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Re: Mafia - Twins - Scum draw, Town lose

Postby BigNose » Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:08 am UTC

MAFIA - TWINS

Every one has a Twin, but Twins are never EXACTLY the same.
Some people find soul-mates and are effectively Twins in how they think and operate.
But there is always ONE who goes against the grain.
Nobody likes them or wants them.
The Runt of the litter.

But the Runt is not without influence.

This game consists of Cops and Doctors and Town and Scum and Godfathers and Role-blockers and Twins, but no Cults.
Oh, and a Runt!


Standard Mafia Rules (stolen):
Spoiler:
Mafia, also known as Werewolf (to infidels, we shall not speak of them), is a game originating in real life, but adapted for a forum setting. Basically, you have a small village of innocent people, but hidden among them is a group of nasty mafiosos, whose sole goal is to have at least 50% of the population belong to their organization so that they can control the lynch-votes. Since they cannot recruit people, the only way to achieve this is bloody murder, but not more than one per night. The rest of the town uses their deductive abilities, along with some special roles, to find these infiltrators and lynch them.

To Vote: You must bold it, if you don't and I miss it, not my fault! It should also be on a separate line such as:
Vote: AngrySquirrel

If you want to change a vote, do it in this manner:
Unvote: AngrySquirrel
Vote: OneoftheDragon


Night—when everything else happens:
People with night-time powers send in their night actions and discuss among themselves etc. Yes, there is both a day and a night-phase in this game.

Rules:
1. Do not talk about the game outside this thread.
2. DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE GAME OUTSIDE THIS THREAD. (Unless you spoiler it in the discussion thread, or really, really want to, you are only shooting yourself in the foot.)
3. Please stay on topic. (Seriously, stay on topic. I will tolerate minor deviations and such but more than X off-topic posts in a row and I will punish you, this does not come into play before the game starts however).
4. Don't lurk. If you need a replacement let me know and I'll fix it.
5. If you aren't part of the game, please post in a separate, forbidden to players, thread for outside analysis.
6. Once I say that it's nighttime, do not post in the thread AT ALL. Minor off topicness will be tolerated but please, do not discuss the game during night.
7. If you die, don't say anything for the rest of the game except a simple, "Bah, you got me," or "Urrghh" which reveals no information. Seriously, dead people, you are dead, stay that way. YOU ARE DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD!
8. You may not post verbatim or quote from your role PM. Paraphrasing is fine. YOU MAY NOT QUOTE YOUR ROLE PM, anyone who does anything even close to this will be publicly executed.
9. You may not edit your posts. This is to preempt the possibility of cheating by sending messages to other people and then editing them out. Or a for a number of other reasons. DON'T EDIT.
10. Do not assume the game is over until one of the mods say it is.

Players:
Spoiler:
(-)1. negativeone (loool)
2. ThinkSweet
3. roband
4. Zid
5.Boreeas (Evil Twins FTW)
6.mcmesher
7.tastelikecoke (I have a twin?!)
8. existential_elevator
9. iroZn
10.Chandani (let's see how this go)
11. Lataro (Quoteblock go!)
12. Dr Ug (Awww you stole my slot)
13. Misnomer (unlucky for some...)

DEAD:
D1 Lynch: Boreeas, Twin, Town Supporter
N1 NK: Misnomer, Twin, Town Supporter
D2 Lynch: ThinkSweet, Town Doctor
N2 NK: existential_elevator, Town Cop
N2 NK: tastelikecoke, Runt, Indy
D3 Lynch: McMesher, Mafia, Scum #1 NK
N3 NK: Zid, Mafia, Scum #2 NK
N3 NK: Chandani, Twin, Town Supporter
D4 Lynch: IroZn, Town, Doctor
N4 NK: Roband, Scum Supporter
D5 Lynch: Dr Ug, Town, Doctor

End-game living:
Lataro - Scum Team #2 GF
NegativeOne - Scum Team #1, RB
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Night 0

Postby existential_elevator » Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:16 am UTC

First.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Night 0

Postby roband » Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:34 am UTC

Confirmed.
The death of Lady Diana was also predicted by Moby Dick.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Night 0

Postby Dr Ug » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:25 pm UTC

Confirming that I will be patchily available until Monday.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Night 0

Postby Misnomer » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:59 pm UTC

Confirming.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Night 0

Postby Chandani » Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:20 pm UTC

Confirming! Ready for my first game! :D
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby BigNose » Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:48 pm UTC

Day One begins with the Twin's finding out who their twin is.
Should they tell?
Should they keep it a secret?

It's fun keeping secrets.
The Runt has a secret.
He's not the only one.


Day One starts now.
Deadline: 24 Dec 12:00 ish
No need to further confirm.

