surprised when AS said all the anti-heroes had been eliminated though - I guess that means Dr Horrible is indep? I think it's unlikely that he's cult, but he might be.

Lani's role (even as she described it) sounds like it could well fit a loose definition of SK

Did I not say I'm a were-raptor, which we know is independent?? Why do you keep ignoring that?

Serial killers are normally independent, at least in the setups I've seen.

[velvet_octopus]

Role-cop returned nothing new, confirmed Silknor's claims. He is the Puppet Master, and can change things like he said, but I didn't get any specifics on what he could do.

From all the other claims, it looks likely to me that Kells is the other cult.

[Silknor]

Now that V_O has checked my claim I can:
Unvote.

And hopefully the others will realize they probably shouldn't vote for a powerless scum. Here's what I sent to the cult:
Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.

[lanicita]

Getting it yet? lanicita, I have a hard time believing you didn't catch ANY of that.

I didn't, actually. I wasn't putting any effort into figuring out if there were a bunch of Dr. Horrible characters lying around. Now I get it, but no, that was 4 subtle hints in a 22-page game, I didn't put it together.

Didn't I say it before? It's all right there in the flavor, all of it. And after all that, you think Adacore is "goggled guy"?

I suppose you're saying he's Captain Hammer then? But if he's Captain Hammer, shouldn't Dr. Horrible have killed him by now? I probably will switch my vote to Kells if your answer makes sense.

[ameretrifle]

I suppose you're saying he's Captain Hammer then? But if he's Captain Hammer, shouldn't Dr. Horrible have killed him by now? I probably will switch my vote to Kells if your answer makes sense.

*sigh* Apparently Kells isn't reading the thread, or I'd think she would have. That flavor made it pretty clear if you knew what you were looking for (which she did). Remember the "Hammer Pants"? Her invention. They told her whether Captain Hammer posted before or after the person she gave them to. Since adacore didn't, and Marzi died pretty quickly, not much came of that. Since then, I haven't heard anything from her... I hate betraying her like this, but at this point, I don't see much choice. And I don't know whether she started town like she said, but either way, at this point, I honestly don't know. I guess I'm just lucky her protecting me is an automatic thing.

I was wondering why Adacore never PMed me, but I figured that made my role easier, really... Probably should've called him anyway, maybe there is something it could've told me. Don't know what, though.

(I need to learn how to better gauge what's obvious... sorry...)

[lanicita]

I don't know. I'm still really dubious. That seems so overpowered, to have a townie that's bulletproof and another townie that's bulletproof and lynchproof. I assume that logically kells would also be lynchproof. How would the scum have ever had a chance? The only problem there is that if you could finish the game with both kells and Adacore alive, they must both be the same alignment.

To give a rundown, I can't believe that v_o would be anything but town because she knew about Vieto's power. Brook could be an SK, but I do think it's more likely he's town-aligned, considering all those scum kills he made. Silknor says he's an SK supporter, which could be another scum that we have to lynch. I am independent (and no, to address your earlier post Adacore, I'm really not an SK). We know we haven't eliminated the cult, because AS hasn't said so yet. But nobody else could be cult.

I still think Adacore is our best bet. I am too sure that he's cult, even if that would have to mean that you and kells are also cult. My vote stays.

[ameretrifle]

...If Kells was unlynchable, she never told me. I find that HIGHLY doubtful. Why on earth would she be? That's not "logical" at all, just symmetrical. Their roles haven't been symmetrical in any other respect; why would they be in that? Also, like I said, I am only bulletproof/lynchproof as long as they're alive.If one of them dies, I am pretty well screwed. It is my luck that neither of them is dead yet. Remember Dedalus and Entropy? It'd be a lot like that, just not exactly.

And I don't know what alignment any of them are or were. I was not told that. I was told who they were, and that they wanted to kill each other, and that I wanted to keep them both alive. I was never told that was possible. It's not a win condition, either; my win conditions are vanilla town. It just makes my chances of not dying horribly a lot better.

Other than that, I agree with you. Except I find you pretty damn suspicious too. You kill townies and there's no reason in hell you couldn't have been culted.

Unvote

[lanicita]

You're not screwed, unless BXM is after you. Who would you suggest we lynch instead, if not you, Adacore, or kells? And, um, not me, I like living. I wasn't recruited, and I'm definitely under the impression that the cult isn't recruiting, considering the different names for each member and the beginning flavor text about "multiple cults fighting" or whatever.

[ameretrifle]

Well, if you think the cult's non-recruiting, which I'm starting to doubt a little at this point... I know for sure Kells started as Dr. Horrible and Adacore as Captain Hammer, so neither of them. I'm Penny, and I'm not cult, so while I can't back that up, I wouldn't recommend lynching me (not that you could at this point). We can be pretty sure that whatever Brook is, it's not cult. Silknor came back as the "Puppet Master", which doesn't fit the naming scheme of the rest of the cult, but I guess you never know. Which leaves v_o and you, I suppose....

...but I'm not convinced anymore that the cult can't recruit. Which is why I'm not sure of anyone at all. You said you started out independent... could I ask what exactly you were before the top-hat infected you? It seems to have slipped my mind, and it's hard to see how it could do any harm, at this point.

[Brooklynxman]

Im thinking we definetly need a mod-prod on kells.

[Adacore]

Im thinking we definetly need a mod-prod on kells.

No no no bad no! Keep her out of here. And preferably dead.