Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

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Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:59 pm UTC

Turns out that if you slow Justin Bieber's "U Smile" down to 1/8 of the original speed, it sounds really really good.

I think I will now be downloading Paul's Extreme Sound Stretch, to see what other terrible music can be made into something tolerable or even awesome.
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby TaintedDeity » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:00 pm UTC

I would like to hear this with songs I actually know and see if I can recognise anything...
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby Dream » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:54 am UTC

I never fail to be impressed that literally every single audio effect is a function of manipulations of time. No matter how outlandish the result is, it can be attained by nudging things around in time, or altering the amount of time it takes them to happen.
gmalivuk wrote:I think I will now be downloading Paul's Extreme Sound Stretch,

That thing looks really cool. It's a fourier transform analysis and resynthesis technique. It will sound awesome, but there will always be a time/frequency sensitivity tradeoff. Because it works in real time, it won't be perfect. For Beiber in 35 minutes stuff, I'd be looking at offline systems like Common Lisp Music or QuteCSound. Spear will let you selectively edit the frequency content of the file in between the analysis and resynthesis, so you could take a song, cut out the bass and pitch the rest down to replace it, then stretch it all out into ambient weirdness.

I'm kind of glad the Beiber thing is making people look at all the cool sound stuff their computers can do.
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:20 am UTC

Hm, I'll take a look at those programs at some point, as well. I do like realtime for the ability to get immediate gratification, though.
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby philsov » Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:49 pm UTC

I downloaded the track and gave it a whirl.

While it does sound a lot better than the original (not that is a great accomplishment), it's still dreadfully repetitive. Halfway through I just gave up :\.
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby Chfan » Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:02 am UTC

How does the program even work? I cannot figure it out for the life of me.
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby gmalivuk » Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:09 am UTC

Really? The page I linked to explains it pretty much exactly. What don't you get?
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby Giant Speck » Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:06 am UTC

For Ubuntu users:

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sudo add-apt-repository ppa:falk-t-j/lucid
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install paulstretch
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby Chfan » Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:11 pm UTC

Wow. How did I miss that? Thanks.
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby SlyReaper » Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:35 pm UTC

Listening to it now, and the opening at least does sound fecking awesome.
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby Dream » Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:39 am UTC

OK, just had a chance to actually listen. A lot of this is phase vocoder noise, which is a little bit important. It's not just Beiber slow, this isn't what you'd hear if you cut a vinyl copy and just ran the needle really slow (except without the transposition, of course). Instead, it's got lashings of texture that's created by the program. Phase vocoding is really hard to explain, but you can get fairly close to the idea if you think of it as being cutting the song up into absolutely tiny chunks and looping each one for however long it takes to slow the song by as much as you like. Each chunk is overlapped with the next and previous by a set amount to smear together the looping effect and mask it, leaving the sound as intact as possible. It's actually more complicated than that, but that's enough to be getting on with. The process creates all kinds of artifacts and distortions in the sound that are usually very unwelcome, and users attempt to erase them as much as possible.

But sometimes, you want to hear the sound of the effect, and you play it up. Starting with Beiber's earachingly perfect and soulless production, the noise of the vocoder becomes the sound of the track instead of the boring identikit synths and drums. There's loads of space because nothing on the recording has been left alone, everything was cleaned up until it was a two dimensional facsimile or a real instrument. That space is filled by the vocoder artifacts. Every time there's a drum clap, it explodes into a cascade of delicately shifting noise, with band limiting defined by the settings on the effect used. His voice is autotuned within an inch of his vocal cords' lives, and that means that when you noise it up, very interesting things happen with timbre, depending on the syllable he's pronouncing at the time. Attached is an example of a phase vocoded recording of the park outside my flat made with a directional mic, and with the vocoding effect played up a lot. So it's really just the sound of a city, phase vocoded, and with some other stuff going on too.
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...Like, played up a lot. But you get the point.

So it's Beiber, slowed down a lot, but it's also much more than that.
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby kernelpanic » Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:20 am UTC

Just did it with Eruption by Eddie Van Halen. Sounds awesome.
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby vaguelyhumanoid » Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:55 am UTC

Wow.
It's like Sigur Ros and Bull of Heaven having an orgy backstage at the Dead Can Dance concert.
I want to try this with GOOD pop music, i.e. Lady Gaga.
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby gmalivuk » Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:58 am UTC

Bad Romance is pretty awesome.
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby kernelpanic » Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:23 pm UTC

vaguelyhumanoid wrote:I want to try this with GOOD pop music, i.e. Lady Gaga.

My first thought was "Nice. Now let's try it with music."
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby Dream » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:17 pm UTC

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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby SANTARII » Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:21 pm UTC

2:00 to 2:25, brilliant crescendo.
And then an eerie laugh...
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby SlyReaper » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:26 pm UTC

Someone has given the 800% treatment to the Portal song.
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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby Ephemeron » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:19 pm UTC

The original file has been removed from Mediafire because of a 'violation' of their terms and conditions. I'm reuploading it for anyone who still wants it.

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Re: Turn shitty pop into awesome 35-minute epics

Postby zmatt » Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:19 pm UTC

I'm pretty sure it constitutes a "remix" does it not?
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