Mafiaballs [Newbie]: Mafiaballs Win

[phlip]

Yeah, I thought that was pretty well established by now.

What's with you, BN? First you get all OMGUS about a misreading of something I wrote, and now this... you're being very reactionary of late. And in the same post as saying we should be calm and considered, even.

[BigNose]

Serves me right for not looking back over my own notes.

Unvote

But it is still not a good idea to attempt to finish a day early.

[<nyssa>]

These are the players who are not dead.
2. meatyochre
3. <nyssa>
4. blackfuse81
5. ElectricHaze
6. Misnomer
7. tastelikecoke
8. Dark Loink
9. phlip
10. Two-Fry
12. BigNose
Of them, EH, Misnomer, TLC, Two-Fry and myself have voted. Blackfuse81 and meatyochre have been fairly inactive, meaty even saying she didn't mind being replaced. Mod: Do we know what is happening there?
Anyway, that leaves phlip, DL and BN. Unofficially, since Misnomer changed his vote to BN, Two-Fry and BN have two votes each, and TLC has one. So even if the three of them voted the same way, we still wouldn't lynch anyone, as we need 6 to lynch. We really need to be working together. Now, I have voted for BigNose. He has been all over the place and pinging me and generally acting scummy, and I've explained why I think that. His defence was basically for me to go and meta-game by reading another one, which I wasn't too pleased about. But then I didn't like Two-Fry's "when I turn up town..." argument, which, from reading other games, I've only ever seen scum do, generally as a last ditch attempt which doesn't work. Also him commenting about BigNose in that post, he should be unsure about BN's alignment, and I know he's set on voting for TLC but at the moment it does seem like BN and Two-Fry are trying very hard not to vote for each other, seeing as BN has also stated that he would vote for TLC if pushed, and then votes Misnomer out of the blue when a) he is confirmed town and b) there are three perfectly good scum candidates to look at (two if he doesn't count himself). I think if one (or both) was town they would have voted for the other by now.
Lynching one or the other of them will help town, I think, it will hopefully clear up some of the left over _infina_ wine. So to give us something to talk about and stop this day from dragging on any longer, we should probably decide which one, or neither and lynch TLC (but I'm not sure I'm keen on that idea tbh).

[BigNose]

ANALYSIS: <nyssa>

Spoiler:

Rightio, well, this is my first mafia game, but thankfully I'm familiar with the flavour and its a completely open set up, so that should help. As for comments, I'm not sure there's much to say as yet, but its interesting that we have a miller, I've never seen that role before, someone who comes up scum when they're actually town.

WHAT? Somewhat contradictory statements there, as it seems that he HAS played mafia before.

Look, the way it stands at the moment, the cop can't trust his own investigations, there's always the chance of him hitting the miller or the godfather, who's investigation results are reversed. So it's helpful to town for the miller to claim, then if we only have one claim, we know who the miller is and can effectively cop scum. If we have two claims, we pick one to lynch, and whatever happens we will end up knowing who the miller is (whether he's alive or not), having lynched a scum member and being able to trust any further investigations that come up scum. More than two claims would just be silly - even if we happen to lynch the real miller on the first night, we then know who the other two non-GF scum are. I don't think they would do that. Infina, I think you're protesting a lot. I also can't see a scenario in which we don't lose any town.
Also I managed to be ninja'd a lot by phlip. My argument runs the same, but his is better written .

Wants the outing of the Miller. Really only good for Town/Cop.

Posting to say I'm also not the Miller. I'm pretty happy with believing Misnomer from the looks of it. And uh, if we're happy with the fact that he's the Miller, and we know the Miller is town, why would we lynch him? That makes no sense Infina. There will always be someone better to lynch, for a start, even just picking randomly we have a chance of hitting scum, whereas if we lynch the miller, we've just killed one of our own. Also, and I'll have to reread BigNose's posts to be sure, but he didn't ping me as seeming too scummy, to be honest. Infina, if he *is* a town power role, and scum hadn't picked up on it yet, you kinda just said "Woo scum look over here NK this one!". You do realise that what you write here can be read by everyone, right? And your 'fixed' version of that post doesn't look much better. At the moment a better person to lynch would be you. Even if you are town, and are just doing your usual dreadful D1 play, where you get yourself lynched and then turn up town, if the choice is between lynching the miller, who is confirmed town, and lynching you, who is possibly town and spreading wine, then I'm pretty happy to go with you.

Slaps Infina's logic.

I..err...what? Honestly, a girl goes out for a few hours and misses all the action!
I really badly want to vote, this being my first game and all, but also because of that I want to hear as much explanation of scenarios and posts as possible. So I'd like to wait until Dark Loink is back so I can hear what he has to say. I'm not interested in anything Infina has to say anymore.

Really wants to vote but ACTUALLY doesn't.

Yay weekend! I have finally got time to post something meaningful. Let's see, infina turned out to be scum, which was really not much of a surprise, and we lost the cop, which is a shame, seeing as we spent all of D1 trying to make his investigations meaningful. But no matter, on to what to do today.
Looking at infina's posts now, knowing that he's scum, I think there are some things we can pull out. First of all, he says this:

Wow BN, if you're not scum, you just gave them a reason to pick you apart.

And then goes on about power roles, which he later states wasn't about BN. Then, in response to me, all he said was why he didn't think BN was a power role, and that he may be 'slightly scummy'. So he doesn't actually state what the reason is that BN should be picked apart by scum. I'm thinking this might be a half-baked attempt at making BN not seem like one of his scum buddies.
Then, BN attacks infina twice but does not vote, FoS or IGMEOY or anything. Also he says that 'revenge would be sweet'. Not 100% sure what to make of this, but I think they could both be scum and trying to make it seem like they are not by arguing with each other. Overcompensating?
In the very next post, infina, having spent most of his time talking about how he thought BN 'might be slightly scummy', FoS's Two-Fry, seemingly out of nowhere for posting little content. I think this may have been a random grab at a townie to try and get us away from him or BN, as in the same post he unvoted himself and stated he wanted to try and generate more discussion and extend the day.
But then there is this post:

Vote:_infina_
and there is the curtain for the roleblocker. Goodnight BN.

He hammers himself, fair enough, saved us from doing it, but he says Goodnight BN. I don't know here if he's saying goodbye to his scum buddy either just because, or because he thinks we will lynch him D2, or whether he is saying goodnight because he thinks that he has made us think BN will be NK'd. Point is though, BN wasn't NK'd, arduous was, which makes BN seem even more scummy.
So err, yeah. I only really looked at infina and BN's posts and will have to look at other people's myself in addition to reading everyone's analyses, which I've done, but it is enough for me to FoS: BN, and get back to my homework.

Lengthy analysis of Infina and myself's back and forth. States she needs to look at others.

OK, A quick reposte as I have just got back:
Go read Diablo II

Err, I'm good. I'm guessing your defence is that something you said I thought was scummy and it was actually just a reference to something I haven't read or played or have a desire to read or play...the flavour is Spaceballs, not Diablo. Don't assume people know what you are talking about.
Vote: BN

I'm in a bad mood today.

Votes for me in a bad mood. My response was to several people. Why are you making it personal?

Ohhhhh, he was talking about a Mafia Game? See what I mean about not assuming people know what you are talking about? I thought he meant the RPG.

Nothing to note.

