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[Azrael001]

People seem to have forgotten that the SK is the enemy of the scum first. I've been running through the various contested cop claim scenarios in my head, and I can see where you're coming from, but I can't help but think that bio might be able to alter the reported alignment of those people he "investigates" and leads a lynch on... but you know what? I'm too tired to care right now, and this is a turbo game.

Unvote

Vote: weiyaoli

Ninja'd by bio himself.

[b.i.o]

Ninja'd by bio himself.

Heh, and then you ninja me when I was about to post again and say this:

People seem to have forgotten that the SK is the enemy of the scum first.

I can't help but think that bio might be able to alter the reported alignment of those people he "investigates" and leads a lynch on

I wish. That'd maybe even be able to take the "most awesome role I've ever been given" prize from the Motivational Speaker role I had in Wabam. Maybe.

[Sruixan]

I find Sruixan and weiyaoli suspicious as well, because they've both written very long, very non-committal, very safe posts. In addition, both are newer players. This looks like pretty classic "I don't want to seem like I'm active lurking so I'll post a bit but I also don't want to vote for the lynch target(s) because I know they're not scum and don't want to seem suspicious" new-player scum reasoning to me.

I haven't played for very long, that's true. I'll admit that I've often wondered quite how it is possible to do anything without it somehow being construable as suspicious and to be honest I suppose I've probably been playing things way too safe for some time now. What you see as scum being afraid of making themselves too suspcious is a nervous townie, feeling very much out of his depth right now, worrying that he won't be able to defend himself properly if the noose turns his way.

I had a bit of a think about it and I can see why I probably wasn't doing myself a favour posting like that. There's no reason for me not to speak my mind, for if my opinions get me to the gallows, I know I'm town and if I get there, so be it; I'll just do the best I can to get myself out of that and find the real scum. I expect you're probably thinking "that's a mafioso changing his play because I've picked him up on it being too safe and so he's trying to look more townie now". Sorry, but I'm afraid I'm just taking your advice on-board in order to improve my playing.

So I'm going to do this post a little strangely, I suppose. At this point I have yet to read the thread beyond your post and so I figure what I might as well do is note down my reactions to some of the points made in the ones beyond this as and how I think them.

I got ninja'ed TEN TIMES whilst doing this so I'm afraid I sound way too much like an echo now, which doesn't exactly paint me in a good light because I haven't honestly brought much new stuff to the table, since most of what I said I later found to have been said by someone else (which, admittedly, is an inherent problem in retroactive contribution) and what I did think was new turned out to have been said whilst I was writing it (which, admittedly, is an inherent problem in writing so damned much)

Spoiler:

I am somewhat certain of a few more roles too that are in this game (...) so back to point, figuring out the player people are does not tell me goodie vs baddie however in this case the player that Az is, I highly doubt will be wrong in their accusation

I can't help but think that any information is good information, but I suppose I agree that revealing who is who might not be all too useful - as long as scum have someone well versed in the meta this game is based around, knowing who is what might allow them to home their kill into major power roles, whereas all town would get to know would be the roles present in the game and, though we could speculate on their roles to, without being concrete on alignments, the best it could do it tell the doctor who to doctor (assuming there is one by how the Sungura kill failed earlier), which wouldn't help if one of the people revealed was the doctor, I wouldn't have thought...

That isn't the reason at all. I wrote that post when I was still very undecided between Az/bio purely because in my mind I wasn't sure that they weren't both telling the truth. I thought that Az was town, partly because this would be a very bold thing to do D1 for scum and is easily called out on D2, but also partly because if it was just a "one-shot" cop, the mod wouldn't be bastardly enough to made it paranoid/insane. However I did not want to lynch you because you had claimed cop at that point, and I'm uncomfortable with lynching people who claim without a counter-claim especially based on a "one-shot cop" that could have come from a lyncher, although a MartinW lyncher hasn't exactly come to everyone's minds so that's very unlikely at this point. I'm still undecided over this matter though especially with the possibility that Az is a jester which had not occurred to me. I would say though that a vig-kill on Az is probably best though at this point, just to resolve this whole thing.

