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by **Brooklynxman** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:08 pm UTC

Oh, and a rolename for Entropy as well, given his odd claim.

by **VectorZero** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:46 pm UTC

Unvote
Interesting. I have a few thoughts, which I'll flesh out in a bit.

by **Knightshire** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:51 pm UTC

I agree with brook that Az should give a role name to backup such a claim. I don't think we have seen good reasons yet not to.

by **MasterOfAll** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:54 pm UTC

Azrael001 wrote:I didn't want to do this but...

I know that there is a cult because it is my purpose to hunt them down. I am immune to conversion and I have an investigation which tells me cult or not, it doesn't differentiate between town or scum. The cult in this case is the Ori. I don't have any more information right now, as any previous investigations are potentially no longer valid, and even if they are, it would be foolish to list the so called not cult, and give a list of people to convert. If I find cult tonight I'll let you know.

I'm not saying I don't believe you, but you are saying that you have had an investigation every night but haven't had any success finding cult members? I'm just having a difficult time believing that with all the deaths and now your investigations we haven't seen one trace of the cult. And even if they might have been subsequently culted, I think it would be worthwhile to hear who you investigated each night.

Well, if nothing else, this should at least generate some interesting conversation.

by **mieulium** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:41 am UTC

Interesting. Explain yourself.

by **Azrael001** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:38 am UTC

I am Merlin, enemy of the Ori.

Night one Kells
Night two MoA
Night three Mr K

I don't know why I am not part of the ancients mason group. Perhaps it is because I am a more recent (Not a Greek god (that is, I saw quite a bit of Atlantis and IIRC that was their flavour, my memory is hazy though)) character from myth.

by **mieulium** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:56 am UTC

Wait, I am rather confused. Can someone of stargate proficiency explain?

by **Entropy** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:20 am UTC

Azrael001 wrote:I am Merlin, enemy of the Ori.

Night one Kells
Night two MoA
Night three Mr K

I don't know why I am not part of the ancients mason group. Perhaps it is because I am a more recent (Not a Greek god (that is, I saw quite a bit of Atlantis and IIRC that was their flavour, my memory is hazy though)) character from myth.

Also probably because you are a specific character, as opposed to being an entire race.

I'm hoping you have some sort of protection from being culted, since you now look like a fairly juicy target. Naturally I don't want you to say whether you do or not, but I've got my fingers crossed. Assuming you aren't claiming cop to clear your fellow cult members of course.

Brooklynxman wrote:Oh, and a rolename for Entropy as well, given his odd claim.

I will reveal all when the time comes. That time is not now, and probably will not arrive until after the furlings are dead.

by **MasterOfAll** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:26 am UTC

Umm, Entropy, he already claimed immunity to culting (see underlined portion) . . .

Azrael001 wrote:I didn't want to do this but...

I know that there is a cult because it is my purpose to hunt them down. I am immune to conversion and I have an investigation which tells me cult or not, it doesn't differentiate between town or scum. The cult in this case is the Ori. I don't have any more information right now, as any previous investigations are potentially no longer valid, and even if they are, it would be foolish to list the so called not cult, and give a list of people to convert. If I find cult tonight I'll let you know.

Anyway, I am believing Az's cultcop claim enough to at least unvote him, so . . .

Unvote (Azrael001)

Hmm, I seem to be developing a habit today of believing players innocence after I have voted for them. With that in mind, I am going to . . .

Vote: Willwithskills

And we'll see if he can come up with any reasons for me to unvote. Otherwise, I would be totally okay with people jumping on this bandwagon I'm starting so that this game that seems to be averaging 1 month per game day might actually come to some sort of end at some point.

by **Entropy** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:33 am UTC

MasterOfAll wrote:Umm, Entropy, he already claimed immunity to culting (see underlined portion) . . .

Ah, my bad. Not sure how I missed that.

by **VectorZero** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:39 am UTC

First thoughts: this is exactly what I did, as cult leader Mom in Futuramafia: claimed a hitherto undiscussed character in an attempt to deflect attention when forced to claim.
Second: Stargate Merlin was a Greek god: Moros, god of doom/destruction. Don't know if az's mistake here is in his favour or not.
Thirdly: az has been consistent in discussing cult
Fourth: if ori are cultists, who could they convert, which characters would they be, etc?
Fifth: wiki article on ori says Merlin built a weapon to kill them, and Morgan le Fay fought Adria. Not sure how az's claimed cop fits in here.

Gut feeling: not sure, but worth an
Unvote
at this stage

by **mister k** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:25 am UTC

unvote

If true then we have the most hidingess cult ever (and I still think it would be lylo!), as we're winning I'm willing to hit a potential cult tonight. If no cult are discovered tonight then we can just lynch Az tomorrow. I don't trust this claim at all, simply because its extremely unlikely that we wouldn't have hit cult yet, and Az hadn't found cult yet, and we're not at lylo!