Ahaha, oh dear, my vote didn't count because I didn't spell out Big Nose properly, I am guessing. Probably for the best, I was in a bad mood and I need to read all this again and see if I can see the reasons for this Two-Fry wagon. If I can't I will be voting for Big Nose for realz.

Re-quotes her bad mood vote. States that she'll look over it all again, then it's either Two-Fry if she can find something, or me if not.

These are the players who are not dead.
2. meatyochre
3. <nyssa>
4. blackfuse81
5. ElectricHaze
6. Misnomer
7. tastelikecoke
8. Dark Loink
9. phlip
10. Two-Fry
12. BigNose
Of them, EH, Misnomer, TLC, Two-Fry and myself have voted. Blackfuse81 and meatyochre have been fairly inactive, meaty even saying she didn't mind being replaced.

Mod: Do we know what is happening there?

Anyway, that leaves phlip, DL and BN. Unofficially, since Misnomer changed his vote to BN, Two-Fry and BN have two votes each, and TLC has one. So even if the three of them voted the same way, we still wouldn't lynch anyone, as we need 6 to lynch. We really need to be working together. Now, I have voted for BigNose. He has been all over the place and pinging me and generally acting scummy, and I've explained why I think that. His defence was basically for me to go and meta-game by reading another one, which I wasn't too pleased about. But then I didn't like Two-Fry's "when I turn up town..." argument, which, from reading other games, I've only ever seen scum do, generally as a last ditch attempt which doesn't work. Also him commenting about BigNose in that post, he should be unsure about BN's alignment, and I know he's set on voting for TLC but at the moment it does seem like BN and Two-Fry are trying very hard not to vote for each other, seeing as BN has also stated that he would vote for TLC if pushed, and then votes Misnomer out of the blue when a) he is confirmed town and b) there are three perfectly good scum candidates to look at (two if he doesn't count himself). I think if one (or both) was town they would have voted for the other by now.
Lynching one or the other of them will help town, I think, it will hopefully clear up some of the left over _infina_ wine. So to give us something to talk about and stop this day from dragging on any longer, we should probably decide which one, or neither and lynch TLC (but I'm not sure I'm keen on that idea tbh).

Notes the lack of content from meaty and blackfuse. Accuses me of being scummy. Comments on my out-of-the-blue vote on Misnomer, despite a post from me defining that it was simple mistake and hence unvoted.

VERDICT: <nyssa>'s last post pinged me as potential scum pushing a 1-or-other strategy which is why I started this analysis. But looking through all her posts, while they could be scummy, I think that because I am tied in with it, my view is slightly distorted.


META-NOTE: Any comment for the Mod should be on a separate line, in BOLD. It's probabaly why your initial vote for me was missed.

[tastelikecoke]

Uhh... so where are we going here?

SO the godfather and the goon are the ones left. Without the cop the godfather's power is trivial now. The miller's also trivial. The only step to take is to find scum with ordinary townie methods. Also, the doctor have no power roles to protect anymore doesn't have an obligation to protect the miller, or any other townie, so the doctor just needs to avoid protecting protecting scum, or at least protect those people likely to get Nk'd. The situation is sleazy simple. The problem is we can't concur who are scum, so we are 3 votes far from the lynch.

[Two-Fry]

The Miller is not trivial. He is confirmed town, which means we can all trust him to act in town's interest (or at least try to do so)
Vote: Big Nose
I was reluctant to vote him before because he had been acting town, but his last three posts have pinged me as scum, so I'm comfortable with lynching him.

[Dr Ug]

Sorry about the absence over the weekend - I had a serious case of computer-death... Anyway, that's sorted out now.

I have sent modprods to blackfuse and meatyochre.

Votals!

two-fry (2): ElectricHaze, tastelikecoke
BigNose (2): <nyssa>, misnomer
TLC (1): two-fry

6 to lynch.

two-fry, if you want to change your vote, you need to unvote first.

[Two-Fry]

Sorry about that
Unvote
Vote: BigNose

[ElectricHaze]

Hey everyone I have to do this on my phone cause I'm still in Vegas so I can't really do quotes and stuff, but I just wanted to step in and comment.

If I recall correctly, two-fry, your initial defense to my suspicions of you was that infina was trying to put suspicion onto two townies, and you said we were going to be in a terrible position when you both came back town. Now you're voting for him? He's provided good analysis and content. Yes he reacted quickly to a statement and voted for the miller, but it seems like it was an honest mistake, and he quickly unvoted.

I also wanted to say nyssa has been pinging me a bit, but a can't really do a good analysis from my phone. So that will have to wait until Tue or Wed, when I get back home and have some time at a real computer.

[Two-Fry]

You are correct EH. At the time, I thought Big Nose was probably town because I hadn't seen any scummy behavior from him. However his last few posts have pinged me quite hard, so I think it is possible that Infina was trying to distance himself from Big Nose. This, combined with the unlikeliness of a TLC lynch and how long the day has been dragging have convinced me to vote for BN

[tastelikecoke]

Okay, Two-Fry shook my ground there for a second, but then again voting Big Nose isn't really a good excuse.

I don't see anything wrong with Bignose, except for the mistake he made. He haven't given any clues either. Totally being oblivious to the fact (or acting so) that Misnomer is miller isn't helpful to either town or mafia.

[Dr Ug]

crucialityfactor is replacing meatyochre

[crucialityfactor]

Hey guys. Still reading through things, but I'd like to share something. infina's comments about Big Nose and Two-Fry can and should not be written off as just wifom. He played probably the worst scum ever day 1. He was clearly panicked once pressure was put on him and made stupid decision after stupid decision. The smartest thing he did all day was his unvote that lead him to hammering himself to end the day abruptly.

That being said. I do believe that either BN or T-F are scum because I really do not think infina had any idea what he was doing. I'm not sure which of them it would be. I'm leaning towards Two-Fry at the moment, but really both have made mistakes today that are worth looking in to. Big Nose has seemed more middle of the road/leaning scum through out the game so far. Two-Fry has fluctuated between seeming very town and then seeming very mafia.

I will try to post in more detail tomorrow. Just wanted to get something out there.

[crucialityfactor]

Kinda hard to want to post anything more in depth when there has not been any activity from any other players in over 2 days.

What is the deal?

[BigNose]

The Miller is not trivial. He is confirmed town, which means we can all trust him to act in town's interest (or at least try to do so)
Vote: Big Nose
I was reluctant to vote him before because he had been acting town, but his last three posts have pinged me as scum, so I'm comfortable with lynching him.

Exactly WHAT way have they pinged you?

Sorry, but simply stating that someone 'pinged you' is not evidence and stating that my vote for misnomer is evidence is just plain scum play.

I was going to simply FoS you, but this day is lacking in content and we need content, so:

Vote: Two-Fry

[Dr Ug]

As CF noted, this day is dragging.

There is now a deadline for Day 2 of 72 hours.

10 players remaining, 6 to lynch, 3 to lynch at deadline, in the event of a draw, random.org will pick the lynchee.

Votals:

two-fry (3): ElectricHaze, tastelikecoke, BigNose
BigNose (3): <nyssa>, misnomer, two-fry

[Misnomer]

Any news on blackfuse?

[Dr Ug]

He just replied asking to be replaced, I am still waiting for a second replacement. If noone volunteers, blackfuse will be modkilled at the end of the day.

[Dr Ug]

Legologos is replacing blackfuse.