I daresay that this is very, very similar to what I was thinking when I made my post earlier...

See, but you've just reiterated exactly the actions that made me suspicious of you with exactly the rationale I'd expect you to give if you were scum. You are now first on my investigation list tomorrow if I survive.

...ah. Well, the only problem I can see there is that it's a townie rationale as well, evidenced by the fact I had it myself, but I can't help but admit that, if I put my cynic hat on, it could also be a scum playing it safe. I'm not sure what to say...

Oh also forgot to add - as promised if I figure out a Megatriorchis in this game, I will let ya'all know. Check out Not A Raptor.
The only way this could backfire if a bastardly part is that Megatriorchis is not scum in this game. It's a risk I'm willing to take though, because, well, Mega is always scum.

...and yet all I can think of is "how?"... besides, I was thinking that, if Mega was around, then her role would be Miller...

Investigation came back. weiyaoli is mafia.

Why did I expect that was going to happen? I can't help but think that it's almost too good to be true, the cop picking someone out as potential scum (with no-one else even batting an eyelid in their direction, although admittedly most were engaged in the Az vs. b.i.o thing) and then getting a scum result on them... although I suppose had I been around to post before weiyaoli and gotten myself copped, then all that would have happened was an incorrect prediction and a confirmed townie... of course, there's always the sanity of your cop to consider...

Dr Ug is dead. He was MasterOfAll, the master of all players, who could recruit players to his Mason-cult. Town.

Well, this makes b.i.o's cop look sane... the fast vote on weiyaoli was a well-intended follow the cop, then... why him, though? I suspect wine is being spread, but how deep do you go? I wonder who he chose last nigh- sorry, yesterday. Gotta remember that. I've never done a nightless game before and keep forgetting that everything happens in the day... the fact the sky hasn't gone orange, let alone black yet should have clued me into it, but nevermind...

They're possibly trying to stir up the wine, or possibly they're afraid that I'm doctored (maybe by the kill-redirect person who protected Amy yesterday).

If you don't mind me asking, where are you getting the "kill-redirect person" from? That looked like a doctored kill to me, since it was said to have "failed" - had it been redirected onto Lataro, why would the mods have said that Amy was targetted in the first place? I can only presume I'm missing something here...

The funny thing is, I now know for sure bio isn't a cop.

I am Silknor and cop results on me always show up as town. So I have no clue what happened there unless bio isn't a cop. And we know his "cop" isn't insane because he got Dr Ug right.

Ok, this is screaming godfather to me. It's an odd power for a townie to have, even in a bastard game where the cops aren't guaranteed sane. But then, if you were a godfather, it's a pretty stupid thing to say... mind you, it could be the case that he's putting himself at risk to get the cop lynched, which is a reasonable trade, I guess...

[quote="AngrySquirrel"The sniper aims. Breathing steadily, controlling his nerves, carefully he starts squeezing the trigger, aiming straight at the squirrel. Then he sees it, the armor, the magic thingamajig that protects the squirrel from such idle fancies, he changes his mind and shots at the other target, the one he shot before. This time however his shot rings true. This time she dies.[/quote]
That's familiar. I think there was flavour a bit like that in DN:L, if memory serves... I do note, though, that the death of the Sk, presumably the second kill we've been seeing, means that the mafia was responsible for both attempts on Amy's life. Ok, that sounds more obvious than I meant it to... what I meant, though, is that when we had the two kills yesterday, knowing Amy was both the target and the potential perpetrator of one makes it highly unlikely that the death of Lataro was due to a redirect...

The role-investigation bit might explain why she was so sure on NaR being Mega, at least...

