[Micro] Lataro's PYP BASTARD NES - Game Over: weiyaoli wins!

[weiyaoli]

I guess so. I thought "PGO" when I first saw the result, but what bothered _e was the fact that I tracked who webby targeted and his action rather than the passive reaction kill to anyone who targeted webby and therefore he chose to use that power on GoP which didn't fit with what I re_e_bered of a PGO role.

I'll do a read through on D1 now and hopefully will have so_ething soon.

[webby]

I guess so. I thought "PGO" when I first saw the result, but what bothered _e was the fact that I tracked who webby targeted and his action rather than the passive reaction kill to anyone who targeted webby and therefore he chose to use that power on GoP which didn't fit with what I re_e_bered of a PGO role.

I'll do a read through on D1 now and hopefully will have so_ething soon.

Yeah, Lataro obviously has a slightly different interpretation of what counts as an action to what I would have.

I'll look to post a proper analysis when I find out what's happening with ore_people.

[mpolo]

The point that I was trying to drive in was that the powers that the other players have said that they own are "town" powers. There are not a lot of players in this exercise, so that a certain suspicion has to fall on those who don't have a known town power.

This does not mean that the others get off free (except perhaps webby), as town-bad guy distribution of powers is not an exact science. But the bulk of suspicion out of this corner would accrue to the other two: Ibarra and the larger quantity of people.

I apologize for being circuitous in speech -- I don't like using _ and nn and Ϻ when there's a challenge on.

Ninjaed by weiyaoli: It was a "reactive" night kill, but you're right that it's weird that a tracker would detect a PGO.

Ninjaed by webby: increased quantities of near-identical ideas

[Gopher of Pern]

It could be possible that it was detectable because webby got to choose?

[webby]

No, no choice, I believe that GoP was sinply the first person to target ne last night.

[more_people]

Yeah I'_ back, I also got the sa_e result as weiyaoli on webby as well, but if he is town then I guess that this "B" person is either scu_ or webby lyncher.

[Ibarra]

Yeah I'_ back, I also got the sa_e result as weiyaoli on webby as well, but if he is town then I guess that this "B" person is either scu_ or webby lyncher.

So you're claiming tracker too like wei?

[webby]

Yeah, that doesn't sound right. Two trackers in such a tiny gane? And I trust weiyaoli's clain because it's very specific info that wouldn't be known unless he's a tracker.

FOS: nore_people

And is there any reason absolutely everyone targeted ne last night?

[more_people]

Do you guys want _e to clai_ _y role because I will if it gets rid of any suspicion?

[mpolo]

As to why I targetted webby: it was wholly because of the winey flavorpost. I wanted to be sure. And since that investigation fell from heaven, I took advantage of it.

I would think that it is rather early in this recreational activity to start large quantities of indicating our roles and powers, but if the greater quantity of people thinks that it would help his case, I do not object to his providing us with additional data.

Curse you, posting restriction, and personal pride, which do not allow a certain player (the very player who is writing this, indeed) to use easy workarounds!

[mpolo]

EBWOP: Note that "the greater quantity of people" is singular and refers to a single player whose alias has been banned out of this recreational activity (together with that of this player who is writing).

That looks about as clear as very wet dirt. Sorry.

[Lataro]

The evil and chaotic forces stand back and watched the puny heroes bicker amongst themselves. He smiled with glee as one after another failed his test. With a snap of his fingers, "m" stirred. For indeed, "m" had not been slain, "m" had been a willing accomplice in the master's schemes.

You may use "m" freely again. You have all failed, either by breaking the spirit of the challenge, or in a single player's case, the letter of it. There is no punishment for this, only a lack of reward.

The point that I was trying to drive in was that the powers that the other players have said that they own are "town" powers. There are not a lot of players in this exercise, so that a certain suspicion has to fall on those who don't have a known town power.

This does not mean that the others get off free (except perhaps webby), as town-bad guy distribution of powers is not an exact science. But the bulk of suspicion out of this corner would accrue to the other two: Ibarra and the larger quantity of people.

I apologize for being circuitous in speech -- I don't like using _ and nn and Ϻ when there's a challenge on.

Ninjaed by weiyaoli: It was a "reactive" night kill, but you're right that it's weird that a tracker would detect a PGO.

Ninjaed by webby: increased quantities of near-identical ideas

No votes yet? Delightful.

Deadline at ~2PM EST Friday.

[Ibarra]

Well I can tell you this.
I can confirm that m_p is not a tracker.
My post earlier was to confirm that he wasn't mistaken.

I'm a copycat. I copy someone's ability per Day and get their power during the Night.
I can say that when I targeted m_p I received no Night Action whatsoever.

Vote: m_p

[mpolo]

And I was working so hard on that. Darn.