[LegoLogos]

Hi All

Coming in late in the game a bit here. Also, I'm a massive newbie so... big lolz. Just wanted to get in on the action, although I can't say my mind is particularly well made up.

BigNose, TLC and Two-Fry all seem suspicious. Not surprising since most other players haven't posted as much. The case for these guys have been well made so far I think you would agree.

If BigNose's vote for Misnomer was an honest mistake, then Misnomer should unvote and vote for Two-Fry. However, the BigNose vote for Miller might have been just to see if anybody would notice and could even have been a deliberate ploy to set up some townie-like behaviour by unvoting and being honest. BigNose then made an somewhat weak analysis of <nyssa>, before changing to Two-Fry simply because Two-Fry voted him.

So of the 3, I feel that TLC is least suspicious, followed by Two-Fry and finally BigNose seems most suspicious. If nothing else, I don't think BigNose's analysis is helping anyone, he just seems to be wasting time.

Vote: BigNose

Obviously I haven't posted my reasons for believing TLC is most likely of the three to be a townie and why I think Two-Fry is reasonably suspicious. However I think everyone is reasonably comfortable with voting these guys and I think I can back up my vote with evidence if need be.

[ElectricHaze]

I'm back from my trip so here's better content!

two-fry:

Spoiler:

I don't need glasses

Thoughts on roles: The miller, while a pain in the ass, shouldn't effect our strategy. If someone comes up mafia on a cop, we should lynch them (in the absence of a counterclaim) despite the inevitable claim of miller. The presence of a roleblocker and a godfather makes playing follow the cop impossible; though if the cop finds the roleblocker early, it gives us a good chance of getting the goon to. The cop probably should claim despite the possibility of finding the miller, as there's a 2/3 chance of a scum resulting being scum (plus, hopefully the cop will select targets more likely to be scum)

Basic speculation, says we should lynch a scum cop result regardless of a miller claim by the investigation target. Good basic reasoning and strategy. Since it was before the suggestion of just having the miller claim: Town

I think having the miller claim is a good idea

Agrees with the miller claim strat, nothing else. Neutral

Well, assuming that only scum will false claim, we actually want them to claim miller, as it identifies them immediately. 2 miller claims, assuming no NKs are blocked, would put us at D3 with 7 Town and 2 Scum or D2 with 8 Town and 2 Scum. A False cop claim would also have the effect of sacrificing a Town to get a Scum, which is a good proposition when scum are outnumbered 3 to 1

Defends the miller claiming strat against a terrible argument. Slightly Townish (Because the argument against the strat was so bad and easy to shoot down)

Posting to confirm that I am not the miller
FOS: Infina
I see many good reasons to lynch Infina, however I'm going to hold of on my vote for two reasons:
First, he has been known to spread wine and play anti town while turning up town in the end
Second, Not everyone has posted since misnomers claim; leaving open the possibility of a miller counterclaim

Infina does seem like the best lynch in absence of a counterclaim though, so as soon as everyone has posted I'll upgrade to a vote.

Holds out on the infina wagon, but for decent reasoning. Nuetral

Actually, it's a 3/8 chance of hitting scum :p

Corrects some math. Nothing

Okay then. Seeing as a miller counterclaim seems pretty unlikely at this point, I'll go ahead and
Vote: Infina
Can we get votals please?

Jumps on the infina wagon. Nuetral.

Well, with Infina out of the way, I'd like to call attention to the other player who was pinging me as scum yesterday.

I don't know about your claim Misnomer, We could had had a little D1 chat first before roleclaiming, so pings of scum might have been clearer. But we can't go back in time can we?

Suggests miller should not have claimed. Slightly Scummy/Neutral

So arduous and infina argued with each other, and Bignose had probably said everything about miller claims. I think the miller should claim. I don't know what will we do after that.

After expressing doubts about the miller claim, says that the Miller should have claimed after all. Can't you make up your mind? Slightly Scummy

Isn't keeping the miller alive an anti-town move? It provides a lot of wine.

Suggest having the miller alive is bad, which is just plain wrong. Scummy

We could just ignore the miller and hope that the miller acts townie enough so he isn't copped. It's good meta-game-wise too.

Anyway that's some thoughts for me.

And appears to change his mind about miller again. Scummy

Spoiler:

Self-voting is suicide for most of the time. Infina's self vote is interesting though.

Next, if I was scum, why would I continue to do things to make me stand out? The goal of scum is to hide, correct? I'm just a little to easy to find stuff in each post. Although, this would be my first time getting lynched for something I did. It might be fun. Lets try it.

I dunno, Is this infina's attempt to spread wine? Infina's defenses are too obnoxious to sound townie.

The first line appears to suggest that the self vote was not Scummy? It looked pretty scummy to me, and everyone else. Slightly Scummy

Some late response:

Mea culpa. The impression I got from past games was that a Miller either needs to claim early on the first day or not claim at all. And since there seemed to be such an early clamour for the Miller to reveal, I thought I'd best do so.

This is my first time playing with a miller, so I'll appreciate that wisdom.

Surely lynching a player on the town's side is more of an anti-town move?

Of course lynching the miller is outrageous. But doctoring the miller wouldn't make sense. scum needs to NK the doctor and the cop, not the miller.

Another just plain incorrect statement. Like arduous said, the doctor should protect whoever they think is most likely to be NK'd, and the miller was a good guess because scum do want the miller deadSlightly Scummy
Overall: Scummy
I don't want to start a bandwagon without having any discussion first, but TLC is looking pretty scummy to me.
FoS: TLC

First and only analysis post. He finds TLC scummy which I don't see particularly strong evidence for. TLC is generally confusing in the way he talks, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it may be because English is not his first language. At least that's the impression that I get from reading his posts. All I got on TLC is confusion over how the miller claim strategy works, he was asking a lot of questions about it, and such, which could certainly be seen as slightly scummy. The other two points two-fry makes are just blatently wrong. The one about infinas self vote which in that quote tlc said was suicidal, but slightly interesting, and came to the conclusion that it was not town. Two-fry says TLC was sort of defending infina in there which I find to be a bit of a stretch. Next is TLCs doctor strategy thoughts which I agree with. After the miller claimed it makes him vanilla town, with a cop still out there I felt the mafia would probably be avoiding a vanilla town and trying to NK the cop or the doc so it didn't make much sense for the doctor to be trying to protect the miller, I thought it was a solid comment on doc strategy by tlc and not scummy at all. I think this analysis post was shaky at best and possibly a little scummy.

Looks like due to the short D1 we have very little to work with here, so even though I'm not completely satisfied with it, I'm going to do this anyways
Vote: TLC

Last post said he wasn't trying to start a bandwagon, now he trys to start a bandwagon even though there hadn't been much discussion at this point... though a lot of that had to do with lurkers. Slightly Scummy for flip flopping

Okay, it seems to me like we essentially have a 2nd day 1 because we didn't really get much information from Infina's lynch. However people also seem hesitant to vote with little info like they would on Day 1. So, at risk of sounding scummy for trying to hurry things, I'm going to suggest that we just pick a player and lynch them.
The players who have been FOS'd, and I therefore consider lynch candidates
TLC: FOS'd by myself for using false logic in the miller discussion
BN: FOS'd by Misnomer and Nyssa due being named by Infina
Myself: FOS'd by Electric Haze for the same reason

I'd feel more comfortable with the TLC lynch because I'm inclined to think Infina was just throwing out wine, but I could also go for the BN lynch. I think that in the end, Misnomer needs to take leadership because we can all trust him.