What I suppose I can do, though, is voice what I think about today's lynch: Weiyaoli. Though it seems a little silly to claim something that could well be the role of a godfather, his death could potentially clear up most of this situation - if he's town, then there's something up with b.i.o. (or your cop, I suppose, since I expect if he did come back town then you'd pull out your "meta-skews-results" theory). If he's scum, then we've just lynched scum and have a reasonably confirmed cop to follow to boot. I would hammer (oh god you're going to see this a scum not wanting to put themselves out in the open aren't you?), but I've spotted he's at this very moment online and in this subforum and has just made a post, so I figure he might have a few final words to say... besides, we haven't had everyone show up yet to voice their views on this development and, though I suppose they'll be a day straight after the lynch in which to do so, we can't really rule out the possibility that there's yet another development to be had in this twisty tale...

[RoadieRich]

Votals:
5 weiyaoli (b.i.o, thinksweet, vectorzero, tastelikecoke, Azrael001)
1 bio (weiyaoli)
1 angrysquirrel (misnomer)

11 players left, 6 to lynch.

[weiyaoli]

What I suppose I can do, though, is voice what I think about today's lynch: Weiyaoli. Though it seems a little silly to claim something that could well be the role of a godfather, his death could potentially clear up most of this situation - . If he's scum, then we've just lynched scum and have a reasonably confirmed cop to follow to boot.

I'm the godfather, so how on earth can bio get a "scum" result on me? It would be very useless to have a godfather in a game with a cop that can pierce that. You know that it isn't due to insanity because he copped Dr Ug D1 and got town which has been confirmed by the SK kill today of him. So ergo he isn't a cop because these two results conflict.

And I might as well hammer:
Unvote
Vote:weiyaoli

[Sruixan]

I'm the godfather, so how on earth can bio get a "scum" result on me? It would be very useless to have a godfather in a game with a cop that can pierce that. You know that it isn't due to insanity because he copped Dr Ug D1 and got town which has been confirmed by the SK kill today of him. So ergo he isn't a cop because these two results conflict.

I'd like to think it's that simple too, but we are playing a bastard game here where very little can be taken for granted. b.i.o.'s cop could well have been capable of piercing your protection - there was a cop in Discmafia who could do that, I believe. The results could be random, which would be very, very bastardly but not impossible, or perhaps the idea that meta-skews-cop results, however far-fetched it sounds, could be reality.

That's not, admittedly, to say that I am totally convinced b.i.o is a cop, but there is the possibility that he is and we shouldn't discard that totally until we have evidence that rules it out once and for all.

[Azrael001]

I'm a mod too, honest.

Aww look at the cute co-mod, it thinks it's people.

[Sungura]

I'm a mod too, honest.

Aww look at the cute co-mod, it thinks it's people. But it's really just a vote-counting machine and not real people like you and me.

[AngrySquirrel]

Confusion has spread amongst the townies, so many plans gone awry, so man theories that just don't fit. Where is the real truth? Are we all just puppets dancing to invisible strings? In the end Weiyaoli just can't take it anymore and grabs a hammer, bashing his own skull in.

Weiyaoli has been lynched. He was the silkysmooth Silknor, mafia godfather.

It is now day 3!

[Misnomer]

And once again...

Vote: AngrySquirrel

[Azrael001]

bio is scaring me now. Things are going too well. And the game is acting properly turbo. All of my alarms are screaming PANIC! PANIC! PANIC!

I suppose at this point there is no harm in saying now that I'm actually Gojoe, not the Duck, and I can claim to be someone once a day to gain powers. It doesn't change alignment. I claimed myself day one, which is what actually got me the investigation.

I mention this now because I have no idea what claiming Nebuduck actually did, and that scares me even more than bio right now.

[Not A Raptor]

B.i.o is scaring me because he got a scum result on a godfather. While that's excellent targeting, that's not a cop.

[b.i.o]

No.

It is, in fact, a cop. (At least as far as I know.)

