[T] Marvel vs Capcomafia - Game Over - Weiyaoli Wins w/ 90

[VectorZero]

Because he's either trying to pass off posting obvious strategy as content or discouraging the coptor from claiming D2; both of which are scummy.

[_infina_]

DEADLINE: NOON EDT (about 25.5 Hours)

[mpolo]

cjdrum has posted this slightly uncomfortable argument about endgame strategy. I don't see it as extremely scummy, but there might be something there.

Vector Zero has been very hard on this particular point. It doesn't seem to be a particularly scummy tactic, as he made the point and hasn't retreated from it when the rest of us didn't see it. I am thinking that this is an argument between two townies.

Of the two players who are left, Ibarra has been trying to calm the argument between cjdrum and VectorZero down. Weiyaoli has been less present. I didn't particularly like his "advice to the SK", but can see how that developed out of the material from last game, at least in theory.

Ranked in decreasing order of scumminess: weiyaoli = cjdrum > VectorZero > Ibrarra (I think). I really don't feel comfortable with a vote yet, though.

[weiyaoli]

I'm just not sure what else there is to comment on really. I agree with how cjdrum's suggestion was scummy, and don't really have anything new to contribute to that discussion beyond what VZ has stated already. I'm debating right now whether I think cjdrum's actions are worth a vote; I found his suggestion scummy, but not enough for him to be lynched over it. However, on balance, since I don't support a NL:

Vote: cjdrum

For I think the scummiest action today.

[_infina_]

I am busy now with the care of a family member. I will be looking for someone to finish up this round for you with some flavor, hopefully. Sorry about this.

[mpolo]

It looks like we're over deadline at this point, but it hasn't been "called" due to _infina's_ family business. I don't have a better target than cjdrum, so will just let that go through (a little half-heartedly, admittedly).

[Ibarra]

I'm not entirely convinced on the case on cjdrum.
He has been scummy though as VZ convinced me.
I'll wait until near the deadline (around 2 hours from now) though for any other developments.

Preview Ninja'd
mpolo, the deadline is still 2 hours 20 min from now.

[mpolo]

Went the wrong direction on my time zone calculation. Now it's past deadline, though.

[_infina_]

cjdrum is lynched. Night occurs, sun rises, no one else dies.

cjdrum was vanilla town.

[weiyaoli]

Well we didn't get any flavour to suggest whether the SK withheld his kill or there was a successful doctor. We should lynch if we get a successful doctor or successful cop (since everything will remain the same tomorrow in those cases, and it doesn't matter whether we lynch now or then) and NL for anything else.

So, any results?

[VectorZero]

You are assuming optimal play. I don't think a NL in this situation can hurt town and leaves the possibility for more information.

In any case, I have no results to report.

[Ibarra]

Nothing to report here also.
Incidentally, I think we should NL this day too.
Lynching at MY-LO is risky.

[mpolo]

Nothing to report. It would be nice to have at least some discussion, but I agree that lynching is pretty risky at this point.

[Ibarra]

Well since there's nothing to discuss apart from the fact that no one has anything to say.
Vote: NL

[VectorZero]

Yeah. Mildly suspicious of Wei for considering not NLing, but, yeah.

Vote: NL

[mpolo]

Vote: No Lynch

[_infina_]

Night comes, night goes, VectorZero is found dead.

VZ was The Doc.

[weiyaoli]

I guess that means that VZ either wasn't sure if he had successfully protected N1 (though imo this is unlikely since there would at least have been some discussion about this?) or he just didn't protect anybody? (That is the only way I can think of why he would give no results D2 after we had no kills N1)

[Ibarra]

I'm suspicious of weiyaoli for suggesting a lynch in MY-LO. Regardless of there being a result or not, lynching at MY-LO is not recommended at all. It's better if you let things simmer down first and lynch when there are only 2 suspects instead of 3.

[weiyaoli]

I'm suspicious of weiyaoli for suggesting a lynch in MY-LO. Regardless of there being a result or not, lynching at MY-LO is not recommended at all. It's better if you let things simmer down first and lynch when there are only 2 suspects instead of 3.

If you read my actual suggestion it was:

If we receive a scum result from a cop OR a successful protect with 4 players left which would both have left 2 suspects, I didn't feel we would gain any additional information by NL and then lynching.