Says we should just pick someone and lynch them, and then pushes some more for an infina wagon. Scummy as hell. This could never in a million years be a good idea for town.

Hey, I'm heaing off to Vegas for a week so I may not be able to post much, not that I have been anyways... Sry. I just wanted to get a few thoughts in. I still think either BN or two-fry is scum, and I'm pretty certain it is two-fry.

I've played several games with infina, and the FoS out of the blue is usually a pretty strong tell from him about what he thinks about a player. With him being scum it just looks like a half baked attempt to distance two-fry from himself. BN has also come across as more towny feeling to me from his posts.

Either that, or he was just throwing out wine.

So, at risk of sounding scummy for trying to hurry things, I'm going to suggest that we just pick a player and lynch them.

Also, What? Surely we have more to go on than just trying to pick someone at random and vote, and if we go this route won't we just be back in this same situation tomorrow? No deadline has been put into place yet so there is still time for discussion and properly picking a lynch target who has a chance of being scum.

Call me impatient if you will, but I don't really enjoy a day needlessly extended in the name of 'discussion' which never materializes. And no, we won't end up with another situation like this. We didn't gain any information from the Infina lynch because it was unanimous so we have no voting record to go on, whereas this will obviously be different.

I've seen talk about TLC, which I want to address. TLC, at least to me, is a very confusing person. I never seem to understand what point he is trying to make or what his strategy is, it's all just confusing to me and looks like wine. I have played with him in several games and in all of them he's been town. I see no abnormalities in any of his posts to suggest he is trying to change anything up or hide anything. If no better target comes up I'm willing to go along with a TLC lynch simply to reduce the number of players that confuse the hell out of me.

For now though I will
vote: two-fry

I think he is the best choice and since I'm going away I'll throw the vote out there. If anything significant happens I'll be able to change it from my phone or something.

I think the reasoning here is pretty weak. Infina was just throwing out wine left and right, and I don't think we should lynch based on that when TLC was actually acting scummy.

Defends himself some, says infina should just be ignored, pushes more for hurrying up the day and lynching tlc. Still scummy for trying to push to a quick day end.

I also voted TLC

Nothing here

Ahaha, oh dear, my vote didn't count because I didn't spell out Big Nose properly, I am guessing. Probably for the best, I was in a bad mood and I need to read all this again and see if I can see the reasons for this Two-Fry wagon. If I can't I will be voting for Big Nose for realz.

The reasoning is that Infina FOS'd me in one of his posts, and then never mentioned me again.
I'm simply going to say again that we should not be lynching based on what Infina said when TLC is actually acting scummy.
Also, a question for those who voted for me: when I turn up town, are you going to lynch Big Nose next? Because if you do, you're likely putting us at LYLO (Newbies: LYnch or LOse) based on guessing at Infina's intentions.

This seems to imply that he knows Big Nose is town and his defense is that lynching both of them in an either or situation puts us at LYLO, but the only people who know BNs alignment would be BN and the Scum. Also, I've really only ever seen scum use the "You'll be sorry when I turn up town line". Scummy

Huh? No. You and the scum know your alignment... that's true whether you're scum or not. I was trying to insinuate that 2F was scum, not you.

I did not mean to say that BN is certainly town, just that I think he likely is (or at least does not seem scummy to me). In any case, my argument remains the same:
A) If both me and Big Nose are lynched and are town, we will be at LYLO. I don't that's a smart risk to take.
B) Infina was spewing wine in all directions, do we really want to base our strategy of of what he said?
C) TLC was actually acting scummy, whereas the main argument against me is based off of an interpretation of Infina's wine

Backpedals on his slip up and change his previous argument that he thinks BN is LIKELY town. Continues to push a TLC lynch. Nuetral/slightly scummy for a weak defense.

Could we get a replacement/Modkill on blackfuse81?

Nothing here.

The Miller is not trivial. He is confirmed town, which means we can all trust him to act in town's interest (or at least try to do so)
Vote: Big Nose
I was reluctant to vote him before because he had been acting town, but his last three posts have pinged me as scum, so I'm comfortable with lynching him.

Doesn't say why he thinks the last posts were scummy and jumps off the TLC vote he was pushing to jump on what looks to be a quickly forming bandwagon on big nose. Even after BN took back his vote and said it was a mistake. Scummy.

Sorry about that
Unvote
Vote: BigNose

Nothing here

You are correct EH. At the time, I thought Big Nose was probably town because I hadn't seen any scummy behavior from him. However his last few posts have pinged me quite hard, so I think it is possible that Infina was trying to distance himself from Big Nose. This, combined with the unlikeliness of a TLC lynch and how long the day has been dragging have convinced me to vote for BN

Defends his vote hopping rather weakly.

Summary. This guy is the most scummy acting player so far, and the one we should be lynching. He hasn't posted much content and he's been pushing a tlc lynch all day and then suddenly hops off it once it just seems more likely that big nose will be lynched. Plus I still think the manner in which infina referenced the both of them makes two-fry really suspicious as well. Where as the manner in which infina went after Big Nose before his FoS post and in his FoS makes BN a much less likely scum candidate.

Big Nose:

Spoiler:

WOW.
Lots of input, nice to see.

Regarding the Miller role-claiming, on a personal/meta-gaming basis, I would prefer the Miller not to role-claim because that loses some of the mystery of the process of playing the game. From a Townie point of view, I can understand the reason to claim and can't condemn it.
If the Miller claims, then either if there is a counter-claim, we (potentially) lose 3 Town for 1 scum (2 x lynch, 2 x NK), or if not, then we lose 1 Townie (NK) and have to consider who else to lynch D1.
Should the Doctor save the Miller if he is the only claim? The Doctor should be aiming to save the cop, but at D1, that is an unlikely target, so probably for N1, Doctoring the single-claim Miller is probably correct.
The problem with that is that the scum now have a greater chance of getting the Doctor or Cop, as the Miller gets written off the NK list.
Certainly, if the scum claim Miller, then the real Miller MUST counter-claim and hope he avoids the lynch.

On other points:

Alright...I'd say we probably have a godfather, knowing the set-up. Dark Helmut would probably be some sort of...roleblocker of sorts. There are probably 6 vanil-
Yeah. So open set-up. This is my confirming, I don't really have much to comment on as of yet. But cool.

Please make sure you do comment. One thing I do and will push on, is lack of posts and lack of content.

Finally, I need to look more into the Arduous/Infina back and forth.
This isn't a turbo.

I will be away from 31/07 to 08/08. I may get chance to get a quick post in that time.

Analysis of the miller claim strat is sound, makes a point of asking for lots of content good. Fairly standard opening post. Slightly townish for the content push.

Next:

From a Townie point of view, I can understand the reason to claim and can't condemn it.

Does this imply that you are not normally looking at things in this game from a townie point of view?

LOL no. I was just stating that I had 2 points of view, the meta-gaming view and the Townie view.
I sometimes look at the game from a scum point of view, mainly when I am scum (obviously), but also when I am Town.
It's good to think 'what might scum do?'.

Defense of the wording slip up I pointed out earlier. Sound counter argument. Neutral.

Well, blackfuse informed me he has a post pending saying that he is not the miller. I guess that wraps that up.

