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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Midnight » Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:21 am UTC

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Роберт » Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:43 pm UTC

Stand Alight by Paper Crows is interesting. It's in a standard 4/4 time signature, but they use quintuplet for the dubsteppy synth sound. I had never noticed quintuplets/pentuplets in music before, and had to use my google-fu to find the proper word and notation. (Bar the five notes together and right 5:4, indicating that all five notes are to be played in the time it normally takes to do four.)
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Midnight » Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:38 pm UTC

yeah all tuplets are notated like triplets, only instead of a "3" it's... whatever number.

I've been writing in 7/4 recently...
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Ninjew » Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:01 am UTC

I really love 8/8 when it's done right. I pretty much like something/8.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:18 am UTC

I've had 15/16 (4+4+4+3) and 15/8 (triplet feel) stuck in my head recently
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby SirMustapha » Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:44 pm UTC

Роберт wrote:I had never noticed quintuplets/pentuplets in music before, and had to use my google-fu to find the proper word and notation. (Bar the five notes together and right 5:4, indicating that all five notes are to be played in the time it normally takes to do four.)


First time I heard it being done was by Frank Zappa; there is a lot of it in Roxy & Elsewhere, particularly in Echidna's Arf (Of You).

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Euphonium » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:23 pm UTC

The 5/2 and 2/1 in Rimsky-Korsakov's Russian Easter Overture, while not terribly exotic, are quite inspired.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Magnanimous » Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:15 am UTC

My friends and I once tried to write a haiku-themed song in 17/4 broken into 5-7-5. It was kind of awkward for a while, but we eventually got it smoothed out.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby RabidDracoMukluk » Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:12 am UTC

Someone already mentioned it but "First Circle" by Pat Metheney is a great song. I loved both playing it and listening to it. "Rhythm Song" is a fun one in 7/4. "Cop Drama" has some weird time signatures, but is still fun to play -- one bar of 15/16, and a pretty long 12/4 section that was subdivided oddly (I don't recall exactly how, though.) Russian Easter Overture (also already mentioned) is also a really good piece -- the 5/2 and 1/1 parts were really dramatic (I think those are the right time signatures... It's been a while.) "Four Dance Episodes" has a really fun 4/4 section that's subdivided 3 3 2. (Sorry, I forget composer names... I can find them if anyone's really curious.)

In general, I love pieces with triplets. 6/8 and 12/8 are probably my favorites.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Midnight » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:10 am UTC

been writing a piece in 5. Gotta say, once you get into the weird feel of it, it's pretty damn fun.
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Halleck » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:51 pm UTC

Ever since marching around a field going 1 2 3 1 2 1 2 1 2. It's got to be 9/8. Larger letters being each step. Starting on your right foot. For you non-marchers just try to walk at that rhythm.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Midnight » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:06 pm UTC

If (nearly) every other step is larger, wouldn't you be walking in a circle?
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Halleck » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:43 pm UTC

Midnight wrote:If (nearly) every other step is larger, wouldn't you be walking in a circle?


Longer in time not larger in stride.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby ChocloManx » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:49 pm UTC

Midnight wrote:The best thing to do with odd meters is make them sound like they aren't odd meters. Gavin Harrison, the drummer for Porcupine Tree, is particularly good at this.


Also Dave Brubeck and Dave Holland. Huh, two Daves.
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Lime » Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:27 am UTC

Mostly I just like 4/4. I find that lots of time people use convoluted time signatures just for the sake of using them. Or use them when it would be easier to use 4/4. Or just write something that sounds really bad. Other than 4/4, 3/4 is a good time signature, it's easy enough to use that people haven't ruined for me. One time I wrote a jazzy song in 6/4, that was pretty fun. And in high school I remember a cool 5/4 song called Mars, it was intentionally foreign sounding.

Most other signatures just sound bad, or can be broken down into one of the more simpler ones, such as 12/8 into 6/4, or 6/8 into 3/4.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby CatsEye » Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:28 am UTC

Let's see someone work out Radiohead's 'Sail to the Moon' time sig...

