morriswalters wrote:I'm sorry, let me clarify something. As I said at the beginning, I'm not interested in going backwards. I like flush toilets and all that implies. But you can't(at least I don't believe you can) bring all 7 Billion people up to the industrialized nations standard of living. Much less the 10 Billion expected in 2050. I don't think you can build what you need that quick if at all.
On this, it seems that we have a fundamental difference of opinion, so I don't think there is much to be gained in continuing that discussion.
One thing I will say, is that I agree that it is not likely that everyone will have access to the same level of technology in the near future. On the other hand, it looks to me that a larger proportion of people have access to food and clean water now than did 100 years ago, while at the same time being around 4 times as numerous. I can only hope that we can continue that trend. (And, I am sure that similar tends must exist for other things- mobile telephone adoption is exploding right now)
I also think it is rather pessimistic to believe that humanity has some kind of end game in which everyone is equally happy, because that implies humanity has a limited potential.
morriswalters wrote: In my opinion you can say we are different than the animals, but all to often we act like them.
We clearly have much in common with other animals. The crux of my point was that you cannot point to an animal trait and say that this must apply to humans: A desert animal taken to arctic conditions dies of hypothermia; A person takes clothes.
morriswalters wrote:About the Bluefin Tuna and Cod. That was not a joke, bad or otherwise. The people now alive may well be the last to taste either of those fish.
I am sorry if I misunderstood you. I felt that the statement was in such clear opposition to your position on this thread(that we must be responsible, and very conservative with our consumption); I interpreted this as a warning to eat those fish now, because they may not last(thus turning it into a self fulfilling prophecy); that it must have been a joke.