No offense Arduous, but until Blackfuse does state in thread, I'll take that with a single salt crystal.

@Infina
The self-vote only puts you in the same league as Zerker2000 and we know that he is now a persona non grata for quite a few people.
I would like to know what role you think I am. If you are scum (which I am inclined to believe), then you have effectively pronounced my death sentence (in thread, as opposed to in Night PM's), if you are Town, that was crap play.

I will withold my vote for now. I am forced to vote by end of next RL day (I will be away for 1 week).
This is a newbie game, so here's your chance Infina.

Has the same reaction to infinas self vote as everyone else. Gives infina until he leaves to prove himself. Neutral.

I..err...what? Honestly, a girl goes out for a few hours and misses all the action!

Anyways,
If we don't get answers, I'm going to hammer in a few hours. Because that will at least clear up something. But I will be gone for a few hours, then I can discuss more of what has happened. But the self vote is what caught my eye. I am now confused.

I really badly want to vote, this being my first game and all, but also because of that I want to hear as much explanation of scenarios and posts as possible. So I'd like to wait until Dark Loink is back so I can hear what he has to say. I'm not interested in anything Infina has to say anymore.

I second this.

I would also like the Hammer NOT to be dropped until more have had a say.

Also, because:
a) Revenge would be sweet (soz Infina)
b) I am away from Sat to Sun (8 days), so want to miss as little as poss.

Wants there to be more discussion before the hammer drops. Town.

OK, A quick reposte as I have just got back:
Go read Diablo II

More hopefully tomorrow.

I got the reference cause I was in that game. Not helpful for the new people who have no idea what he's talking about there. Neutral because he promises an explanation when he has time and then delivers.

OK. I am back from my hols and last nights quick post was just a simple "I'm here" post.

Regarding Infina and I, we both played in Mafia - Diablo II, where I was the GF and he was a Bomb (last vote also dies). He (amazingly) picked me out as GF from my first post in that game and then managed to, by luck, (I have since read his spoilers stating so) picked out the other 2 scum. For me, it was a permanent defence against that 1st post accusation and constant attack by Infina.

In this game, Infina was easily idetifiable as scum, with me even stating so but not voting. The lack of voting was to ensure that there was more time for people to say things. The more content there is, the better it is for Town. I think that his strategy of unvote and re-vote on himself was in response to my "revenge is sweet" comment, whereby I was quite happy to hammer him, but he thwarted my efforts with his unvote/re-vote on himself.

Let me do the 'rounds' on my other Mafia games and I'll be back with more in-depth later.

Defends his revenge is sweet comment. Talks about how more discussion is always good. Slightly town.

ANALYSIS: Two-Fry

I don't need glasses

Thoughts on roles: The miller, while a pain in the ass, shouldn't effect our strategy. If someone comes up mafia on a cop, we should lynch them (in the absence of a counterclaim) despite the inevitable claim of miller. The presence of a roleblocker and a godfather makes playing follow the cop impossible; though if the cop finds the roleblocker early, it gives us a good chance of getting the goon to. The cop probably should claim despite the possibility of finding the miller, as there's a 2/3 chance of a scum resulting being scum (plus, hopefully the cop will select targets more likely to be scum)

Good basics

I think having the miller claim is a good idea

Same as others

Well, assuming that only scum will false claim, we actually want them to claim miller, as it identifies them immediately. 2 miller claims, assuming no NKs are blocked, would put us at D3 with 7 Town and 2 Scum or D2 with 8 Town and 2 Scum. A False cop claim would also have the effect of sacrificing a Town to get a Scum, which is a good proposition when scum are outnumbered 3 to 1

Good Townie stuff

Posting to confirm that I am not the miller
FOS: Infina
I see many good reasons to lynch Infina, however I'm going to hold of on my vote for two reasons:
First, he has been known to spread wine and play anti town while turning up town in the end
Second, Not everyone has posted since misnomers claim; leaving open the possibility of a miller counterclaim

Infina does seem like the best lynch in absence of a counterclaim though, so as soon as everyone has posted I'll upgrade to a vote.

Neutral

Actually, it's a 3/8 chance of hitting scum :p

Maths

Okay then. Seeing as a miller counterclaim seems pretty unlikely at this point, I'll go ahead and
Vote: Infina
Can we get votals please?

True to his word, votes on Infina

Well, with Infina out of the way, I'd like to call attention to the other player who was pinging me as scum yesterday.

{SPOILERED ANALYSIS OF TLC}

Overall: Scummy
I don't want to start a bandwagon without having any discussion first, but TLC is looking pretty scummy to me.
FoS: TLC

Hits on TLC as possible scum.
I need to have a look at my own analysis to see if I agree.

Looks like due to the short D1 we have very little to work with here, so even though I'm not completely satisfied with it, I'm going to do this anyways
Vote: TLC

Votes on TLC

Okay, it seems to me like we essentially have a 2nd day 1 because we didn't really get much information from Infina's lynch. However people also seem hesitant to vote with little info like they would on Day 1. So, at risk of sounding scummy for trying to hurry things, I'm going to suggest that we just pick a player and lynch them.
The players who have been FOS'd, and I therefore consider lynch candidates
TLC: FOS'd by myself for using false logic in the miller discussion
BN: FOS'd by Misnomer and Nyssa due being named by Infina
Myself: FOS'd by Electric Haze for the same reason

I'd feel more comfortable with the TLC lynch because I'm inclined to think Infina was just throwing out wine, but I could also go for the BN lynch. I think that in the end, Misnomer needs to take leadership because we can all trust him.

He has already VOTED on TLC and then states that he has simply FoS'd him.
Could be scum, hoisted by his own admission. Ignore the DEADLINE. The more we talk, the more it wil be extended.
VERDICT: Some confusion in there, but nothing stand-out (ish).

ANALYSIS: TLC

I'll read this whole block of texts in a later moment. But I guess it's a free time so wait for me!

Nothing

I don't know about your claim Misnomer, We could had had a little D1 chat first before roleclaiming, so pings of scum might have been clearer. But we can't go back in time can we?

So arduous and infina argued with each other, and Bignose had probably said everything about miller claims. I think the miller should claim. I don't know what will we do after that.
Isn't keeping the miller alive an anti-town move? It provides a lot of wine.
We could just ignore the miller and hope that the miller acts townie enough so he isn't copped. It's good meta-game-wise too.

Anyway that's some thoughts for me.

Strange contradicting words. Yes the Miller should claim, but keeping him alive is anti-Town (only if he didn't reveal himself) and hopes the Miller plays Townie (which he is and would anyhow).

Self-voting is suicide for most of the time. Infina's self vote is interesting though.

Next, if I was scum, why would I continue to do things to make me stand out? The goal of scum is to hide, correct? I'm just a little to easy to find stuff in each post. Although, this would be my first time getting lynched for something I did. It might be fun. Lets try it.

I dunno, Is this infina's attempt to spread wine? Infina's defenses are too obnoxious to sound townie.

Some late response:

Mea culpa. The impression I got from past games was that a Miller either needs to claim early on the first day or not claim at all. And since there seemed to be such an early clamour for the Miller to reveal, I thought I'd best do so.

This is my first time playing with a miller, so I'll appreciate that wisdom.

Surely lynching a player on the town's side is more of an anti-town move?