[mpolo]

I think I'm agreeing with weiyaoli in this. If we have a definite scum result, it would be silly to nolynch, even at MyLo. However, in practice, the scum would probably also false-claim at that point, so we would be at a 50/50 scum-hit-chance.

I'm not overly pleased (yay, I can use m here) that VectorZero didn't share the narrowing-down that he produced by his presumptive protect on the first night. I guess he just thought that he was going to survive. But he theoretically knew with almost 100% certainty that one person was town (the one he protected, unless scum withheld the kill). It would be good to look at his Day 2 suspicions.

[Ibarra]

I'm not overly pleased (yay, I can use m here) that VectorZero didn't share the narrowing-down that he produced by his presumptive protect on the first night. I guess he just thought that he was going to survive. But he theoretically knew with almost 100% certainty that one person was town (the one he protected, unless scum withheld the kill). It would be good to look at his Day 2 suspicions.

Exactly. No one has been particularly scummy at this point, and the only one who could have given information on the kill was VZ. VZ said he suspected weiyaoli most, that would mean he protected either me or mpolo, and thought that among the ones he didn't protect, weiyaoli was scummiest. Remember that weiyaoli's comment also pinged him.

[weiyaoli]

The thing that strikes me the most though is the fact that VZ was gung-ho about not deciding what the PR should do and taking each day at a time and discussing that. Which really confuses me with his response of "no results", since I feel that if he did have a result he would have at least opened up discussion about that somehow. He clearly disagreed with cjdrum's plan/suggestion of not claiming until D3 which is why I feel he didn't protect anyone at all (therefore, no data to discuss) for whatever reason.

[Ibarra]

But if he protected no one, then taht means that the SK targeted no one too.
So you're saying that both the doctor and SK did nothing? I find that unlikely.

[weiyaoli]

But if he protected no one, then taht means that the SK targeted no one too.
So you're saying that both the doctor and SK did nothing? I find that unlikely.

What is unlikely about that event? I can see VZ forgetting to send in an action since he was busy and the SK withholding their kill.

[mpolo]

There are very thick mysteries here... I think that VZ is generally a conscientious player, and there is really no reason why a doctor in this setup wouldn't protect someone. Which means that I think he was just keeping his result to himself -- he may have thought that the SK had withheld his kill, so didn't want to expose himself, or he may have thought that he was better off waiting for certainty. In any case, it's lost information for us now.

[_infina_]

Deadline: 36 hours.

[Ibarra]

So we have no leads except for the fact that VZ was doctor and he suspected wei yesterday.
I'm going to trust his judgement on this.
Vote: weiyaoli

[mpolo]

I hate getting rushed on these things.... But the suspicion is as good as any. What do you have to say for yourself, weiyaoli?

[weiyaoli]

I hate getting rushed on these things.... But the suspicion is as good as any. What do you have to say for yourself, weiyaoli?

VZ's suspicion was based on my reasoning that if we received scum results/claimed successful protect we should probably lynch. I'm not sure how that translates to the only lead we have because of preferring not to NL when it wouldn't make a difference between Lynch and NL. I'm rather suspicious of Ibarra focusing on the fact that since VZ did not claim his protect target, and expressed (mild) suspicion of me that meant that I was the SK when it would have left VZ with two possibilities for the SK and he only had a mild suspicion.

I think I suspect Ibarra more than mpolo in this case:
Vote: Ibarra

[mpolo]

I guess I'm going to go with my gut feeling from Day 1. Which means that the game-deciding vote goes to:

Vote: Ibarra

[Ibarra]

SK wins then D:
Am I really that a bad town player? >.>

[_infina_]

Game over. SK wins due to killing mpolo in the night.

Weiyaoli gets pints for sk win. will calculate points and add them in.

[mpolo]

SK wins then D:
Am I really that a bad town player? >.>

It was more or less a coin-flip. Oh well.

[weiyaoli]

SK wins then D:
Am I really that a bad town player? >.>

No, it's just that I was playing as if I was vanilla town; in fact that's (partly) why I forgot to submit a kill N1.

[VectorZero]

Told you...

Had to be right about something eventually.

[_infina_]

Told you...

Had to be right about something eventually.

SPAAAACEEEEEE