I have absolutely no idea how the hell I managed to get a mafia result on a godfather, but I did. I sent off a message saying I wanted to investigate weiyaoli, and the message I got back said mafia and nothing else.

There are a few possibilities here. It could be that because I'm MartinW, I'm a super-awesome cop, and therefore can't be fooled. It could be that the godfather was roleblocked or something yesterday, and so his always-appear-town power didn't affect my investigation. It could also be that either my cop is random and I've gotten extremely lucky. It suppose it could also also be that the mod is being a bastard

NaR, I'm scaring you because you're scum. Amy as much as said she'd done a role-investigation on you and gotten Mega, and that's good enough for me since she had no incentive to lie, and role-Mega's almost certainly scum.

vote: Not A Raptor

I suppose at this point there is no harm in saying now that I'm actually Gojoe, not the Duck, and I can claim to be someone once a day to gain powers.

Thought so. The Nebu claim didn't make any sense.

It doesn't change alignment.

See, now this scares me, because I never would have even considered this to be a possibility had you not mentioned it.

I claimed myself day one, which is what actually got me the investigation.

Er, you did? The only thing I can find that even approaches a claim before you said you had an investigation on me is this:

This is Azrael001 officially claiming that I am now playing the game.

And that seems a little bit thin for a claim...am I missing something?

I mention this now because I have no idea what claiming Nebuduck actually did, and that scares me even more than bio right now.

And this. This I don't think I believe at all. I was avoiding investigating you before because I thought you were town. But now? Now I really have no idea. And the revelation of you being Gojoe doesn't really make it easier to trust anything you've said.

[Not A Raptor]

b.i.o, if you're so certain, you can indulge me by copping me. An SK and two scum are dead. We can afford a cop to avoid lynching town. If you're a super-awesome cop, everything should be great.

[AngrySquirrel]

B.i.o decides to sneak off from the discussion for a bit to check out something he found suspicious. As he's poking his head around he suddenly sees something orange out of the corner of his eyes, then a bright flash.


B.i.o is dead. He was MartinW the bulldog. Town-cop.

[b.i.o]

GRRHXXJDLFDLF

*dies*

[AngrySquirrel]

The sniper takes aim again. The orange pumpkin is an easy target, lazers already spent. 3..2..1...a shot rings out and Sruixan lies dead in a pool of his own blood.

Sruixan is dead. Role: Kellsbells, the flying pumpkin that shoot lazer beams out its ass (FPTSLBOIA), town.

[Misnomer]

Heh, what do you know. Regular cop, regular godfather. There is no way the former should have known about the latter. This is starting to look like genuinely serious bastard modding.

[Azrael001]

It's because I said I was Nebuduck and things were going too well. Augh!

[AngrySquirrel]

Votals:
1 AngrySquirrel (Misnomer)

8 players, 5 votes to lynch.

[Sruixan]

...

...I somehow knew that those two events were going to happen in the wrong order...

[VectorZero]

Holy crap. I have no idea what's going on.

[Not A Raptor]

The fuck just happened?

[Misnomer]

Looks like the pumpkin armed itself in order to take out the first person to target it - hoping it would be the sniper (or at least, I think that's what Sruixan's post-death comments implied). But it was the cop who targeted it first, hence why Bio died. No idea how the sniper knew who the pumpkin was though.


Anyways, now that people are suitably disorientated, I would like to suggest that this is the perfect time to help me lynch the mod.

[arduous]

So we have 8 people left. Looking at the list, one of them sticks out like a sore thumb. ahippo, where are you? Maybe it's one of those situations where you have to notice that they aren't posting, because I'd be surprised if someone who has been inactive as long as he has wouldn't be replaced yet in a turbo game. I got modprodded and almost killed for a couple days of inactivity.

The only post ahippo has had was the first post to bandwagon on b.i.o, without waiting for an explanation.

I'd be alright with an ahippo lynch if he doesn't post. But I'd prefer an NaR lynch.