Of course lynching the miller is outrageous. But doctoring the miller wouldn't make sense. scum needs to NK the doctor and the cop, not the miller.

Strange analysis of Infina. Self-voting is not spreading wine, it's suicidal EVERYTIME.
A little excessive in his defence (outrageous) of a Miller lynch.

Defense of me.
Is it really bad to switch to ideas? Vote-hopping is a scumtell, but ideahopping.

Another just plain incorrect statement. Like arduous said, the doctor should protect whoever they think is most likely to be NK'd, and the miller was a good guess because scum do want the miller deadSlightly Scummy

I get some explanation, but if arduous said to the doctor that they should protect the miller, then the mafia won't NK the miller since town's going to protect him. Mafia would at most try to kill cop or doctor. Killing a miller isn't really better than NKing vanilla towns.

The first line appears to suggest that the self vote was not Scummy? It looked pretty scummy to me, and everyone else. Slightly Scummy

I thought that self-vote is like his last act to act zerker-like townie. I haven't been reading this days since next day is final exams day.

I hope you even consider this defense since I won't be able to this week.

I really hate how I always post in mafia just to defend my posts. I guess bad players won't enjoy mafia well.

nothing that I find exceptional here.

I'm still going to stand ground my original opinion:

Isn't keeping the miller alive an anti-town move? It provides a lot of wine.

First, I'm not talking about lynching the miller, but staying alive.

and I was trying to question this:

So whoever is the doctor, ought to consider protecting the miller tonight.

This instruction invalidates the strategy.
Also,

But doctoring the miller wouldn't make sense. scum needs to NK the doctor and the cop, not the miller.

BigNose also had thoughts about this:

Should the Doctor save the Miller if he is the only claim? The Doctor should be aiming to save the cop, but at D1, that is an unlikely target, so probably for N1, Doctoring the single-claim Miller is probably correct.
The problem with that is that the scum now have a greater chance of getting the Doctor or Cop, as the Miller gets written off the NK list.
Certainly, if the scum claim Miller, then the real Miller MUST counter-claim and hope he avoids the lynch.

I really must ask why, does doctoring a miller better than doctoring anyone else. He's equal to a vanilla townie at most. Plus I don't think the mafia wants to kill the miller. He has no chance to block, special abilities or anything. Plus, because mafia now knows who is the miller, then they have 2/8 chance to get another power role. And since they have a nightkill, at Day 2 they have even more chance to get a power role (e.g. look at what happened today!) Why would they waste chances?

Anyway some of you would think this is mere hindsight, but I really, really believe that doctoring the miller wouldn't make sense at D1.

A bit disjointed, but it seems valid.
VERDICT: There is potential for scum indications, but as I find quite a bit of his posts disjointed, it's difficult to be more certain.


If push comes to shove, then I would vote for TLC, but I consider we are a long way from that.

Good analysis. He's fairly lenient on both though and really doesn't make too much in the way of conclusions other than he thinks tlc might be a little scummy. slighly town.

. .
(nothing conclusive, but explicitly claiming town rubs me the wrong way, as does claiming BN is also town... there's only a few people who could be sure of BN's alignment, after all...). . .

Exactly which FEW are you referring to?
Are you trying to insinuate that I am Scum?

FoS: Phlip

An OMGUS FoS due to what looks like a misunderstanding. Slightly scummy

OK no probs

UnFos

PS Scum insinuate, Town state with reasons.

Misunderstanding cleared up. FoS taken back. Neutral.

I'm not sure there's much to be gained by keeping the day going any longer. As has been said, we are effectively in a Day1 situation - there's nothing on which any solid lynches can be based. I think those of us who have yet to vote should probably just go with their instincts for now, so the day can end and the game move on. It's a far from ideal situation, but reserving judgement indefinitely in the hope of a scum slip-up is unlikely to get us anywhere...

There is ALWAYS something to be gained by keeping a Day alive, especially without a lynch candidate.
Only scum want to end it early.

Until I can look back over you properly:

vote: Misnomer

Another snap action by BN, this one has decent reasoning behind it. Just lynching to end the day is bad encourage more discussion good. I give this one a neutral because BN had a good reason, but forgot about the claim, and took back the vote immediately after realizing that mistake.

Serves me right for not looking back over my own notes.

Unvote

But it is still not a good idea to attempt to finish a day early.

takes back mistaken vote. Again I believe that this was an honest mistake. That's what it feels like to me, but I understand if some or even all of you see it differently. Neutral

ANALYSIS: <nyssa>

Rightio, well, this is my first mafia game, but thankfully I'm familiar with the flavour and its a completely open set up, so that should help. As for comments, I'm not sure there's much to say as yet, but its interesting that we have a miller, I've never seen that role before, someone who comes up scum when they're actually town.

WHAT? Somewhat contradictory statements there, as it seems that he HAS played mafia before.

Look, the way it stands at the moment, the cop can't trust his own investigations, there's always the chance of him hitting the miller or the godfather, who's investigation results are reversed. So it's helpful to town for the miller to claim, then if we only have one claim, we know who the miller is and can effectively cop scum. If we have two claims, we pick one to lynch, and whatever happens we will end up knowing who the miller is (whether he's alive or not), having lynched a scum member and being able to trust any further investigations that come up scum. More than two claims would just be silly - even if we happen to lynch the real miller on the first night, we then know who the other two non-GF scum are. I don't think they would do that. Infina, I think you're protesting a lot. I also can't see a scenario in which we don't lose any town.
Also I managed to be ninja'd a lot by phlip. My argument runs the same, but his is better written .

Wants the outing of the Miller. Really only good for Town/Cop.

Posting to say I'm also not the Miller. I'm pretty happy with believing Misnomer from the looks of it. And uh, if we're happy with the fact that he's the Miller, and we know the Miller is town, why would we lynch him? That makes no sense Infina. There will always be someone better to lynch, for a start, even just picking randomly we have a chance of hitting scum, whereas if we lynch the miller, we've just killed one of our own. Also, and I'll have to reread BigNose's posts to be sure, but he didn't ping me as seeming too scummy, to be honest. Infina, if he *is* a town power role, and scum hadn't picked up on it yet, you kinda just said "Woo scum look over here NK this one!". You do realise that what you write here can be read by everyone, right? And your 'fixed' version of that post doesn't look much better. At the moment a better person to lynch would be you. Even if you are town, and are just doing your usual dreadful D1 play, where you get yourself lynched and then turn up town, if the choice is between lynching the miller, who is confirmed town, and lynching you, who is possibly town and spreading wine, then I'm pretty happy to go with you.

Slaps Infina's logic.

I..err...what? Honestly, a girl goes out for a few hours and misses all the action!
I really badly want to vote, this being my first game and all, but also because of that I want to hear as much explanation of scenarios and posts as possible. So I'd like to wait until Dark Loink is back so I can hear what he has to say. I'm not interested in anything Infina has to say anymore.

Really wants to vote but ACTUALLY doesn't.

Yay weekend! I have finally got time to post something meaningful. Let's see, infina turned out to be scum, which was really not much of a surprise, and we lost the cop, which is a shame, seeing as we spent all of D1 trying to make his investigations meaningful. But no matter, on to what to do today.
Looking at infina's posts now, knowing that he's scum, I think there are some things we can pull out. First of all, he says this:

Wow BN, if you're not scum, you just gave them a reason to pick you apart.