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Midnight » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:59 am UTC

Y'know, I've heard people say it's like 7 then 5 then 4 then 6 etc, but it's all just a feel. I mean, I can play it, eh? I've never really had a problem. I mean, I guess that's the important thing with time signatures. Dream Theater does all the "HEY LOOK WE CAN PLAY IN 19!" stuff, but if I can play my way through the Mars Volta's "Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt" even with the crazy breaks, without thinking, then dass all I need.
Alternatively, I think of that song in 1/1 or whatever.
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:13 am UTC

Rimsky-Korsakov's Russian Easter Festival Overture uses sections in 2/1 and 3/1 at the end and a very slow (half = 52) 5/2 in the beginning
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby mickyj300x » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:49 am UTC

I like Eastern European dance times, like 11/8 (1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2) and 13/8 (1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2 1-2), but I reckon the best time signature is one that alternates, like 3/8 4/4 3/8... or does a Bartok/Stravinsky add-one take-one type variation.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:40 am UTC

I like 13/8 that's formatted like "America" from West Side Story with an extra eighth note on the end (3+3+2+2+3)
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Euphonium » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:57 pm UTC

cjmcjmcjmcjm wrote:Rimsky-Korsakov's Russian Easter Festival Overture uses sections in 2/1 and 3/1 at the end and a very slow (half = 52) 5/2 in the beginning


Way to read the thread.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:24 pm UTC

Euphonium wrote:
cjmcjmcjmcjm wrote:Rimsky-Korsakov's Russian Easter Festival Overture uses sections in 2/1 and 3/1 at the end and a very slow (half = 52) 5/2 in the beginning


Way to read the thread.

I was responding to the previous post about time signatures like 1/1
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby John Citizen » Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:06 am UTC

7/4 is interesting, but 13/4 (4+3+4+2) has to be my favourite time signature.
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Retne » Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:57 am UTC

I like 4/4 but I also like it when you from 4/4 to 5/4 then back to 4/4. It can add some great dynamics to the song without being too jarring. I usually like to use it for a drop or break in a song. For the most part though I'm lazy and just like working inside 4/4.

For listening I don't really care as long as it grooves. If it makes me feel like I missed a step on the stairs then chances are I wont enjoy the song. I know when I first started making music thinking about the time sig. made me feel constrained. When I actually set out and said I'm going to use [time sig. here] all the way through it produced extremely quantized, sterile, boring stuff.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:58 am UTC

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby JoeyJo0 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:28 am UTC

7/4
5/4
4/4

Those are mine, I can even improvise with those in mind :P
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Ptolom » Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:39 pm UTC

I love the staggered sound of (6/8)/(3/4) Takes a while to get used to keeping the 3/4 bars in time. 4/4 Probably deserves its prominant place though. It has a real drive to it.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Midnight » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:57 am UTC

Ptolom wrote:I love the staggered sound of (6/8)/(3/4) Takes a while to get used to keeping the 3/4 bars in time.

A... those are the same thing.

ONE two THREE four FIVE six = ONE and TWO and THREE and
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby ChocloManx » Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:09 am UTC

Midnight wrote:A... those are the same thing.

ONE two THREE four FIVE six = ONE and TWO and THREE and


They are of equal length, but 6/8 is actually ONE two three FOUR five six
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby ++$_ » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:22 am UTC

Classic alternation of 6/8 and 3/4: "America" from West Side Story.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby uma » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:37 pm UTC

The breakdown section (I suppose. You know the bit I mean) of 'Cygnus...Vismund Cygnus' by The Mars Volta is fun. It's not terribly complicated, as the overall pattern just repeats with no variation (9/8, 6/8, 4/4, I think, with my somewhat limited understanding of such things), but it has a nice groove to it, which I find is rare for an unusual rhythm.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Midnight » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:37 pm UTC

cjmcjmcjmcjm wrote:I like 13/8 that's formatted like "America" from West Side Story with an extra eighth note on the end (3+3+2+2+3)

++$_ wrote:Classic alternation of 6/8 and 3/4: "America" from West Side Story.


