On the street to a random stranger: "You are so pretty. Will you marry me?" = not okay
On the street to a random stranger: "Will you go drink something / eat something with me?" = not okay
that's actually pretty close to how I got a girlfriend when I was in my teens.
though it's best to start with "hi" if it's a random stranger you meet in public rather than just starting with "marry me" cause that would freak anyone out.
believe it or not, hard as this may be for you to believe interactions along the lines of
*chatting for a little while*
"could I get your number"
"sure, it's <number>"
"nice meeting you, cya"
can actually be part of normal, enjoyable, healthy social interaction for strangers who meet in public places like on the street or many other places.
And that's why I did not give this (hi ... chat ... phone number) as an example for being hit on inappropriately.
or were you just attacking a strawman of people who actually walk up to random strangers on the street and ask to marry them?
These were verbatim quotes, just translated from German to English.
To make it really really clear so that you cannot again make up stuff, the conversations went like this:
Male stranger: Hi.
Female: Uh, hi.
Male stranger: You are so pretty. Will you marry me?
becaue if that was the only thing you were attacking then I totally agree, walking up to someone on the street and asking for their hand in marriage without even asking their name first is a huge social faux pas.
even asking someone if they want to go for lunch some time is generally better left until after some initial introductions and pleasentries rather than just blurting it out.
Exactly. You got it. So why do you keep on talking about appropriate situations when I list inappropriate ones?
Outchanter wrote:So ultimately, the problem is not so much the hitting on as the way the hitting on is done?
SURPRISE! Did you just read only the last post or what? Let me summarize the conversation we had before you came in.
... maybe women being hit on is a reason some quit stem ...
Some dude: Men hit on women, big deal.
Me: a) I don't think women quit stem b/c of being hit on.
b) Being hit on inappropriately *is* a big deal.
That dude: What does being hit on inappropriately even mean? Sexual assault?
Me: Examples for okay approaches, examples for inappropriate ones.
Monika wrote:Jewish Orthodox and Arabic Israelis are exempted ... or discriminated against, how ever you want to see it.
I don't think you can be discriminated against by NOT being forced to do something your religion disapproves of.
That applies to the Orthodox, but not to the Arabs. Sure, [some|many] are not interested in joining the Israeli army. But having been in the army is extremely important in Israel, it's the basis for the essentially all future careers. And they are not only not forced to join, they are not allowed. Some Israeli politicians have suggested also drafting Arabic Israelis ... but it's not really likely this will happen any time soon. What might happen soon: civil substitute services. So finally (non-Orthodox) Jewish Israelis will have the option for serving in a non-military way. Also this will allow the Orthodox to be drafted, as they can then pick the civil option.
Cultural differences would require me to look for a study in US classrooms.
Then look for one. Start by clicking on the links in Jessica's posting.
Regarding gender, the differences between the US and Germany are rather small.
I have seen no teachers interact differently during certain subjects than others in the five elementary schools I went to.
I didn't ever notice it either. The teachers in those classes believed it didn't happen. The student in the classes did not believe it. When the teachers aimed for 50:50, reached 40:60 the boys believed they were disadvantaged. I.e.: That you did not notice means nothing.
I don't think socializing is the sole factor in interests between the sexes.
How come Chinese male and female students do not get different results on US SAT math questions?