I have to look back and see how much I trust Ibarra now. I can imagine such a power being in the game, so…

[weiyaoli]

I have just been informed that I have lost my vote. I'm not sure if it's the result of a player action or mod punishment (although I don't think I broke any rules?) but anyway:

FoS: m_p

I very much doubt there are two town trackers in this game (if you are a tracker at all even).

[more_people]

FoS: Ibarra

I'm a town plumber. I choose Super Mario Bros. Once per night I can target a player and find out if they used a night action that night. I used my power on webby and got confirmed that he did use a power. I might not have gotten as much info as weiy but I can confirm that he used an action.

So I can only see two reasons as to why you didn't get a power:
1. You lied, you're not a copy-cat and you're trying to get me lynched.
2. You're telling the truth and someone either roleblocked you or protected me.

[webby]

Ibarra, can you be a bit clearer on what was said about more_people? Were you told that he didn't have a power, or just that you didn't get a power from him?

more_people's claim seems plausible, but it could be scum as well as town (in a more vanilla game, it would be a way for scum to find town power roles).

I don't think it's very likely that anyone in this game would have no power at all, but I guess it's possible that there are some powers that you can't copy. Or if a scum nightkill belongs to the team, rather than the individual, maybe you wouldn't be able to copy that. Although still, vanilla scum doesn't seem much more likely than vanilla town, so I don't know.

[mpolo]

It is pretty implausible that more_people would have no power at all, as it goes against the whole idea of PYP. But, as webby said, there is the possibility that m_p had an uncopiable power. More_people suggested that he might have been blocked. Ibarra might really be a copycat (protecting himself against rolecops by true-claiming), but is falsely reporting about more_people.

Webby's point that tracker roles could be either town or scum is reasonable -- although with everybody (presumably) having a power, is much less useful for both sides, and particularly for scum (since they know who town is). However, the role is not without utility for either side, so I could imagine it actually being there for both sides. I think it is unlikely that there are two townie versions and two scummy versions, though.

"Plumber" => tracker seems a bit of a stretch though… Was there a flavorful explanation of this?

[Ibarra]

Clarification.
I can pick someone during the day and get their power during the night.
I picked m_p yesterday and received no possible night action whatsoever.

Even if m_p was claiming to have checked if someone did an action, it is impossible since he doesn't have a Night Action as he claims.
If I were roleblocked, then I would think that the mod would tell me what kind of action I received, but it would just fail.
Unless of course, there's another role that nullified my ability, but my ability isn't a Night Action. (Day roleblocker?) That is highly unlikely though.

[Gopher of Pern]

I don't like either claim. It is unlikely that more_people has no copyable power, but I don't think their claimed power is plausible either. Going off of gut feeling I will

Vote: more_people

[more_people]

"Plumber" => tracker seems a bit of a stretch though… Was there a flavorful explanation of this?

Once per night, I can travel through the pipes to visit someone's house. If they are not home, they used a night action. I used my power on webby and I learned that he used a power which we know. Maybe my power isn't copiable because it is unique to my role.
I would vote Ibarra but it would probably seem like a OMGUS vote so I won't.

[webby]

Hmm, I don't know what to think. There's definitely something weird going on here, but I'm not sure what. I think that Ibarra and more_people are clearly the best lynch candidates. It's a plausible roleclaim from more_people, but I can't see why Ibarra would falseclaim against more_people like that, when surely if he's lying he'll be found out tomorrow. I also can't see how there could be any way that Ibarra would fail to steal more_people's power if he's telling the truth. It's unlikely there's a day roleblocker and there's absolutely no reason that more_people's power couldn't be taken. I don't buy his 'specific to my role' theory, because I reckon we all have abilities specific to our roles.

So I'm going to hop on this bandwagon.

Vote: more_people

[webby]

That's L-1, so maybe give a bit more time before hammering?

[Lataro]

Oh! Votes!

Votals:

more_people - 3 - (Ibarra, GoP, webby)

[more_people]

Well, seeing as I will must likely be lynched I ask for one thing.
I ask that someone cops me or I barra to confirm either of our roles before I die.

[Gopher of Pern]

I dunno. Your claim makes me even more certain. Webby's night action was a reactive one, so they were at home the entire time. Which means you would have found them there.

You are lying. I would vote you again if I could.

[more_people]

I dunno. Your claim makes me even more certain. Webby's night action was a reactive one, so they were at home the entire time. Which means you would have found them there.

Their action is still a night action.

You are lying. I would vote you again if I could.

I'm not lying. Even if you are a lie detector, you would now that if you used your power on me.