13 players alive, 6 to lynch, yes just 6 to lynch, not 5 or 4, although 7 will do nicely
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby iroZn » Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:27 pm UTC

Hello all, twins huh? I suppose it's not all good twin bad twin, although I'm sure there are some of those out there!

BigNose wrote:Every one has a Twin, but Twins are never EXACTLY the same.
Some people find soul-mates and are effectively Twins in how they think and operate.
But there is always ONE who goes against the grain.
Nobody likes them or wants them.
The Runt of the litter.


I wonder what kind of powers the runt has? He is indie from the flavor. How many mafia do you guys think there are?
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby mcmesher » Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:31 am UTC

confirm
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby existential_elevator » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:50 am UTC

I would expect three or four depending on how powerful the runt is?
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby Boreeas » Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:57 am UTC

I will be off over the weekend. Sorry if this came too sudden, it was a surprise to me, too.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby Misnomer » Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:40 pm UTC

At a guess I'd say that the runt was a survivor or sk. Could be a unique role to this game though.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby Lataro » Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:17 pm UTC

So, it sounds to me like we all want to see the runt dead, based on flavor in the OP that no one likes him. I suspect he'd have some decent abilities, such as a kill or some kind of immunities.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby negativeone » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:08 am UTC

From the OP...
BigNose wrote:
Every one has a Twin, but Twins are never EXACTLY the same.
Some people find soul-mates and are effectively Twins in how they think and operate.

This game consists of Cops and Doctors and Town and Scum and Godfathers and Role-blockers and Twins, but no Cults.



So that means there are two cops, doctors, and other power roles? Just saying.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby tastelikecoke » Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:50 am UTC

Confirmed.

What's with the title "Who am I?" Are some players uninformed of their role?
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby iroZn » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:50 am UTC

Hmm well I'm pretty sure the roles which are twins it gives you a possibility of being one type or another and you don't know which one you are. For example twin cops, one is a role cop and one is an alignment cop, you don't know which one you are until you try copping someone. This means you aren't a twin? runt? I guess your on my possible list now.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby Chandani » Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:16 am UTC

I guess the question is 'is everyone a twin'?

To quote the OP:
BigNose wrote:This game consists of Cops and Doctors and Town and Scum and Godfathers and Role-blockers and Twins, but no Cults.
Oh, and a Runt!



It seems like Twins is a seperate role from the other, normal roles in mafia, since it is mentioned separately. Though could being a twin be a 'status effect'?
If that is the case, I would assume that there is one of each of the roles mentioned above, or maybe more scum to balance it out, around 6 twins, and then the runt.

As for the title...the only thing that I could think of is roleclaiming, which isn't usually favored early in the game.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby tastelikecoke » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:47 am UTC

I guess twins are similar to lovers or siblings, so it'll be easy for everyone to have a twin. But status effects? I don't think you can change your twin, In real life you just can't be twins today and strangers the next day. But if you are saying for example a cop can have a twin, I think siblings and lovers can have town and scum roles.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby roband » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:02 pm UTC

Apologies for being offline all weekend, looks like we're still waiting for some others to show up too.

My thoughts are that the 'and twins' in the OP refers to additional players, after the other roles.
So maybe not everyone IS a twin...
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby iroZn » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:44 am UTC

Chandani wrote:I guess the question is 'is everyone a twin'?


BigNose wrote:[i]Every one has a Twin, but Twins are never EXACTLY the same.
Some people find soul-mates and are effectively Twins in how they think and operate.
But there is always ONE who goes against the grain.
Nobody likes them or wants them.
The Runt of the litter.


Everyone has a twin. Except runt.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby Dr Ug » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:54 am UTC

At the time, this flavour
BigNose wrote:Day One begins with the Twin's finding out who their twin is.
seemed to suggest to me that we should have received a PM with "So and so is your twin" at the start of D1. I have asked the mod whether this was the case, and it seems this was not the case. At least, not for me.

Anyone have any idea what that flavour actually met?

Also, bit of a runty-tell all those who thought there were only a few twins.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby Chandani » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:09 am UTC

@iroZn: I don't think having a twin means that everyone IS a twin. Again, it seems like Twin is a specific role type, from the original post.

Going to Dr. Ug's post:
Dr Ug wrote:At the time, this flavour
BigNose wrote:Day One begins with the Twin's finding out who their twin is.
seemed to suggest to me that we should have received a PM with "So and so is your twin" at the start of D1. I have asked the mod whether this was the case, and it seems this was not the case. At least, not for me.

Anyone have any idea what that flavour actually met?



I'm being a bit pedantic here, but notice the fact that the first Twin is capatilized in the flavour, and then followed by an uncapitalized twin.
Now, the only other time BigNose had capatilized Twin was in the beginning post with his list of roles that are present.