I don't doubt that Sungura found NaR to be mega. All I'm unsure about, as a flavor-challenged individual, is the part about "mega is always scum." But everybody seems to be taking that as truth, so I will too.

Other than that, there is TLC, who I haven't gotten any pings from(or at least I don't remember any), Misnomer, who's militant atheist claim I believe at the moment, Az, who I am inclined to believe is a jester, ThinkSweet, who I've been getting slight pings from throughout the game(can't quite explain them without looking back over everything), and VZ, who I haven't seen anything scummy from.

[Not A Raptor]

Amy was an SK. It's possible that she would hold her results for herself and put forth false ones. If I were truely Mega, she would've killed me!

[Azrael001]

Still not a Jester. I'm actually a cake... You hear me.

Umm yeah. Sleep deprivation is a terrible thing. You should avoid it. Sorry.

[VectorZero]

Living player list for reference:
3. VectorZero
4. Azrael001
6.tastelikecoke
8. Not A Raptor
9. ThinkSweet
10. ahippo
11. Misnomer
13. Arduous

Haven't heard much from ahippo or arduous (err, really slow ninja, this post was sitting on my iPad for ages, good to see a summary post of opinions, that pings townie to me), and to a lesser extent TLC ... Inexcusable for a game that's being running a total of 3.4 days

Haven't got much of a vibe from TS yet. IGMEOY.

I'm fairly convinced now Az is a jester, and that last post surprisingly doesn't disabuse me of the notion. A fake scum result on a cop D1 is a ludicrous scum play. (lyncher fits too, i guess, in which case he's already lost) I'm planning on ignoring him until I'm given a good reason not to.

NaR hadn't struck me as scummy... But the accusation from amy's pretty damning. On the other hand, SK logic would be to distract attention and kills from herself, and her argument (NaR's mega, let's meta) was vague enough that regardless of the alignment (assuming shes right that nar is mega, which iirc he hasnt denied) she'd look good. OTOH, mega is always scum... NaR's request to be copped cuts both ways. If he's scum (and accused by the previously accurate cop, he's likely to be lynched) he's drawing a cop away from a scum buddy, if he's town, it's a reasonable request. On balance, we're probably better off assuming he's scum. Yeah, i could go a nar lynch.

Misnomer worries me. A) pressing for a mod lynch is bizarre to begin with b) if he's telling the truth he's not town c) it's a decent cover for scum. FoS.

Vote:NaR

[Not A Raptor]

(assuming shes right that nar is mega, which iirc he hasnt denied)

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Oh also forgot to add - as promised if I figure out a Megatriorchis in this game, I will let ya'all know. Check out Not A Raptor.
The only way this could backfire if a bastardly part is that Megatriorchis is not scum in this game. It's a risk I'm willing to take though, because, well, Mega is always scum.

Vote: Not A Raptor

The only Mega I am is mega-awesome. Unless you'd like to add to the investigation claims, in which case, I'd consider you out-of-character and lying. Or, you know, you could pull textual evidence out for a lynch of somebody you're convinced is scum.

It was a playful denial, but it was definitely a denial. I am not Mega.

[ThinkSweet]

Ok, of those left:
3. VectorZero - Seems townie to me, so far
4. Azrael001 - hugely untrustworthy, but could still be town, so I'm going with VZ's ignoring him for now tactic.
6.tastelikecoke - some odd posts, nothing that strikes me as scummy
8. Not A Raptor - not hugely scummy, but no reason for amy to lie about him being Mega & if everyone says mega is always scum, that's good enough for me
9. ThinkSweet - Town, obviously
10. ahippo - no idea, the day 1 bandwagon was a little scummy, as is lurking, but arduous could be right about a restriction since he isn't modprodded or killed yet.
11. Misnomer - I'm inclined to believe the modkill goal, not sure if it's town, but probably not scum.
13. Arduous - Not sure, done some sus things, like'forgeting' bio was a claimed cop, could be scummy.