[mpolo]

On the one hand, we already have one claimed tracker who claims to have tracked webby's night action, which would indicate that the action is trackable. On the other hand, the flavor reason for Mario's power doesn't seem all that solid (since webby wouldn't have had to leave home to perform that action). We may just be arguing semantics here -- Lataro may have just "any action" and reactive actions are included in this. But more_people's claim seems to be the weakest up to now.

As there is time until deadline, I will not hammer. Maybe somebody can get some more information out of this.

[Ibarra]

I have nothing else to say except that to reiterate I received no notification that I could do a Night Action, and m_p claimed tracker.

[Lataro]

As the day waned, one of the heroes decided to seek advice from a wiser source, hoping to learn some vital piece of information before making the final decision. He sought out an audience with The Great Game Genie, and requested assistance for the rest of the heroes in determining the truth behind more_people. The Great Game Genie decided to answer this question, but being as wise as it is, it knew a direct answer was uncalled for...

10/85
No UNNUUN here
He will PAASNO
ZEVLEY turn and backflip cuz he's gonna STOPYP
So YXZLNY it's like AAATIO
He ain't no zero, for sure top hero.

[weiyaoli]

Hmm, doesn't seem to be anagrams (unless they were all mixed up), although possibly obscure video game terminology anagrams possible since either no results generated from anagram solver or gibberish.

Some sort of coding? Looking into this. The triples seem to rule out Caesarian shift, I can't recall any words beginning with a triple letter. 10/85 could be a clue/key?

Last line seems to suggest Megaman? (megaman zero) The back flips are something that Mario does, but it's not really the first thing you would think of.

[mpolo]

The oracle is on more_people. Now we just have to figure out what it means.

[mpolo]

EBWOP: I know that it is about him because I submitted the request…

[mpolo]

As the day waned, one of the heroes decided to seek advice from a wiser source, hoping to learn some vital piece of information before making the final decision. He sought out an audience with The Great Game Genie, and requested assistance for the rest of the heroes in determining the truth behind more_people. The Great Game Genie decided to answer this question, but being as wise as it is, it knew a direct answer was uncalled for...

10/85
No UNNUUN here
He will PAASNO
ZEVLEY turn and backflip cuz he's gonna STOPYP
So YXZLNY it's like AAATIO
He ain't no zero, for sure top hero.

I googled "game genie" YXZLNY and got a page about Super Mario Bros. ==> YXZLNY-Mario is fast
So now checking the others.
UNNUUN-Mario has difficulty jumping
PAASNO-Mario can stomp all enemies
ZEVLEY-jump a little higher
STOPYP-Come out of pipe in a cool way.
AAATIO-Only Mario can move.
[18/]10/85 is one of a few claimed release dates for the cartridge, according to the Talk page on Wikipedia

Which gives me a translation:
No difficulty jumping here
He will stomp all enemies
Jump a little higher turn and backflip cuz he's gonna come out of pipe in a cool way
Mario is so fast it's like only Mario can move
He ain't no zero, for sure top hero

The 3rd and 4th lines really sound like more_people was being truthful about his power, while the 6th could be read as confirming his towniness…

What do the rest of you think?

[webby]

I'm going to unvote for now so nobody can quickly hammer him.

Unvote

I don't know, 'Stomp all enemies' doesn't sound much like town? There's also the possibility that his role does indeed involve coming out of pipes in a cool way, just not in the way he claims it does. There also remains the question of why Ibarra didn't get his power.

But in general, it does lend support to his claim, so I'm going to have to have a re-think.

[more_people]

I told you. Why would I have lied about my role? Besides if I was scum.

[more_people]

I was rereading the thread to find help me with some analysis when I came across something that no one questioned:

Was it gang on Webby night? Obviously, I targeted Webby last night as well. Luckily, I am NK innnune, otherwise one of you guys would have taken the bullet. But yes, I agree that Webby is town.

GoP, I have two questions to ask you:
1) What action did you use on webby?
2) What game did you choose?
The reasons why I ask this is because I want to know what you did and why you have a NK immunity because kill immunities are anti-town powers.

[mpolo]

I've seen NK immunities for town before (for instance, in Lataro's Kingdom Hearts game, I was town and NK immune). But there is still something interesting there -- GoP is claiming night immunity as well as an active power. Which seems like a lot for one character.

[weiyaoli]

I don't understand why NK immunity is an anti-town power? Surely because of the fact that unless there is a vig/PGO, scum possess the NK and would therefore have no need for NK immunity?

[more_people]

I don't understand why NK immunity is an anti-town power? Surely because of the fact that unless there is a vig/PGO, scum possess the NK and would therefore have no need for NK immunity?

Well, from what I read of kill immunities, anti-town roles had them to ensure they had a better chance of winning if town was fairly powerful. And from the roles we have claimed so far, I would say town is very powerful.