To me, the fact that Twin was mentioned in the list of roles indicates it is a specific role, and that not everyone is a Twin, but everyone has a twin (except the Runt, of course).
So to me, the flavour is saying that Twins (those who have the specific role) figured out who their twin was.
Which would indicate that Dr. Ug is not a Twin. Which doesn't mean he is the Runt; rather, it could mean anything else.

Of course, if Dr. Ug isn't the Runt, and thus must have a twin, that means only Twins (the role) know who their twin is. Which could lead to some trouble (ie people who are Twins claiming having the same twin and the twin not being able to clarify)
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby ThinkSweet » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:36 am UTC

Yeah, I'm thinking the 'Twins' are linked roles who know eachother (similar to lovers), and the rest of the roles are just 'twinned' in function, without us knowing who has the flip side of that function. For now anyway.

So from the plural use of the term in the flavour, I'm guessing there are 2 Godfathers, which could be not so great for the trustworthiness of cop results ...

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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby iroZn » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:57 am UTC

Ok I am going to try to figure out who my twin is through a riddle:


How many times can a fish swim?
Hint, less is more.


Either that riddle will be way to easy or way to hard haha

Anyways if my twin is out there and you got the same message as me you should be able to get it... hopefully.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby tastelikecoke » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:17 am UTC

The plural use of the term is probably like how you call ham and eggs when it only has one egg on it. But on other hand...
BN wrote:Some people find soul-mates and are effectively Twins in how they think and operate.

That flavor seems to suggest there could be twin roles. And since BN also mentioned that twins aren't exactly the same, maybe one is townie and one is scum.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby existential_elevator » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:23 pm UTC

iroZn wrote:
How many times can a fish swim?
Hint, less is more.



I'm guessing negativeone?

And, yeah, I was figuring that there must be a difference between twins and Twins, since I don't know who mine is. I'm sure I'm not the only person, but I do hope there's some way of finding out.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby Zid » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:12 pm UTC

I can't say I believe the capitilization makes a difference, interesting theory though. Does anyone know if Bignose is normally a stickler for SPAG?
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby roband » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:35 pm UTC

I suspect it's just that the first 'Twin' is capitalised because it's a rolename and the second isn't because it's not.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby ThinkSweet » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:49 pm UTC

Don't suppose anyone wants to claim knowing who their twin is? <.< >.>
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby Chandani » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:52 pm UTC

It probably depends if someone wants to claim being a Twin.

Anyone out there?
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby roband » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:53 pm UTC

I'll show mine if you show yours...

or something.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby Dr Ug » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:46 am UTC

I must say, I think the capilisation thing is a furfy, especially as all instances of "Twin" in the OP are capitalised. I'd say the "twin" in the flavour is just that - flavour, and capitalisation irrelevant.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby Dr Ug » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:49 am UTC

EBWOP:
Chandani wrote:To me, the fact that Twin was mentioned in the list of roles indicates it is a specific role, and that not everyone is a Twin, but everyone has a twin (except the Runt, of course).
BigNose wrote:Every one has a Twin, but Twins are never EXACTLY the same.
[/quote]Bolding mine - Note that the "everyone has a Twin" is twin with a capital.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby roband » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:06 pm UTC

BigNose wrote:[i]Day One begins with the Twin's finding out who their twin is.


This is the quote I think we were looking at. From the start of day flavour.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby mcmesher » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:36 pm UTC

when do we actually start?
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby Chandani » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:41 pm UTC

...The game is already on.

Day one ends in a few days.
BigNose wrote:Day One starts now.
Deadline: 24 Dec 12:00 ish
No need to further confirm.

13 players alive, 6 to lynch, yes just 6 to lynch, not 5 or 4, although 7 will do nicely


I don't know if this is normal or not, but should we start voting soon?
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby Chandani » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:42 pm UTC

EBWOP: Just for clarification, the quoted text was from BigNose's Day 1 post. If that wasn't obvious.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby iroZn » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:53 pm UTC

I guess we're just going to have to take a shot in the dark? maybe lynch someone who is lurking? Is anyone lurking... well there are a couple of people with only one post and booreas left for the weekend and hasn't seem to come back.

People with one post:
negativeone
Zid
Booreas
Lataro

What do you guys think? Anyone want to offer a target with an explanation/proof?
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby Dr Ug » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:18 pm UTC

roband wrote:
BigNose wrote:[i]Day One begins with the Twin's finding out who their twin is.


This is the quote I think we were looking at. From the start of day flavour.
But my point is that it's not consistent. If Twins were roles, and twins refers to pairings of all but one player, it would have been applied consistently.
BigNose wrote:Every one has a Twin
BigNose wrote:Day One begins with the Twin's finding out who their twin is.
This is not consistent application of capitalisation.

I'm surprised at lataro especially for not posting... He's usually quite active.
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Re: Mafia - Twins - Day 1: Who am I?

Postby roband » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:23 pm UTC

Ok, I see your point.
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