Humm..

Well, I was suspecting wills, so I guess I'd prefer to lynch him. I really don't like the idea of killing a confirmed townie just to try and root out cult.. Urgh. Fine, I don't know....

vote-wills

until someone has a better suggestion. I promise votes for Az if this doesn't yield cult!

by **VectorZero** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:30 am UTC

Honestly I'm still tempted by an az lynch.
The other query I have is re entropy's target: is the traitor likely to be mafia, other anti-town, Indy, otter or duck?

by **mister k** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:00 am UTC

VectorZero wrote:Honestly I'm still tempted by an az lynch.
The other query I have is re entropy's target: is the traitor likely to be mafia, other anti-town, Indy, otter or duck?

Well if Az is mafia then we're in no rush to kill him- we are winning. If his claim happens to be correct (and I am highly dubious), then we are BADLY losing. So it does make sense to test it.

by **Adacore** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:16 am UTC

I really don't trust Az's claim, it's just a bit too convenient. Having said that, I guess I'll follow the popular mood and unvote. If Az is telling the truth, it increases my already significant suspicions of Entropy to the point where I would probably vote, if I were sure I believed Az. Gah - why did this have to get so much more confusing all of a sudden.

unvote

by **Entropy** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:05 pm UTC

Az always claims cop. I think the odds of him actually being a cop are slim. However, I don't think that tells us a thing about his alignment. This is simply the play he likes to use when he feels trapped.

by **rrwoods** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:37 pm UTC

So here's a back-handed roleclaim.

I find it funny that the post immediately following maj's "threatening deadline" should have lynched Azrael, and now that vote is the only one left on him.

by **MasterOfAll** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:48 pm UTC

So, you're saying you have some sort of double vote? I guess that would also explain why the lynch happened 1 vote early on D3. It would also be really interesting if we have for a second day already lynched a player but have moved on in other directions. Maybe someone else's vote doesn't count (I'm just guessing here) so it is a wash, but I guess it is best to check with the mods to be sure.

@mods - should this day have already ended with a lynch of Az?

by **willwithskills** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:56 pm UTC

At least the pressure is off Az now, but it seems to have moved to me. I am not going to defend myself until people actually start giving legitimate reasons why they are voting for me, besides "he's suspicious for vague reasons" or "the game is dying." Plus, how am I supposed to defend myself against comments like those anyway? So yeah, I'm going to save my defense until it is clearer what I have to defend against, or until i'm closer to being lynched.

by **michaelandjimi** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:28 am UTC

MasterOfAll wrote:@mods - should this day have already ended with a lynch of Az?

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

Carry on.

by **mieulium** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:13 am UTC

http://echochamber.me/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=46420&p=1855674#p1855674

by **mister k** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:29 am UTC

hmm, I was hoping MaJ might take the decision away from us. I've been suspicious of wills just for minor pings all game, and then the pairing with az I found highly odd. If Az is correct about the cult, and I find it so overwhelmingly unlikely, then killing him would be a massive mistake, as we are, as mentioned, insanely close to losing if cult exists (indeed, it should be lylo unless the cult are depowered/kept trying to recruit mafia and failed, I suppose).

by **Azrael001** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:31 pm UTC

Tomorrow they'd have five of six votes assuming one recruit a night and assuming that I'm remembering the current situation correctly.

by **Brooklynxman** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:42 pm UTC

Azrael001 wrote:Tomorrow they'd have five of six votes assuming one recruit a night and assuming that I'm remembering the current situation correctly.

Whoch would be a win it would be lylo so they cant have a recruit a night.

by **rrwoods** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:53 pm UTC

I don't believe a cult exists. I'm most certainly leaving my votes where they are.

by **Adacore** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:15 pm UTC

On reflection, I really don't believe Az's claim. I'm not sure about the existence of a cult or not, but if we do have one, and it's gone undetected this long, it's unlikely we can do much about it, especially if, as claimed, it has a recruit every night. Equally, there's no reason to assume that Az is not a member of any potential cult - his roleclaim would make good cover. Ergo, I'm going to reinstate my vote.

vote: Azrael001

Although I'm nowhere near as confident as I'd like to be, and seriously considered both willwithskills and Entropy.

by **VectorZero** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:21 pm UTC

So, in favour of an Az lynch is that we'll know for sure if a cult is present, there are enough inconsistencies in his story to be scummy, and I still don't have a decent alternative candidate. Against is the possibility of lynching a cop/best weapon against cult, which hasn't proven useful so far.

The only issue preventing me from revoting Az is that the cult could easily have a recruit restriction, softening the odds of us having found them and not being at Lylo yet. hmmm

by **michaelandjimi** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:59 am UTC

Deadline: 72 hours from this post.

by **Brooklynxman** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:15 am UTC

Im keeping my vote on Entropy, especially after his rolename dodge. After a claim like that.