I'm happy with an NaR lynch, or ahippo, or even misnomer, since he isn't town.

[tastelikecoke]

I suppose at this point there is no harm in saying now that I'm actually Gojoe, not the Duck, and I can claim to be someone once a day to gain powers. It doesn't change alignment. I claimed myself day one, which is what actually got me the investigation.

Maybe you could have harvested more grain if you kept on it. nebuduck is probably a vanilla townie, therefore you didn't claim a power role, and didn't get powers. But I don't remember you claiming at D1 though...
... and b.i.o already said what I what I was trying to say.

I feel a roleblocker here, There's more night day kills happening in D1 than today.

Still not a Jester. I'm actually a cake... You hear me.

Going down to your level;
I wanna eat you.
Eat: Azrael001

[VectorZero]

The cake is a lie...

[Azrael001]

Curses, I've been found out...

[ThinkSweet]

ok, well I guess NaR is the best lynch option for today, unless ahippo is just lurking. But for now, I'll
vote: NaR

I'm still for ignoring az, cos at this stage, I can't believe anything he says!

[Azrael001]

That's because everything I say is a lie. In fact I'm lying to you right now.

Also I don't think I've voted yet.

Vote: NaR

[tastelikecoke]

The cake is a lie...

Dammit!

NaR seems to be calmer on handling the Mega attack. I dunno, I'm just pointing out.

[Misnomer]

Misnomer worries me. A) pressing for a mod lynch is bizarre to begin with b) if he's telling the truth he's not town c) it's a decent cover for scum. FoS.

What makes you say that?

[ahippo]

Whoo! Luking! Oh wait that's a bad thing. :(

Anyway, I've been trying to keep up with what's going on. I have been mod-prodded but I really don't have much to say...
I'm pretty vanilla so it makes it tougher for me to tell who's lying and who's telling the truth. I think that it's pretty weird for someone to go for a mod-lynch. It's also weird for the mod to accept those votes. I mean, in DNL it counted as a self vote. I think that might have something to do with his win condition. Az is one of the most unstable players. Jester is a strong possibility on him. (Even though he denies it :P)

As for NaR I thought it was weird how he was scared of b.i.o for being right. And it seemed even weirder when b.i.o died.
My guess is that a serial killer with an investigation would use his/her investigation to get the trust of town. I'm not sure I see any gain in giving known false information if you are trying to seem townie. NaR's logic is scummy enough for me.

Vote: Not a Raptor

[VectorZero]

Misnomer worries me. A) pressing for a mod lynch is bizarre to begin with b) if he's telling the truth he's not town c) it's a decent cover for scum. FoS.

What makes you say that?

Because your goal is to lynch someone that the town does not need to lynch. At LYLO, you are a huge liability to town. Fortunately we are doing well at the moment, so I'm putting you and your issue on the back burner for now.

[Not A Raptor]

Whoo! Luking! Oh wait that's a bad thing.

Anyway, I've been trying to keep up with what's going on. I have been mod-prodded but I really don't have much to say...
I'm pretty vanilla so it makes it tougher for me to tell who's lying and who's telling the truth. I think that it's pretty weird for someone to go for a mod-lynch. It's also weird for the mod to accept those votes. I mean, in DNL it counted as a self vote. I think that might have something to do with his win condition. Az is one of the most unstable players. Jester is a strong possibility on him. (Even though he denies it )

As for NaR I thought it was weird how he was scared of b.i.o for being right. And it seemed even weirder when b.i.o died.
My guess is that a serial killer with an investigation would use his/her investigation to get the trust of town. I'm not sure I see any gain in giving known false information if you are trying to seem townie. NaR's logic is scummy enough for me.

Vote: Not a Raptor

I was scared about the possibility of it being a scum ploy for "confirmed town" status. The godfather would be dead and nobody would care that it was a technically incorrect cop result.