And then goes on about power roles, which he later states wasn't about BN. Then, in response to me, all he said was why he didn't think BN was a power role, and that he may be 'slightly scummy'. So he doesn't actually state what the reason is that BN should be picked apart by scum. I'm thinking this might be a half-baked attempt at making BN not seem like one of his scum buddies.
Then, BN attacks infina twice but does not vote, FoS or IGMEOY or anything. Also he says that 'revenge would be sweet'. Not 100% sure what to make of this, but I think they could both be scum and trying to make it seem like they are not by arguing with each other. Overcompensating?
In the very next post, infina, having spent most of his time talking about how he thought BN 'might be slightly scummy', FoS's Two-Fry, seemingly out of nowhere for posting little content. I think this may have been a random grab at a townie to try and get us away from him or BN, as in the same post he unvoted himself and stated he wanted to try and generate more discussion and extend the day.
But then there is this post:

Vote:_infina_
and there is the curtain for the roleblocker. Goodnight BN.

He hammers himself, fair enough, saved us from doing it, but he says Goodnight BN. I don't know here if he's saying goodbye to his scum buddy either just because, or because he thinks we will lynch him D2, or whether he is saying goodnight because he thinks that he has made us think BN will be NK'd. Point is though, BN wasn't NK'd, arduous was, which makes BN seem even more scummy.
So err, yeah. I only really looked at infina and BN's posts and will have to look at other people's myself in addition to reading everyone's analyses, which I've done, but it is enough for me to FoS: BN, and get back to my homework.

Lengthy analysis of Infina and myself's back and forth. States she needs to look at others.

OK, A quick reposte as I have just got back:
Go read Diablo II

Err, I'm good. I'm guessing your defence is that something you said I thought was scummy and it was actually just a reference to something I haven't read or played or have a desire to read or play...the flavour is Spaceballs, not Diablo. Don't assume people know what you are talking about.
Vote: BN

I'm in a bad mood today.

Votes for me in a bad mood. My response was to several people. Why are you making it personal?

Ohhhhh, he was talking about a Mafia Game? See what I mean about not assuming people know what you are talking about? I thought he meant the RPG.

Nothing to note.

Ahaha, oh dear, my vote didn't count because I didn't spell out Big Nose properly, I am guessing. Probably for the best, I was in a bad mood and I need to read all this again and see if I can see the reasons for this Two-Fry wagon. If I can't I will be voting for Big Nose for realz.

Re-quotes her bad mood vote. States that she'll look over it all again, then it's either Two-Fry if she can find something, or me if not.

These are the players who are not dead.
2. meatyochre
3. <nyssa>
4. blackfuse81
5. ElectricHaze
6. Misnomer
7. tastelikecoke
8. Dark Loink
9. phlip
10. Two-Fry
12. BigNose
Of them, EH, Misnomer, TLC, Two-Fry and myself have voted. Blackfuse81 and meatyochre have been fairly inactive, meaty even saying she didn't mind being replaced.

Mod: Do we know what is happening there?

Anyway, that leaves phlip, DL and BN. Unofficially, since Misnomer changed his vote to BN, Two-Fry and BN have two votes each, and TLC has one. So even if the three of them voted the same way, we still wouldn't lynch anyone, as we need 6 to lynch. We really need to be working together. Now, I have voted for BigNose. He has been all over the place and pinging me and generally acting scummy, and I've explained why I think that. His defence was basically for me to go and meta-game by reading another one, which I wasn't too pleased about. But then I didn't like Two-Fry's "when I turn up town..." argument, which, from reading other games, I've only ever seen scum do, generally as a last ditch attempt which doesn't work. Also him commenting about BigNose in that post, he should be unsure about BN's alignment, and I know he's set on voting for TLC but at the moment it does seem like BN and Two-Fry are trying very hard not to vote for each other, seeing as BN has also stated that he would vote for TLC if pushed, and then votes Misnomer out of the blue when a) he is confirmed town and b) there are three perfectly good scum candidates to look at (two if he doesn't count himself). I think if one (or both) was town they would have voted for the other by now.
Lynching one or the other of them will help town, I think, it will hopefully clear up some of the left over _infina_ wine. So to give us something to talk about and stop this day from dragging on any longer, we should probably decide which one, or neither and lynch TLC (but I'm not sure I'm keen on that idea tbh).

Notes the lack of content from meaty and blackfuse. Accuses me of being scummy. Comments on my out-of-the-blue vote on Misnomer, despite a post from me defining that it was simple mistake and hence unvoted.
VERDICT: <nyssa>'s last post pinged me as potential scum pushing a 1-or-other strategy which is why I started this analysis. But looking through all her posts, while they could be scummy, I think that because I am tied in with it, my view is slightly distorted.


META-NOTE: Any comment for the Mod should be on a separate line, in BOLD. It's probabaly why your initial vote for me was missed.

More analysis. Good. I didn't really look at his thoughts and conclusions here because nyssa has been pinging me a bit too so I don't want to distort my own analysis when I get to that. town.

The Miller is not trivial. He is confirmed town, which means we can all trust him to act in town's interest (or at least try to do so)
Vote: Big Nose
I was reluctant to vote him before because he had been acting town, but his last three posts have pinged me as scum, so I'm comfortable with lynching him.

Exactly WHAT way have they pinged you?

Sorry, but simply stating that someone 'pinged you' is not evidence and stating that my vote for misnomer is evidence is just plain scum play.

I was going to simply FoS you, but this day is lacking in content and we need content, so:

Vote: Two-Fry

Asks for the evidence against him that two-fry refers to before voting. Correctly, IMO, states that this is a scummy move. town

Conclusions: I think BN is more towny than two-fry. He's provided more content and is constantly asking for more discussion and more content whereas two-fry
has been pushing for lynches and days to get over with.

Those are my thoughts. It's pretty long because it's every post from two different players...

In summary BN = towny. two-fry = scummy. I think this BN lynch that seems to be gaining momentum is a HUGE mistake.

[ElectricHaze]

EBWOP: Oops looks like I missed a spoiler tag that was in one of my quotes in the analysis section... my bad.

[Misnomer]

Well, there's now been a good number of posts since BN voted for me. Here's my thoughts on the matter.

I think BN genuinely forgot I was the miller. Rushing towards a vote is often a scum move, and it's understandable to see why BN might jump on it without thinking things through. I think I'm inclined to agree with TLC that making yourself appear oblivious to the fact that the miller has been claimed is hardly a clever scum tactic - especially as it was certain to draw attention to BN at a time when a two-fry lynch seemed to be gaining momentum. LegoLogos suggested that BN may be trying to make himself appear honest and innocent by deliberately making an obvious mistake, and then owning up to it. I don't think this is that likely however, because the whole process has just made him look more suspicious - BN, I may be unsure about lynching you, but my FOS remains firmly in place.

Which leaves me with two-fry, who I was voting for before all this kicked off. The unresolved FOS by infina continues to bug me, and his more recent behaviour continues to ping. As people have said, "when I turn up town..." is a very strange argument to deploy in your defence. But the thing that swings it is what looks like an attempt to bandwagon BN with little justification. Two-Fry, if you can give us a solid explanation as to why BN's recent posts have pinged you so much, please do so.

For now though

Unvote
Vote: Two-fry

[tastelikecoke]

English is not his first language.