...you both can't be right. It's either 3+3+2+2+2 (6/8 + 3/4) or 3+3+2+2+3 (13/8)
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby ++$_ » Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:21 am UTC

read cjm x 4's post again. He is saying that if you add an extra 8th note to the end of each pair of bars, then it becomes 13/8. This is true.

Also, looking at the actual score (e.g. images.google.com "America west side story score") shows that it is written in 6/8 time throughout (presumably because having a time signature at the beginning of each bar would be really annoying), but every other bar is beamed as though it were 3/4.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby phlip » Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:47 am UTC

I've seen scores of America where there are time signatures for 6/4 and 3/2 both in the first bar, possibly with the 3/2 in parens, and then the alternating bars indicated with beaming.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby cjmcjmcjmcjm » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:36 pm UTC

Yesterday I saw a choral piece in 6/4. It was written by Thomas Tallis
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Alder » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:09 pm UTC

Lime wrote:Most other signatures just sound bad, or can be broken down into one of the more simpler ones, such as 12/8 into 6/4, or 6/8 into 3/4.

Ow! Music theory fail!
12/8 and 6/8 are compound time signatures. If you're going to 'break them down' into a simple time signature 12/8 becomes 4/4, and 6/8 becomes 2/4.

(If you want to hear the difference between 6/8 and 3/4 listen to this short piano piece which has alternating bars of 3/4 and 6/8.)
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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Lime » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:43 am UTC

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Lime wrote:Most other signatures just sound bad, or can be broken down into one of the more simpler ones, such as 12/8 into 6/4, or 6/8 into 3/4.

Ow! Music theory fail!
12/8 and 6/8 are compound time signatures. If you're going to 'break them down' into a simple time signature 12/8 becomes 4/4, and 6/8 becomes 2/4.

(If you want to hear the difference between 6/8 and 3/4 listen to this short piano piece which has alternating bars of 3/4 and 6/8.)

Sounds like it's all 3/4 or 6/8 I mean, sure musically speaking you want to put the piece into whatever time signature fits the strong beats and whatnot, but to the average listener, 3/4 and 6/8 sound identical. Even someone like me, who has a hobby in music and knows basic music theory would just think of that song as all in one time signature.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby achan1058 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:43 pm UTC

Lime wrote:Sounds like it's all 3/4 or 6/8 I mean, sure musically speaking you want to put the piece into whatever time signature fits the strong beats and whatnot, but to the average listener, 3/4 and 6/8 sound identical. Even someone like me, who has a hobby in music and knows basic music theory would just think of that song as all in one time signature.
If that's the case, then either:
a) The performance is subpar.
b) You have bad rhythm recognition.
I would say a bit of both, since the performance isn't so bad that you can't recognize the different at all, even if it isn't easy. While you shouldn't necessary know the difference between 3/4 and 6/8, you should be able to detect a change in stress between bars. Like, you should know something's different/special/does not sound all the same, even if you can't tell what/why/which method they use to do it.

Also, while you can indeed fit EVERYTHING into 4/4 (even the Sacrificial Dance of Rite of Spring, which someone has tried before), it generally is not a good idea, since will completely confuse the performers.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby Lime » Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:05 pm UTC

No, I could definitely tell that when he was doing the quarter notes he was in 3/4 and when he was doing eighths he was in 6/8, but the thing is, both of them have the same amount of note values. If you put 6 eighth notes inside a bar of 3/4, the bar is filled up properly. You can't argue against that.

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Re: Favorite Time Signatures

Postby achan1058 » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:32 am UTC

Lime wrote:No, I could definitely tell that when he was doing the quarter notes he was in 3/4 and when he was doing eighths he was in 6/8, but the thing is, both of them have the same amount of note values. If you put 6 eighth notes inside a bar of 3/4, the bar is filled up properly. You can't argue against that.
Yes, but this is as meaningful as redrawing the bar lines of Rite of Spring into 4/4's.


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