Not to mention if Az is right, we are by the balls, if he isn't we can lynch him tomorrow.

by **Entropy** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:42 am UTC

Nice, Brook. I'm pretty sure you just showed me all your cards. I'll have to investigate tonight to be sure though.

by **rrwoods** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:10 am UTC

Huh? I wasn't aware he had any cards to show.

by **Azrael001** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:15 am UTC

Yeah, entropy is looking pretty bad. I don't know what he's talking about.

by **Entropy** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:18 am UTC

Brook has been attacking me continuously since I put my vote on Knightshire. I was hoping my vote would draw out the fourth race, and I'm pretty sure it did.

by **VectorZero** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:52 am UTC

Going back to my earlier question, is the traitor likely to be pro neutral or antitown? Because entropy's going to muddy the waters to get his lynchee done in, and I'm not sure we need that

by **cycoden** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:00 am UTC

moody7277 wrote:So, if the cult started with 1 member, there is a 39% chance we wouldn't have seen a dead cultist yet; with 2 starting cultists it's a 25% probability.

I hate to speak ill of the dead, but this simply isn't true. Why? It assumes the deaths in mafia are random. But as a cult grows, it becomes harder to lynch members of the cult, as their fellow members, presumably would not vote for them. Furthermore, if a cult is able to recruit mafia, the recruited mafia would steer the night kill towards unrecruited townies. When I was an Agent Smith in the Matrix game, this is exactly what happened (although, IIRC we threw une see to the wolves to confuse the hell out of megatriorchis - who was rather upset that her fellow mafiosos had mislead her). One would hope our Moderators provided suitable balancing this time...

mr k earlier wrote:mafia have an unblockable kill
one mafia is one shot unlynchable
one mafia can make people MAFIA SUPPORTERS (unclear if this is one shot or not)
one mafia has a rolecop

mister k wrote:I suspect the balance mafia have had is lots of kills- look at the slaughter house each night.

Huh? This seems to contradict what you said earlier regarding the mafia powers...

Entropy wrote:Assuming you aren't claiming cop to clear your fellow cult members of course.

Except it doesn't clear the people he listed (except Mr K), as they may have been recruited post-investigation.

Entropy wrote:Az always claims cop. I think the odds of him actually being a cop are slim. However, I don't think that tells us a thing about his alignment. This is simply the play he likes to use when he feels trapped.

My lack of faith in Azrael's cop claim in the last mafia game I played caused the town to lose

rrwoods wrote:I don't believe a cult exists. I'm most certainly leaving my votes where they are.

I would be quite surprised to discover that the last few pages of thread have been much ado about nothing...

OK. I'm inclined to believe that a cult exists. I'm somewhat suspicious of Azrael, however the claim makes sense canonically. I agree WWS has been an active lurker and hence is possible scum, but given the likely importance of this lynch I'll review the thread before casting my vote.

by **mister k** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:28 am UTC

Hmm, on reflection if we lynch Az we'll know if a cult exists for sure, while targeting random people is more liable to screw us. We will have lost our cult detector though, so... grr. I'm keeping my vote on wills who I think is fairly scummy. I am fairly confident that entropy is a good guy, I wonder if the 4 races could serve as a faction that could potentially win. Hmmm... I think tactically letting Az live one more night makes more sense, so we shall see.

As for moody's arguments on odds, they also ignored the fact that mafia won't lynch mafia. Cult being able to recruit mafia is not a frequent ability, and I doubt the Ori would be able to do so from their description.

by **Adacore** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:55 pm UTC

VectorZero wrote:Going back to my earlier question, is the traitor likely to be pro neutral or antitown? Because entropy's going to muddy the waters to get his lynchee done in, and I'm not sure we need that

As I said before, I don't recall anything from the canon that would make the Ancients (or the Furlings) anti-town. From a canon point of view, they'd almost certainly be neutral, as they're generally opposed to directly influencing other races. I have no idea if this game would follow the canon, though.

by **Azrael001** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:58 pm UTC

It has been over 24 hours since a post. This is awful. I don't know who to vote for so I'll

Vote: The Cult

by **Brooklynxman** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:05 pm UTC

Entropy wrote:Brook has been attacking me continuously since I put my vote on Knightshire. I was hoping my vote would draw out the fourth race, and I'm pretty sure it did.

And I should unvote you more now because.....?

There is no reason everyone shouldn't be bandwagoning you right now. I don't buy your lyncher claim, especially now you want to lynch 2 of the ancient races. The last 2.

by **mister k** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:52 pm UTC

I'm not sure where the votes stand right now. I'm sticking with wills cause I'm willing to give Az exactly one night- the odds of cult not being hit tonight are rather low, I hope. Also, if we don't hit cult tonight it'll certainly be lylo tomorrow, which is reasonable. Lets see.

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