True, but I'm not far from fluent to it, because we are taught of English since Grade 1. I just can't voice my opinion easily as you do.

EH's analysis pretty much explains my suspicions too.

[<nyssa>]

Err, hmmm. That's quite a wall o' text up there. I have only skimmed it, for now (its almost 1am here and I need sleep), but it is enough for me to
unvote
to show good faith. I voted BigNose because at the time he seemed very scummy to me, but there are some good arguments being made against Two-Fry. I'll read EH's post properly tomorrow (hopefully in the afternoon) and post my thoughts. If the day ends before I am back, so be it. I really don't think it will though, the way things are going, so hopefully I'll have a chance to think about this and post something.

[BigNose]

English is not his first language.

True, but I'm not far from fluent to it, because we are taught of English since Grade 1. I just can't voice my opinion easily as you do.

EH's analysis pretty much explains my suspicions too.

TLC just as an aid:
True, but I'm not far from fluent to in it, because we are taught of English since Grade 1. I just can't voice my opinion as easily as you do.


PS My 'other' language is so poor against your English (for 'other', read 'any'.), I feel shamed.

[Two-Fry]

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
I'm tired of this. If I'm not lynched today, I almost certainly will be tomorrow. What's the point of fighting it? I made a few screw ups once I was put under pressure, and now I'm good as dead. Infina really screwed up by naming us. Thanks a lot.
Unvote
Vote: TwoFry
Good luck, <name deleted, you know who you are>

[Two-Fry]

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
I'm tired of this. If I'm not lynched today, I almost certainly will be tomorrow. What's the point of fighting it? I made a few screw ups once I was put under pressure, and now I'm good as dead. Infina really screwed up by naming us. Thanks a lot.
Unvote
Vote: TwoFry
Good luck, <name deleted, you know who you are>

Also, before I'm lynched, I just want to say sorry to all the newbies who're playing their first game of mafia. Normally it's a lot more involved than this but Infina really screwed it up for us scum

[ElectricHaze]

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
I'm tired of this. If I'm not lynched today, I almost certainly will be tomorrow. What's the point of fighting it? I made a few screw ups once I was put under pressure, and now I'm good as dead. Infina really screwed up by naming us. Thanks a lot.
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Vote: TwoFry
Good luck, <name deleted, you know who you are>

Also, before I'm lynched, I just want to say sorry to all the newbies who're playing their first game of mafia. Normally it's a lot more involved than this but Infina really screwed it up for us scum

He really did screw you over with that FoS, sry. Though I probably would have been after you over BN or TLC simply because you really seemed in a rush to push through a lynch today on little discussion. For future reference whenever you were trying to do something that seemed scummy and wanted to hide it you prefaced it with "I don't want to look like this, but..." I don't think it helped and in fact made what you said stand out more. You might want to look out for that in future games.

[Two-Fry]

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
I'm tired of this. If I'm not lynched today, I almost certainly will be tomorrow. What's the point of fighting it? I made a few screw ups once I was put under pressure, and now I'm good as dead. Infina really screwed up by naming us. Thanks a lot.
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Vote: TwoFry
Good luck, <name deleted, you know who you are>

Also, before I'm lynched, I just want to say sorry to all the newbies who're playing their first game of mafia. Normally it's a lot more involved than this but Infina really screwed it up for us scum

He really did screw you over with that FoS, sry. Though I probably would have been after you over BN or TLC simply because you really seemed in a rush to push through a lynch today on little discussion. For future reference whenever you were trying to do something that seemed scummy and wanted to hide it you prefaced it with "I don't want to look like this, but..." I don't think it helped and in fact made what you said stand out more. You might want to look out for that in future games.

No need to apologize, it would be stupid for you not to use all the information you had. Thanks for the tip too.

Now let's stop chatting and lynch me, aiight? I don't want to accidentally finger my scumbuddy, do I?

[LegoLogos]

Well, well, well.

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Two-Fry is throwing in the towel. I found ElectricHaze's analysis convincing.

Vote: Two-Fry

jus' let me get ma lynch fork!

[tastelikecoke]

Yay. Finally this day's about to end.

[phlip]

OK, well that's... different.

[Dr Ug]

After the death of Dark Helmet and Lone Star, the remaining residents of Druidia grew despondent. Everyone kept to themselves for most of the day, and there was little discussion. When they did get together to discuss anything, it was to decide between lynching BigNose and two-fry. Eventually two-fry declared himself the better candidate, and everyone agreed.

Sorry for the poor flavour, Day 3 start will be better (when I've had more sleep).

Two-fry has been lynched.

Day EndVotals:

two-fry (3): ElectricHaze, tastelikecoke, BigNose, misnomer, two-fry, Legologos

It is now Night 2. Please send in night actions as quickly as possible.

[ElectricHaze]

Is this still going?

[Dr Ug]

President Skroob hid out in his room, playing with his Schwartz-ring. He was quite worried about the happenings over the last two days. He had struggled to maintain a look of disinterest when Colonel Sandurz was strung up next to Dark Helmet yesterday, and was particularly uncomfortable about the possibility of joining them today.

Two-Fry was Colonel Sandurz, Mafiaball Goon

Still, at least he still had the "Deathinator", having snuck back overnight to take it from Sandurz's still cooling body. On the way back to his room, he couldn't resist the urge to make use of it. He snuck in to Electrichaze's room, and swiftly beat him to death.

Electrichaze was a Reshirt Guard, Vanilla Town

He then awoke the next morning, and did quite a good job of feigning surprise when everyone discovered Two-Fry's identity, and ElectricHaze's death.[/i]

It is now Day 3.

9 players remaining, 5 to lynch

[LegoLogos]

Seems like a good results for town. One mafia left and we still have a doctor. The question is, were we on the right track with BigNose or TLC? I think we need some more input from a few people.

Quick and short overview of my thoughts (without any evidence).

phlip - seems townie enough. No evidence that he protected any scum and indeed his intuitions were roughly correct.
Dark Loink - hasn't posted heaps but good content and IMO is town. See his analysis of BigNose, Misnomer, TLC and Two-Fry on page 3.
Misnomer - miller. 'nuff said.
crucialityfactor - very quite. Understandable, but needs to post some content so we can all feel more comfortable.
<nyssa> - been flagged as a bit scummy by a few people.
tastelikecoke - flagged as scummy but avoided the lynch.
BigNose - probably the biggest question mark over BigNose. Some questionable behaviour.

I don't have time right now but I think the last 3 I mentioned, in particular, need some re-analysis in light of the new evidence. Hopefully I will follow with this later on in the day.

[phlip]

Quick thoughts: Like EH said, infina's final FoS was probably one town and one scum... I don't think even infina would go so far as to name both scummates in there... which would let BN off the hook. Though, of course, you can never be sure.

I'll have a look through 2F's stuff later today if noone beats me to it, see if I can find anything useful in there... but like I said before, I'm not the best at cutting through the wine, 'cause it's all liquid and tends to just slosh around the knife. Or something. I think I had a point with that metaphor, but I've forgotten what it is now.

[Dr Ug]

There are actually 8 players left alive, rather than 9. It is still 5 to lynch.

[tastelikecoke]

tastelikecoke - flagged as scummy but avoided the lynch.

I've been flagged scummy by scum very strongly.

TLC just as an aid:

Goddammit. this is probably why I get very low grades at English. English is not my speaking language. That'll probably explain everything.